The business you are talking about has sponsors. The sponsors are I imagine built around things other than ice hockey. The sponsors business is getting it's publicity from a business that is a sporting organisation that is a team sport that is the current Stanley cup champions. Now that team has had a large turnover in personnel & is not the same team. There is no guarantee that the organisation will win next year but is getting great publicity for being the champions & are probably well prepared to continue their relationship due to past results without expectation of winning again. The organisation & their sponsors (if they chose to promote themselves with the Hawks), are also receiving a lot of negative publicity due to the allegations against Kane. Now how the organisation manages what has occurred will also attract publicity, & if that is negative publicity the sponsors that do not rely on the sport may withdraw their money & sponsor a different organisation that may not be a sport. Tiger Woods is probably a good example of this.

A sponsor that wants positive publicity will support an organisation that has strong social ethics & good reputation over an organisation with questionable ethics that receive negative publicity with a 'try & win no matter what' attitude.

Apart from that just to elaborate, to be successful in business you don't have to win. To be successful in sport you do. A hockey organisation is a business & doesn't have to win to be a success. A good business reputation is easy to lose & a lot harder to gain.

Hence my comment business is not a sport.
- Aussiepenguin

Hockey wise Kane it's a dynamic player who makes everyone around him better just like the captain.

I agree with you no Kane no more cups. Remember ONE GOAL, if this in fact is their mantra they will swallow their indignation and keep Kane, unfortunately for the Hawks they are in a situation where they can't have their cake and eat it too.
- BetweenTheDots

Oilers won a Cup the year after trading Gretzky.

Different time, etc. - sure - but it can ge done.

Let´s dream big and what a heck..trade Kane, Anisimov, Morin and McNeill for Stamkos and Coburn!

Panarin-Toews-Hossa
Bickell-Stamkos-Dano
Versteeg-Teravainen-Shaw
Desjardins-Kruger-Tikhonov
Garbutt, Baun

Keith-Seabrook
Daley-Hjalmarsson
TVR-Coburn
Rundblad

Crawford
Darling

Just kidding

More about a cap issue, looking at things from a today perspective the cap has a high probability of going down after next year vs going up.

2 players at 10 million each is not a good situation to have.

The business you are talking about has sponsors. The sponsors are I imagine built around things other than ice hockey. The sponsors business is getting it's publicity from a business that is a sporting organisation that is a team sport that is the current Stanley cup champions. Now that team has had a large turnover in personnel & is not the same team. There is no guarantee that the organisation will win next year but is getting great publicity for being the champions & are probably well prepared to continue their relationship due to past results without expectation of winning again. The organisation & their sponsors (if they chose to promote themselves with the Hawks), are also receiving a lot of negative publicity due to the allegations against Kane. Now how the organisation manages what has occurred will also attract publicity, & if that is negative publicity the sponsors that do not rely on the sport may withdraw their money & sponsor a different organisation that may not be a sport. Tiger Woods is probably a good example of this.

A sponsor that wants positive publicity will support an organisation that has strong social ethics & good reputation over an organisation with questionable ethics that receive negative publicity with a 'try & win no matter what' attitude.

Apart from that just to elaborate, to be successful in business you don't have to win. To be successful in sport you do. A hockey organisation is a business & doesn't have to win to be a success. A good business reputation is easy to lose & a lot harder to gain.

Hence my comment business is not a sport.
- Aussiepenguin

Just like season ticket holders there is a waiting list for sponsors, the businesses know this, so if they make a knee jerk reaction they will lose their space and if nothing comes of this they will have to get back in line. Make it sound like businesses are ethical. Organizations please they are just worried about popular opinion and bottom line.

Not only do you troll the Kings on the Kings blogs but you come in here with a rediculous comment on the Hawks blog trolling Kings.

Number one this is a horrible comment.

Number 2 your hatred for the Kings shows and it's pathetic.
- KINGS67

Cut him some slack, when you are a fan one of the two teams to win 5 out of the last 6 cups you can pop off all you want......................

Oh wait...........................................

Oilers won a Cup the year after trading Gretzky.

Different time, etc. - sure - but it can ge done.
- StLBravesFan

And when they replace Kane with Stamkos next year, they'll win another 3!

From a keeping Kane standpoint I'll say this.

If he is cleared or at minimum they decide not to charge by Nov 1, by Feb 1, no one will care anymore and sponsors won't be running from the team.

Oilers won a Cup the year after trading Gretzky.

Different time, etc. - sure - but it can ge done.
- StLBravesFan

Cut him some slack, when you are a fan one of the two teams to win 5 out of the last 6 cups you can pop off all you want......................

Oh wait...........................................
- vabeachbear

Haha. Yeah.

The guy really is pathetic. Duck fans think he's annoying which is pretty sad

Oilers won a Cup the year after trading Gretzky.

Different time, etc. - sure - but it can ge done.
- StLBravesFan

If they do trade Kane, I hope you're right

One thing many are overlooking is this scenario. If I was a member of a three time cup winner and had to play with a guy like Kane I would be kind of embarrassed to be on the same team as him as Kane is relentlessly getting in some kind of trouble. The allegations are very serious and the image of the Hawks will always be tarnished by the actions of Pat Kane. Even if he is innocent there will always be doubt. Not to mention if I was Kane I would probably just quit the game, he is going to be the subject of abuse for the remainder of his nhl career.

i hope to god the jets dont trade for Crawford and in the process give up a top prospect!! we have Hellybuck and Comrie both coming up very soon!! dont need to spend all the money on crawford

One thing many are overlooking is this scenario. If I was a member of a three time cup winner and had to play with a guy like Kane I would be kind of embarrassed to be on the same team as him as Kane is relentlessly getting in some kind of trouble. The allegations are very serious and the image of the Hawks will always be tarnished by the actions of Pat Kane. Even if he is innocent there will always be doubt. Not to mention if I was Kane I would probably just quit the game, he is going to be the subject of abuse for the remainder of his nhl career.
- flyerdude17

Yeah, he's going to walk away from the game he loves and $80M at the age of 26 to go sell cars with his dad.

One thing many are overlooking is this scenario. If I was a member of a three time cup winner and had to play with a guy like Kane I would be kind of embarrassed to be on the same team as him as Kane is relentlessly getting in some kind of trouble. The allegations are very serious and the image of the Hawks will always be tarnished by the actions of Pat Kane. Even if he is innocent there will always be doubt. Not to mention if I was Kane I would probably just quit the game, he is going to be the subject of abuse for the remainder of his nhl career.
- flyerdude17

haha still upset about 2010?

But seriously...

You would just quit the game? C'mon man. Great example of thinking too hard on this one.

kane and kessel are similar players. kane is obviously better but he had an insanely better supporting cast. i wouldnt be surprised if kessel was more valuable now considering he costs almost 4M less than kane.

if kessel only got a top prospect forward, good prospect D and a late 1st, then kane won't get as much as you guys are thinking, especially when you factor in the baggage + extra 4M cap hit.

kane and kessel are similar players. kane is obviously better but he had an insanely better supporting cast. i wouldnt be surprised if kessel was more valuable now considering he costs almost 4M less than kane.

if kessel only got a top prospect forward, good prospect D and a late 1st, then kane won't get as much as you guys are thinking, especially when you factor in the baggage + extra 4M cap hit.
- sensnucksnocups

This!!!! Toronto got robbed in this trade unless Kapenen becomes Marian Hossa...Superstars are rarely traded because its near impossible to get equal value.... Now Add in a 10.5 million dollar cap and Kane's baggage... Assuming he's cleared (a huge assumption) Im sure they re is some organization out their like Phily that would offer a B Shenn and a 1st but also insist the Hawks take Lecalivier and Umberger with him.... Its August.... most teams cap situations are locked in for 15-16.....Either way Stamkos, Malkin, Benn, Seguin et as a return is not happening

As to your question about why Kane would have to go if he's going to straighten up and fly right. You can only threaten people with consequences of their actions so often, until you have to be a man (or woman) of your word and pull the trigger.
- flyler

Great point.

"For another player with baggage"?

It's got to be P Kane for E Kane.

Good guess?

- StargateSG1

Less baggage but E. Kane is sort of close in terms of his former team. I'll leave it at that.

Love all the support from other teams fans! Had no idea that there were so many experts out there on the value of Hockey Pat Kane and Party Pat Kane.
Great to know that you all have first hand knowledge of what your teams GM'S would give up for him.

No one is trading for Kane unless he's cleared, and if that happens I agree with you that there is a market for him and someone will give up some quality assets, but not fair value.
- Isles_since_6

We are in 100% agreement, you're right, if he's not cleared there would be no trade. If "cleared," then there would be a market—not fair value but something decent. And that's right away. Longer term if the Hawks decide to let things settle, he goes out and has a good season and they move him next summer, there would be a bigger demand.

Less baggage but E. Kane is sort of close in terms of his former team. I'll leave it at that.
- John Jaeckel

Byfuglien?

Sure, but some rumors have a lot more merit than others. If a source presents information that doesn't seem credible and doesn't have any independent source confirmation, then it is unreliable.
- jfkst1

The rumored Toronto deal was related to me by a source in Canada who everyone knows of and respects highly, and later verified (as far as conversations having taken pace) by a Hawk source.

Evidence suggests the initial offers were better and Bowman waited too long to pull the trigger, and many sources have said the same.

Byfuglien?
- camfor

I can neither confirm nor deny.

The business world of sports thrives on winning, putting fans in those seats and watching on TV, and buying into the post season success and the attention it receives.

Trading Kane would result in fewer wins and a weaker team. The business/brand/ability to sustain the dynasty(rarest opportunity if all of sports) would all take a major hit and fans would all be confused/frustrated/borderline angry. If Kane stays and the Hawks keep winning the sponsors will remain and the brand will stay in tact. Simple as that. The business will flourish if they stand by his side and continue to be the leagues best, most marketable, and most recognizable team.
- SimpleJack

Your logic crumbles right there.

What if the Hawks got back McDavid, or Daniel Sedin+ or any of a number of good to great players? Would they? Probably not, but your logic implies that there is no "Patrick Kane trade" that keeps the Hawks at par or possibly even improves them—and that is simply not true.

Patrick Kane is a great player. But he is not the only great player in the league and he is not the best player in the league. And there are combinations of players—many, many of them—that could equal the contribution of Patrick Kane.

And bottom line, while trading Kane is unthinkable to you and a few others, I am 99.9% sure that it is not right now to the people who matter most: the front office of the Chicago Blackhawks.