Yeah, as much as Hextall wants to lose Vinny, I don't think he wants a guy with multiple concussions, a longer deal and a cap hit of nearly 6 million coming back.
- BiggE

Could be wrong thought his cap hit was 4.35 million.

That being said he calls it a move to get us out of cap "jail" while upgrading our skill. Schenn 3.5 million is all we'd be losing. Skinner for Vinny would be a wash. Schenn on his own can garner a 2nd rounder. Second skinner by no means appears to be a hasktol guy. He likes to only play offense and doesn't like dirty areas.

Finally cousins a first and third rounder should be enough to get a very very solid player. But I don't see hextall with where this team is trading his first round for just about anything..one player won't make us contenders and hextall has by all appearances struck gold in all his first round picks.

Everyone is enamored with finding g and Jake a top talent left wing.. can't we just let raffl play.

Que raffl as top line winger debate.. ready go

Could be wrong thought his cap hit was 4.35 million.

That being said he calls it a move to get us out of cap "jail" while upgrading our skill. Schenn 3.5 million is all we'd be losing. Skinner for Vinny would be a wash. Schenn on his own can garner a 2nd rounder. Second skinner by no means appears to be a hasktol guy. He likes to only play offense and doesn't like dirty areas.

Finally cousins a first and third rounder should be enough to get a very very solid player. But I don't see hextall with where this team is trading his first round for just about anything..one player won't make us contenders and hextall has by all appearances struck gold in all his first round picks.

Everyone is enamored with finding g and Jake a top talent left wing.. can't we just let raffl play.

Que raffl as top line winger debate.. ready go
- Tfaehner

5.725 cap hit. I'd look elsewhere for that monies

5.725 cap hit. I'd look elsewhere for that monies
- Streit2ThePoint

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Make them gay!?!?
- jmatchett383

Could be wrong thought his cap hit was 4.35 million.

That being said he calls it a move to get us out of cap "jail" while upgrading our skill. Schenn 3.5 million is all we'd be losing. Skinner for Vinny would be a wash. Schenn on his own can garner a 2nd rounder. Second skinner by no means appears to be a hasktol guy. He likes to only play offense and doesn't like dirty areas.

Finally cousins a first and third rounder should be enough to get a very very solid player. But I don't see hextall with where this team is trading his first round for just about anything..one player won't make us contenders and hextall has by all appearances struck gold in all his first round picks.

Everyone is enamored with finding g and Jake a top talent left wing.. can't we just let raffl play.

Que raffl as top line winger debate.. ready go
- Tfaehner

Raffl is fine with Giroux and Voracek.

Trading your first when you are a bubble team at best, and the lottery is now for the first 3 picks, not just 1st overall, would be extremely foolish and risky. Unless you are getting a young, true impact player in the deal, you hold on to that pick.

No worries though, I don't think Hextall has any intention of moving any 1st or even 2nd rounders any time soon.

Raffl is fine with Giroux and Voracek.

Trading your first when you are a bubble team at best, and the lottery is now for the first 3 picks, not just 1st overall, would be extremely foolish and risky. Unless you are getting a young, true impact player in the deal, you hold on to that pick.

No worries though, I don't think Hextall has any intention of moving any 1st or even 2nd rounders any time soon.
- BiggE

Would you like it more if it was a conditional first? Condition is if Flyers are a lottery team, it's a 2nd?

Would you like it more if it was a conditional first? Condition is if Flyers are a lottery team, it's a 2nd?
- jmatchett383

Still don't like it. I have no interest in moving any high picks (firsts or seconds) or good prospects, and adding a guy with multiple concussions and a cap hit of nearly 6 million running through 2019.

Now if the deal was Vinny and L Schenn and just a 3rd straight up for Skinner, I'd do the deal.

Still don't like it. I have no interest in moving any high picks (firsts or seconds) or good prospects, and adding a guy with multiple concussions and a cap hit of nearly 6 million running through 2019.

Now if the deal was Vinny and L Schenn and just a 3rd straight up for Skinner, I'd do the deal.
- BiggE

It's his cap hit that kills it for me. If it was in the low 4's then I'd be interested. And as you said multiple concussions is a concern.

Anybody else see this?

http://thehockeypress.spo...-carolina-hurricanes.html

What do you think?
- arichardson22

Not taking a risk on Skinner, even if it does mean dumping Vinny. Can do a lot more with the other assets involved, including the cap space.

Still don't like it. I have no interest in moving any high picks (firsts or seconds) or good prospects, and adding a guy with multiple concussions and a cap hit of nearly 6 million running through 2019.

Now if the deal was Vinny and L Schenn and just a 3rd straight up for Skinner, I'd do the deal.
- BiggE

I didn't realize it ran until 2019.

Not taking a risk on Skinner, even if it does mean dumping Vinny. Can do a lot more with the other assets involved, including the cap space.
- Baxter27

There are very few deals I can think of where the Flyers dump Vinny and yet I still hate the deal. This is one of those deals. Terrible.

I didn't realize it ran until 2019.
- jmatchett383

If he gets hurt, you can always utilize LTIR, but I'm not comfortable giving up quality assets for a guy like that. It's a shame, before the concussions, he really looked like he had potential to be an impact player.

3>2
- rinaldo

yes, it is. as i've said. who cares.

Could be wrong thought his cap hit was 4.35 million.

That being said he calls it a move to get us out of cap "jail" while upgrading our skill. Schenn 3.5 million is all we'd be losing. Skinner for Vinny would be a wash. Schenn on his own can garner a 2nd rounder. Second skinner by no means appears to be a hasktol guy. He likes to only play offense and doesn't like dirty areas.

Finally cousins a first and third rounder should be enough to get a very very solid player. But I don't see hextall with where this team is trading his first round for just about anything..one player won't make us contenders and hextall has by all appearances struck gold in all his first round picks.

Everyone is enamored with finding g and Jake a top talent left wing.. can't we just let raffl play.

Que raffl as top line winger debate.. ready go
- Tfaehner

The Flyers would gain about 2.3M of cap space in the deal. In my view, I'd put Skinner on the 2nd line if the deal was made. The deal doesn't make sense in a lot of ways. I'd rather see what Gagner can do.

There are very few deals I can think of where the Flyers dump Vinny and yet I still hate the deal. This is one of those deals. Terrible.
- five4fighting10

I'd prefer to do something like Vinny and LSchenn to Carolina for a 4th. I'd even retain 50% of Schenn's contract.

If he gets hurt, you can always utilize LTIR, but I'm not comfortable giving up quality assets for a guy like that. It's a shame, before the concussions, he really looked like he had potential to be an impact player.
- BiggE

He was amazing his rookie year

yes, it is. as i've said. who cares.
- hammarby31

There are very few deals I can think of where the Flyers dump Vinny and yet I still hate the deal. This is one of those deals. Terrible.
- five4fighting10

Skinner could make the team that takes a chance on him look very smart. That being said, the Flyers are not in a position to be that team. They need to stay on the conservative path they're on.

Not taking a risk on Skinner, even if it does mean dumping Vinny. Can do a lot more with the other assets involved, including the cap space.
- Baxter27

vinny will be gone soon enough. no reason to ship those assets to expedite the process. i still think he can be a somewhat useful player here this season.

I'd prefer to do something like Vinny and LSchenn to Carolina for a 4th. I'd even retain 50% of Schenn's contract.
- Feanor

Flyers can do better than that.

He was amazing his rookie year
- Streit2ThePoint

Yup. He really struggled last year. Yeah, the 'Canes sucked, but he just didn't look like the same player anymore.

I'd prefer to do something like Vinny and LSchenn to Carolina for a 4th. I'd even retain 50% of Schenn's contract.
- Feanor

Gudas is Schenn.
Schenn is Gudas.
Gudas is a man.

Skinner could make the team that takes a chance on him look very smart. That being said, the Flyers are not in a position to be that team. They need to stay on the conservative path they're on.
- Baxter27

If he gets hurt, you can always utilize LTIR, but I'm not comfortable giving up quality assets for a guy like that. It's a shame, before the concussions, he really looked like he had potential to be an impact player.
- BiggE

I was intrigued by the deal until I got to the part about the 1st and the 3rd and then he lost me.

Gudas is Schenn.
Schenn is Gudas.
Gudas is a man.
- jmatchett383

If a Schenn falls in the forest, and there is no Gudas around, does anyone give a (frank)?