IS he an NHL player? Yes. SHOULD he be? (frank) no.
- benjichronic

He'll be a top six winger in Vegas in 2017

He'll be a top six winger in Vegas in 2017
- mayorofangrytown

That actually sounds pretty damn nice haha.

He'll be a top six winger in Vegas in 2017
- mayorofangrytown

Nah, it will be in Quebec

That one is highly questionable, at least to me
- ob18

He spends time on a NHL roster, just like John Scott. So yes, in the loosest possible sense of the term, he's a NHL player

He spends time on a NHL roster, just like John Scott. So yes, in the loosest possible sense of the term, he's a NHL player
- Jsaquella

So I still have hope to crack an NHL roster

So I still have hope to crack an NHL roster
- ob18

Sure. All you need is like, 15 more expansions and you're a shoo-in

He spends time on a NHL roster, just like John Scott. So yes, in the loosest possible sense of the term, he's a NHL player
- Jsaquella

and he won't be an NHL player for much longer, I would wager.

Sure. All you need is like, 15 more expansions and you're a shoo-in
- Jsaquella

Knowing my luck the expansion team will be located in Jackson Hole, Wyoming

and he won't be an NHL player for much longer, I would wager.
- Doc_Sarcasm

He's likely going to be a regular top 12 forward for the Boston Bruins.

If the pick Rinaldo was traded for ends up a nothing, like ~75% of third round picks (based on 100+ games played), it's still a good trade -- at the time and even in hindsight. As a lay person, I'd peg Rinaldo's value as being around a 5-6th round pick in a trade for an interested GM. Perhaps I'm off base, but to me, the value of a 3rd for a player like Rinaldo is a steal. If you were to extrapolate the argument to absurdity about trading a proven NHL player (to whatever degree he is proven) for an unproven draft pick, then a first round pick outside the top 10, which has around 65% of yielding a player who plays 100+ games is a bad trade too.

Sure, if the pick nabs a Ghost or Cousins or Friedman or Sandstrom, premature as our assessments of them are, we'd all be pretty pumped. Or a Benn or whomever unlikely gem you can bring up. The pick will most likely bust, but the idea behind stockpiling picks is knowing that they bust. If the player picked with that Rinaldo pick ends up a nothing, as long as Hextall follows that ideology through year after year of treating 2-4th picks as useful commodities, fruit will bear.

so who's going to be the scapegoat for the year?

Luke Schenn - 2:1
Mason - 3:1
Couturier - 3:1
Read - 8:1
Simmonds - 20:1



*** Vinny, RJ and Amac are 1:1...so can't bet on them

He's likely going to be a regular top 12 forward for the Boston Bruins.
- MJL

at the start of the season, anyway.

If the pick Rinaldo was traded for ends up a nothing, like ~75% of third round picks (based on 100+ games played), it's still a good trade -- at the time and even in hindsight. As a lay person, I'd peg Rinaldo's value as being around a 5-6th round pick in a trade for an interested GM. Perhaps I'm off base, but to me, the value of a 3rd for a player like Rinaldo is a steal. If you were to extrapolate the argument to absurdity about trading a proven NHL player (to whatever degree he is proven) for an unproven draft pick, then a first round pick outside the top 10, which has around 65% of yielding a player who plays 100+ games is a bad trade too.


- Mononoke

I think this comparison is absurd. We know how valuable a first round pick is. Also have to look at the quality of players that result from using a first round pick. A lot of first round picks go on to be top NHL players, possibly even star players such as Claude Giroux, who was chosen with the 22nd overall pick. Not only is the percentage of players that make it to the NHL significantly higher, so is the quality of the players much higher. Classic case of cherry picking one variable and making a poor comparison.
With a 3rd round pick, not only is the percentage of players that make it to the NHL much lower than a first round pick, so is the quality of player, as a whole significantly less.

Sure, if the pick nabs a Ghost or Cousins or Friedman or Sandstrom, premature as our assessments of them are, we'd all be pretty pumped. Or a Benn or whomever unlikely gem you can bring up. The pick will most likely bust, but the idea behind stockpiling picks is knowing that they bust. If the player picked with that Rinaldo pick ends up a nothing, as long as Hextall follows that ideology through year after year of treating 2-4th picks as useful commodities, fruit will bear.
- Mononoke

Maybe it will bear. You have to simply get lucky to nab a Benn, who was a 5th round pick. It's pretty obvious that the Stars had no idea how good the player they were picking in the 5th round would be, based on the fact that they drafted Nico Sarchetti, Sergei Korostin, Colton Sceviour, and Austin Smith before they chose Benn.
Talking about stockpiling picks in the hopes that you get lucky is a different conversation than looking at a specific deal of a specific player and looking at the value of that trade. I don't think it's a bad deal, because I don't feel Rinaldo, if you choose to move on from him, is worth more than that. It's fair value, but let's not pretend it was some great deal and we can't believe they got a 3rd round pick for him.

Is it me or is there a glaring lack of size with the forward prospects? I see the skill which is great but the lack of size i can't get over.
- Richard_wilderness

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...orward-Prospects/45/69878

If the pick Rinaldo was traded for ends up a nothing, like ~75% of third round picks (based on 100+ games played), it's still a good trade -- at the time and even in hindsight. As a lay person, I'd peg Rinaldo's value as being around a 5-6th round pick in a trade for an interested GM. Perhaps I'm off base, but to me, the value of a 3rd for a player like Rinaldo is a steal. If you were to extrapolate the argument to absurdity about trading a proven NHL player (to whatever degree he is proven) for an unproven draft pick, then a first round pick outside the top 10, which has around 65% of yielding a player who plays 100+ games is a bad trade too.

Sure, if the pick nabs a Ghost or Cousins or Friedman or Sandstrom, premature as our assessments of them are, we'd all be pretty pumped. Or a Benn or whomever unlikely gem you can bring up. The pick will most likely bust, but the idea behind stockpiling picks is knowing that they bust. If the player picked with that Rinaldo pick ends up a nothing, as long as Hextall follows that ideology through year after year of treating 2-4th picks as useful commodities, fruit will bear.
- Mononoke

Rinaldo is like winning $10 bucks on a scrath off. You don't keep $10. It's practically useless. You turn it in for another scratch off.

Rinaldo is like winning $10 bucks on a scrath off. You don't keep $10. It's practically useless. You turn it in for another scratch off.
- Duran76

I was being kind to Rinaldo, a player I have no fondness for in terms of on ice product. I'd do that trade every day of the week and then 36 times on Sunday.

IS he an NHL player? Yes. SHOULD he be? (frank) no.
- benjichronic

Agreed

So I still have hope to crack an NHL roster
- ob18

Bout the same chance I have as joining the Foo Fighters as their new guitarist/songwriter

so who's going to be the scapegoat for the year?

Luke Schenn - 2:1
Mason - 3:1
Couturier - 3:1
Read - 8:1
Simmonds - 20:1



*** Vinny, RJ and Amac are 1:1...so can't bet on them
- sarmen25

I raise you

Hasktol 15:1
Claude giroux even strength goals 20:1
The penalty kill 2:1

At least hasktol will be nhl networks guys to blame

Bout the same chance I have as joining the Foo Fighters as their new guitarist/songwriter
- BiggE

Now you are talking nonsense

I was being kind to Rinaldo, a player I have no fondness for in terms of on ice product. I'd do that trade every day of the week and then 36 times on Sunday.
- Mononoke

It's a fair trade for both sides.

I love that there was an adam ant sighting earlier

so who's going to be the scapegoat for the year?

Luke Schenn - 2:1
Mason - 3:1
Couturier - 3:1
Read - 8:1
Simmonds - 20:1



*** Vinny, RJ and Amac are 1:1...so can't bet on them
- sarmen25

Rinaldo 1.5:1

and he won't be an NHL player for much longer, I would wager.
- Doc_Sarcasm

He may well stick. Teams, at least some of them, value guys who can't play, but who can hit/fight. There's still some teams that feel a guy like that is necessary. Fortunately, most teams seem to be getting away from that, and the Flyers profited from it.

They got a third rounder for a guy whose quality of play is often found in cheap free agents, like Ryan White or Brian Gibbons-and I feel both White and Gibbons are better players than Rinaldo.

It's actually a fact, that's really not debatable. One may have an opinion that he shouldn't be, but he is.
- MJL

He's likely going to be a regular top 12 forward for the Boston Bruins.
- MJL