Apparently anyone who thinks he did good when he first came here and finished poorly for an overall grade of "passable, but definitely not great" is a loyalist.


Booner loves spinning things just as much as he accuses others of doing the same.
- Nucker101

You guys even have a secret handshake.

So, what you're saying is if the Canucks can manage to suck badly this year and get a top 3 pick, and manage an extra first rounder and maybe a high second by trading, say, Hamhuis and Vrbata, and then suck again the following season, pick high again and acquire extra 1st/2nd picks by trading Miller's expiring contract and Burrows...
- 1970vintage

Keep going , Im listening

TB and CHI did pretty well without a Prust or Dorsett playing 10+ minutes a night.
- Nucker101

Don't kid yourself or anyone else on here, Tampa had their own version of Dorsett and Prust in the form of bottom six guys like Morrow, Paquette and Boyle.

And regarding your comment about relying on mid 1st round picks, Tampa has guys like Killorn 3rd round, Palat 7th round and Kucherov 2nd round as guys they heavily relied on to win.

Speaking of which, when is the pool draft and what's the order?

So, what you're saying is if the Canucks can manage to suck badly this year and get a top 3 pick, and manage an extra first rounder and maybe a high second by trading, say, Hamhuis and Vrbata, and then suck again the following season, pick high again and acquire extra 1st/2nd picks by trading Miller's expiring contract and Burrows...
- 1970vintage

I'm saying they've got some building blocks already and they're most likely going to get some more when the twins are done and when they trade some old butts. The ten years Oilers model is not going to be needed!!!

You guys even have a secret handshake.

- boonerbuck

Keep going , Im listening
- VANTEL

I'm saying they've got some building blocks already and they're most like going to get some more when the twins are done and when they trade some old butts. The ten years Oilers model is not going to be needed!!!
- LeftCoaster

They could have some great assets if they moved them


Plus the top 4 pick they would get next year and the one after

They could have some great assets if they moved them


Plus the top 4 pick they would get next year and the one after
- VANTEL

Are you picking first overall in the hockey pool? I think we should re-draft every year, makes it more fun.

Are you picking first overall in the hockey pool? I think we should re-draft every year, makes it more fun.
- LeftCoaster

I traded the first for Nyquist and I forget

I traded the first for Nyquist and I forget
- VANTEL

Good lets re-draft from scratch

TB and CHI did pretty well without a Prust or Dorsett playing 10+ minutes a night.
- Nucker101

When I look at the Hawks... I see their sheer amount of firepower and having Kieth being able to play high level hockey 35 minutes a night making all kinds of Canucks players expendable if they were there.... most notably Kennins.

When I look at the Hawks... I see their sheer amount of firepower and having Kieth being able to play high level hockey 35 minutes a night making all kinds of Canucks players expendable if they were there.... most notably Kennins.

- boonerbuck

You just can't win unless you've got "that guy" on the back end

You know, I was looking at Buffalo's situation and they really haven't been bad for very long. Four years ago they picked 12th overall, which isn't terrible, plus they picked up another 1st that year by trading Gaustad.

Three years ago they picked 8th overall, definitely sliding downward, and again picked up another 1st by trading Pominville. So twice they traded vets for later 1st round picks.

Then they've had two tank years in 2014 & 2015, where they picked Reinhart and Eichel and are now on their way to respectability. Acquiring a 1st for Ryan Miller helped them get their hands on Evander Kane and Bogosian, along with previously drafting Tyler Myers.

So truthfully they look to be turning it around in about three years. They're not there by any means but I like what they've built thus far.
- LeftCoaster

You sound like you don't think that they'll be bad this season but I'm not convinced. And even if they aren't, I absolutely hated the way they went about it. It was so bad that I was happy that Edmoton got first overall instead of them, which is a crazy filthy thought.

You are jumping pretty far ahead of what I mean. They don't prevent all the incidents... they don't respond to all the incidents... naturally. It's is amazing how many former hockey players coaching and managing would disagree with you about on ice intimidation and the potential to having to answer for ethics though... they all seem to hold much higher value in the idea than you.

I also think that it's harder to intimidate players like Prust and Dorsett in tough match ups. Too early to tell on Kennins because he is pretty young but will he start to shy away at times like he did last season?

I stand behind my opinion that Kennins does not make them expendable yet. Prust is gone after this season I imagine. Kennins should still be here to fill that spot.
- boonerbuck

It all depends on how he performs, my comment was I see him just as likely as making a bottom 6 player expendable as our expectations that Baertschi/Horvat/Vey have made Matthais/Richardson/Kassian etc expendable.

Prust and Dorsett likely don't get intimidated, i just don't buy that they are useful at winning games because they fight. It is entertaining and can be rewarding at times but as much as I enjoy watching a good hockey fight, very rarely do I think it contributes in the win column.

Guys that make big hits are way more impactful and intimidating than the guys who square off in generally staged fights. I would agree that teams with noted fighters like Lucic can get away with more cheap shots because the other team might be afraid to go after them. But Prust or Dorsett are not going to scare Lucic off from spearing someone, he will do that then beat the poop out of whoever comes after him.

You just can't win unless you've got "that guy" on the back end
- LeftCoaster

We could draft him with our top 4 pick

Apparently anyone who thinks he did good when he first came here and finished poorly for an overall grade of "passable, but definitely not great" is a loyalist.


Booner loves spinning things just as much as he accuses others of doing the same.
- Nucker101

He was good in the beginning but brutal at the end. Even the contracts he gave out in the last couple of years were garbage. I'd rate him below average overall.

You absolutely lose points for creepy inexplicable facial hair.

You sound like you don't think that they'll be bad this season but I'm not convinced. And even if they aren't, I absolutely hated the way they went about it. It was so bad that I was happy that Edmoton got first overall instead of them, which is a crazy filthy thought.
- CubanBuffet

Anyone would be happy to take Eichel as their consolation prize

Anyone would be happy to take Eichel as their consolation prize
- VANTEL

Except Buffalo, evidently.

You sound like you don't think that they'll be bad this season but I'm not convinced. And even if they aren't, I absolutely hated the way they went about it. It was so bad that I was happy that Edmoton got first overall instead of them, which is a crazy filthy thought.
- CubanBuffet

Oh I agree it was embarrassing how they conducted business this year, and I'm glad the Oiler won the draft as well. I'm just saying that you don't need to suck for ten years to turn things around, it can be done much quicker.

And yes I think they'll be better than last year, I think that's fairly obvious, because unlike last year, they won't be "trying" to lose this year. Plus they've added good NHL'ers in Kane, Bogosian and O'Rielly and the additions of Reinhart and Eichel.

Except Buffalo, evidently.
- CubanBuffet

Yeah that was priceless

He was good in the beginning but brutal at the end. Even the contracts he gave out in the last couple of years were garbage. I'd rate him below average overall.

You absolutely lose points for creepy inexplicable facial hair.
- CubanBuffet

Anyone would be happy to take Eichel as their consolation prize
- VANTEL

Kids gonna be good, and Tim Murray is another guy, like Jim Benning, who's good at his job but shouldn't be allowed to talk to the media.

It all depends on how he performs, my comment was I see him just as likely as making a bottom 6 player expendable as our expectations that Baertschi/Horvat/Vey have made Matthais/Richardson/Kassian etc expendable.

Prust and Dorsett likely don't get intimidated, i just don't buy that they are useful at winning games because they fight. It is entertaining and can be rewarding at times but as much as I enjoy watching a good hockey fight, very rarely do I think it contributes in the win column.

Guys that make big hits are way more impactful and intimidating than the guys who square off in generally staged fights. I would agree that teams with noted fighters like Lucic can get away with more cheap shots because the other team might be afraid to go after them. But Prust or Dorsett are not going to scare Lucic off from spearing someone, he will do that then beat the poop out of whoever comes after him.
- belcherbd

You are arguing the very far end of the scale. Many of the weasels who do get intimidated may think twice... I really don't anywhere see me putting up an argument how Prust and Dorsett are going to keep the biggest goons in hockey honest... lets try and keep in perspective.

Just like nuckers comments about the Hawks and Bolts doing fine without these players. I'm sorry nucker... but I don't think we are in a position to stack the team for a cup run right now. The Canucks make up is going to be nothing like the Hawks or Bolts for years to come(hopefully one day)... there is a need for different roles right now. Poor comparison. Although if you said we can still suck and draft higher without them... I could agree.

Kids gonna be good, and Tim Murray is another guy, like Jim Benning, who's good at his job but shouldn't be allowed to talk to the media.
- LeftCoaster

I don't think he's good at his job but I could be wrong. It's hard to really judge a guy that has been trying to lose. He's done well (I guess) at dismantling his team at the TDL and getting decent returns. And Kane might work out for them, but man, how do you give up on someone like Myers. A guy like Evander Kane, while not exactly a dime a dozen, is al least more common then say, a unicorn. But if Myers figures it all out, a number one defencemen who's as big as a house. That's so rare. They could end up really kicking themselves over that one.


Edit: anyone remember who traded Chara to Boston?

Much like Jim Benning, time will tell if Murray's made the right moves or not. I, for one, happen to like what he's done in a short period of time with the additions of Lehner, Kane, O'Rielly and Bogosian.

I think he may have overpaid for what he wanted, but whatever, it wasn't huge overpayments IMO.