I don't think he's good at his job but I could be wrong. It's hard to really judge a guy that has been trying to lose. He's done well (I guess) at dismantling his team at the TDL and getting decent returns. And Kane might work out for them, but man, how do you give up on someone like Myers. A guy like Evander Kane, while not exactly a dime a dozen, is al least more common then say, a unicorn. But if Myers figures it all out, a number one defencemen who's as big as a house. That's so rare. They could end up really kicking themselves over that one.


Edit: anyone remember who traded Chara to Boston?
- CubanBuffet

Signed as a UFA when Ottawa decided to sign Wade Redden instead of Chara.

I don't think he's good at his job but I could be wrong. It's hard to really judge a guy that has been trying to lose. He's done well (I guess) at dismantling his team at the TDL and getting decent returns. And Kane might work out for them, but man, how do you give up on someone like Myers. A guy like Evander Kane, while not exactly a dime a dozen, is al least more common then say, a unicorn. But if Myers figures it all out, a number one defencemen who's as big as a house. That's so rare. They could end up really kicking themselves over that one.


Edit: anyone remember who traded Chara to Boston?
- CubanBuffet

Ottawa?

Oh I agree it was embarrassing how they conducted business this year, and I'm glad the Oiler won the draft as well. I'm just saying that you don't need to suck for ten years to turn things around, it can be done much quicker.

And yes I think they'll be better than last year, I think that's fairly obvious, because unlike last year, they won't be "trying" to lose this year. Plus they've added good NHL'ers in Kane, Bogosian and O'Rielly and the additions of Reinhart and Eichel.
- LeftCoaster

Absolutely they'll be better, but they could be 100x better and still be pretty awful. They set a new standard of suck.

Signed as a UFA when Ottawa decided to sign Wade Redden instead of Chara.
- LeftCoaster

I thought Ottawa traded him. They just let him walk? Jesus. That's gross. Any idea who the gm was? He must be mocked.

Absolutely they'll be better, but they could be 100x better and still be pretty awful. They set a new standard of suck.
- CubanBuffet

No one can match the Penguins level of suckage when they got Mario!!

I thought Ottawa traded him. They just let him walk? Jesus. That's gross. Any idea who the gm was? He must be mocked.
- CubanBuffet

Murray?

I don't think he's good at his job but I could be wrong. It's hard to really judge a guy that has been trying to lose. He's done well (I guess) at dismantling his team at the TDL and getting decent returns. And Kane might work out for them, but man, how do you give up on someone like Myers. A guy like Evander Kane, while not exactly a dime a dozen, is al least more common then say, a unicorn. But if Myers figures it all out, a number one defencemen who's as big as a house. That's so rare. They could end up really kicking themselves over that one.


Edit: anyone remember who traded Chara to Boston?
- CubanBuffet

Ottawa

I thought Ottawa traded him. They just let him walk? Jesus. That's gross. Any idea who the gm was? He must be mocked.
- CubanBuffet

Bryan Murray was, although team finances if I remember correctly wouldn't allow them to sign both and they obviously chose wrong. But yes, Chara just walked for nothing.

Bryan Murray was, although team finances if I remember correctly wouldn't allow them to sign both and they obviously chose wrong.
- LeftCoaster

Sounds right. One the NHLs worst decisions

Kids gonna be good, and Tim Murray is another guy, like Jim Benning, who's good at his job but shouldn't be allowed to talk to the media.
- LeftCoaster

It's sad how much tv/radio interview quality influences how much respect someone gets. I don't at all care about that... I'm listening to the info.

One of the reasons I started losing respect for Gillis was how he was so revealing in what kind of scumbag he was in his interviews. He was always ready to play a scapegoat card when he got himself in a controversial situation... saying stuff that most GM's would avoid to cover his ass. Always uptight at people in his interviews about stuff thats not even being discussed at that moment like the 10 minutes of airtime was about him being butthurt, not the Canucks...

... I swear a bunch of people turned on Gillis over the embarrassing eye bags more than the arrogant ahole that he really was and the downward spiral he could not control...

No one can match the Penguins level of suckage when they got Mario!!
- LeftCoaster

Before my time. People get almost awestruck when they talk about it though so it must have been pretty epic.

It's sad how much tv/radio interview quality influences how much respect someone gets. I don't at all care about that... I'm listening to the info.

One of the reasons I started losing respect for Gillis was how he was so revealing in what kind of scumbag he was in his interviews. He was always ready to play a scapegoat card when he got himself in a controversial situation... saying stuff that most GM's would avoid to cover his ass. Always uptight at people in his interviews about stuff thats not even being discussed at that moment like the 10 minutes of airtime was about him being butthurt, not the Canucks...

... I swear a bunch of people turned on Gillis over the embarrassing eye bags more than the arrogant ahole that he really was and the downward spiral he could not control...

- boonerbuck

ya I get what you mean, but if you really don't like someone because of the fluffy stuff, you're probably not looking hard enough.

As I've just stated, I like both Tim Murray and Jim Benning (thus far) for what they've done for their teams. Both will build winners IMO.

That said, I stand by my opinion that they should refrain from talking to the media because they sound like knuckleheads with some of the poop that comes outta their mouths

It's sad how much tv/radio interview quality influences how much respect someone gets. I don't at all care about that... I'm listening to the info.

One of the reasons I started losing respect for Gillis was how he was so revealing in what kind of scumbag he was in his interviews. He was always ready to play a scapegoat card when he got himself in a controversial situation... saying stuff that most GM's would avoid to cover his ass. Always uptight at people in his interviews about stuff thats not even being discussed at that moment like the 10 minutes of airtime was about him being butthurt, not the Canucks...

... I swear a bunch of people turned on Gillis over the embarrassing eye bags more than the arrogant ahole that he really was and the downward spiral he could not control...

- boonerbuck

I remember after he drafted Horvat he gave an interview to defend the move. He said something about how opposing gms were telling him what a good pick it was, as if that somehow justified it, or that it needed to be justified. That's when I wrote him off. Who cares what other gms think, unless they want to trade for him. You made the move, so own it.

I remember after he drafted Horvat he gave an interview to defend the move. He said something about how opposing gms were telling him what a good pick it was, as if that somehow justified it, or that it needed to be justified. That's when I wrote him off. Who cares what other gms think, unless they want to trade for him. You made the move, so own it.
- CubanBuffet

Ya, he made an easy target of himself. His reactions only gave a sense of importance to people like Dave Pratt who then made it an agenda to better their ratings.

I remember after he drafted Horvat he gave an interview to defend the move. He said something about how opposing gms were telling him what a good pick it was, as if that somehow justified it, or that it needed to be justified. That's when I wrote him off. Who cares what other gms think, unless they want to trade for him. You made the move, so own it.
- CubanBuffet

Not only was he a terrible GM in the last few years, good before that adding to the core in their prime, he was such a douchebag arrogant bumhole with the people skills of a dead salmon.

You are arguing the very far end of the scale. Many of the weasels who do get intimidated may think twice... I really don't anywhere see me putting up an argument how Prust and Dorsett are going to keep the biggest goons in hockey honest... lets try and keep in perspective.

Just like nuckers comments about the Hawks and Bolts doing fine without these players. I'm sorry nucker... but I don't think we are in a position to stack the team for a cup run right now. The Canucks make up is going to be nothing like the Hawks or Bolts for years to come(hopefully one day)... there is a need for different roles right now. Poor comparison. Although if you said we can still suck and draft higher without them... I could agree.
- boonerbuck

Maybe I haven't been clear, what I'm saying is having guys who are willing to fight don't intimidate the weasels from taking cheap shots, because there is no incentive for them to fight.
They don't intimidate other teams skill players because once again they won't fight.
They can only intimidate other players who are willing to fight and then only if they are bigger/meaner/better fighters than the other guy.

The idea that having fighters on the team makes it better at winning is flawed, as is the idea that having fighters forces other players to pay for crossing the line or is some form of deterrent to cheap shots.

They do make it more entertaining though, which wouldn't surprise me if that was important for a mgmt group that knows that it's team will likely be getting worse before it gets better.

Not only was he a terrible GM in the last few years, good before that adding to the core in their prime, he was such a douchebag arrogant bumhole with the people skills of a dead salmon.
- LeftCoaster

I still think he was classless when he asked Moj if he was the fat bald reporter hanging around the free food table for the media lounge at Canucks games. Moj asked him what's his point.

Moj laughed on his grave when he got canned and said he was a classless jackass that deserved to be let go.

Angus Reid had an interesting take on the Canucks this morning on the 1040 as did Brad Fey. They think the Canucks will be boring this year.

I have to agree , this lineup is less than inspiring , and I am not referring to the new players
- VANTEL

You're falling into the media trap.

I still think he was classless when he asked Moj if he was the fat bald reporter hanging around the free food table for the media lounge at Canucks games. Moj asked him what's his point.

Moj laughed on his grave when he got canned and said he was a classless jackass that deserved to be let go.
- VANTEL

Ya that was totally classless by him. He became so arrogant it was intolerable. If one of my bosses was that outwardly arrogant, they wouldn't have a job for very long.

You're falling into the media trap.
- thundachunk

Not at all. I was thinking at the start of Free Agency that this is going to be painful to watch this year. I was well ahead of the media as usual

Ya that was totally classless by him. He became so arrogant it was intolerable. If one of my bosses was that outwardly arrogant, they wouldn't have a job for very long.
- LeftCoaster

Bullying . Same as Burkie

Maybe I haven't been clear, what I'm saying is having guys who are willing to fight don't intimidate the weasels from taking cheap shots, because there is no incentive for them to fight.
They don't intimidate other teams skill players because once again they won't fight.
They can only intimidate other players who are willing to fight and then only if they are bigger/meaner/better fighters than the other guy.

The idea that having fighters on the team makes it better at winning is flawed, as is the idea that having fighters forces other players to pay for crossing the line or is some form of deterrent to cheap shots.

They do make it more entertaining though, which wouldn't surprise me if that was important for a mgmt group that knows that it's team will likely be getting worse before it gets better.
- belcherbd

Maybe the Canucks are not making themselves clear. They are not trying to win right now in spite of the PR they dish out. Dorsett and Prust have a role with the young players we are bringing up through the bottom 6 that is getting younger by the month. No we don't need Dorsett and Prust to win in the playoffs. Not for the reason that you keep explaining but because we are going in the opposite direction.

Kennins replacing one of them doesnt win us a playoff round either. We would have cap space to sign a player I guess... who also wont win us a cup.

I really don't know why you keep telling me how we don't win because of these guys. You don't have to be clearer... we are not winning anyways. By the time we are pushing for playoff success... it will be Dorsett and Prust who?

With that being said, I agree with vantel who said we are probably a better playoffs team now ... if we make it. Prust would have been useful at the very least last playoffs.

Not at all. I was thinking at the start of Free Agency that this is going to be painful to watch this year. I was well ahead of the media as usual
- VANTEL

I don't know. I mean they're probably a bubble team at best, but I'm not ready to forcast the season yet. I thought last year was going to be painful and they ended up surprising me. I want the cup but for now I'm just looking to be entertained. If they can do that I won't complain. Much.

Unless his skating greatly improves, he'll never be trusted at the NHL level in terms of being able to play a 200 foot game. Centers have to skate twice as much as wingers and if you can't get there, you can't do your job.

Kids got great hockey IQ, hopefully he's had a good summer of training!!
- LeftCoaster

Gaunce drives the net so well as a wi her, its almost a shame to make him back into a center

I don't know. I mean they're probably a bubble team at best, but I'm not ready to forcast the season yet. I thought last year was going to be painful and they ended up surprising me. I want the cup but for now I'm just looking to be entertained. If they can do that I won't complain. Much.
- CubanBuffet

I am not complaining. This is the calm before the storm. I don't expect much so it would be pretty hard to disappoint me.