Yea. I think defense wins championships and McDonagh is a top 10 defenseman in the league to me. There aren't many players I'd deal McDonagh for.
- rangerdanger94

Hall has produced some solid numbers on a poopty team. I like McDonagh, but I think Hall is higher end. Him and mcdavid should be scary good.

Really? Maybe we are both Homers, but no way I make that deal.
- doon

I love the way Hall plays but I would go with McDonagh as well.

I love the way Hall plays but I would go with McDonagh as well.
- Snowblind

Fair enough, but I think that until the Oilers start winning Hall will be underated

Hall has produced some solid numbers on a poopty team. I like McDonagh, but I think Hall is higher end. Him and mcdavid should be scary good.
- doon

A lot of players produce good numbers on poopty teams.

Hall's a hell of a player. Top 5 in his position. He might be higher end in the sense that he's top 5 and McDonagh's "only" top 10, but I still wouldn't deal McDonagh for him. The way the Rangers are constructed, McDonagh has more value to us than Hall IMO. He's our captain, he succeeds year over year shutting down division rivals such as Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Giroux, and has an amazing contract.

Hall is great though. I think the value is fair I just wouldn't do it.

A lot of players produce good numbers on poopty teams.

Hall's a hell of a player. Top 5 in his position. He might be higher end in the sense that he's top 5 and McDonagh's "only" top 10, but I still wouldn't deal McDonagh for him. The way the Rangers are constructed, McDonagh has more value to us than Hall IMO. He's our captain, he succeeds year over year shutting down division rivals such as Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Giroux, and has an amazing contract. Fair enough, no deal here

Hall is great though. I think the value is fair I just wouldn't do it.
- rangerdanger94

- doon

Not laughing at you, just no deal I guess

Not laughing at you, just no deal I guess
- doon

I was about to FLEX ON YOU SON

Pulock had almost as many goals (17) as Reinhart had points (22) on Bridgeport last season.

Reinhart has looked terrible. Bad skater; doesn't use his size. Has no instincts/feel for the game (which is odd considering he comes from a pro hockey family); was never a big point producer on any level. I thought that long before the Isles dealt him.
- Snowblind

I appreciate the perspective as I haven't had a chance to catch any of his AHL games and he seemed overwhelmed in the game I saw him play in the NHL so it's possibly founded. That having been said, I think people's concerns on the player are a touch overblown. Sure he's no screaming hell, but he looks at least as good a skater as Smid was when he was in our top-4. Add to that how fluid skating development can be, I'm not worried.

Second, as much as is made of his production, he scored 22 points as an AHL rookie while playing top-4 minutes (by accounts of bloggers who watch AHL games) on a less than stellar team. Seems fine by my eye.

Stats certainly don't tell the whole picture, but to suggest something like "he has bust written all over him" is FAR too early to justify. Personally, I would've preferred keeping the picks and grabbing Barzal and someone else, but there's still intrigue in the trade.

I appreciate the perspective as I haven't had a chance to catch any of his AHL games and he seemed overwhelmed in the game I saw him play in the NHL so it's possibly founded. That having been said, I think people's concerns on the player are a touch overblown. Sure he's no screaming hell, but he looks at least as good a skater as Smid was when he was in our top-4. Add to that how fluid skating development can be, I'm not worried.

Second, as much as is made of his production, he scored 22 points as an AHL rookie while playing top-4 minutes (by accounts of bloggers who watch AHL games) on a less than stellar team. Seems fine by my eye.

Stats certainly don't tell the whole picture, but to suggest something like "he has bust written all over him" is FAR to early to justifiably state. Personally, I would've preferred keeping the picks and grabbing Barzal and someone else, but there's still intrigue in the trade.
- MaximumBone

I really didn't like the trade during the Draft; 16th & 33rd for a guy who had been passed over by other Islanders prospects just seemed like a huge waste of top picks. I hope I'm wrong & Grif developed into an NHL D, but that deal made me doubt Chiarelli's judgement.

And who was it that ruined the shutout for Brossoit in his NHL debut you ask??? Justin "Norris Trophy" Shultz.

I really didn't like the trade during the Draft; 16th & 33rd for a guy who had been passed over by other Islanders prospects just seemed like a huge waste of top picks. I hope I'm wrong & Grif developed into an NHL D, but that deal made me doubt Chiarelli's judgement.
- haymac

Wasn't too crazy about it either. But until I see Grif in an Oilers jersey for a complete season, I will withhold judgement. Chiapet has built defensively sound teams before and I don't think he would pull the trigger on that deal unless he saw some thing worth having. Time will tell.

Wasn't too crazy about it either. But until I see Grif in an Oilers jersey for a complete season, I will withhold judgement. Chiapet has built defensively sound teams before and I don't think he would pull the trigger on that deal unless he saw some thing worth having. Time will tell.
- Wildschwein

Bob Green's fingerprints are all over this trade. Hopefully Chiarelli made the right move listening to him

Brossoit will definitely be up for the role of backup by next year.

A tandem of Talbot and Brossoit will be very solid imo.

As for Reinhart, right now, it seems like we got fleeced, but in a couple of years, it will be the other way around. Look at his advanced stats, his WHL stats, and his AHL stats.

NYI gave up way too early on him; just a quick fact, but Lidstrom wasn't who he was known for until he turned 22-23; don't forget that he was also a big defender. My point is bigger defenders take more time to develop.

Reinhart will definitely be a Top 4 defender, Top 2 however, maybe (Depends on how he utilizes his tools).

So, at this moment, the NYI blogs are right about the fact that he isn't a legit Top 4 defender, but in 1-2 more years, they'll be wrong.

Yea. I think defense wins championships and McDonagh is a top 10 defenseman in the league to me. There aren't many players I'd deal McDonagh for.
- rangerdanger94

and if thats the case- where are your championships??

A lot of players produce good numbers on poopty teams.

Hall's a hell of a player. Top 5 in his position. He might be higher end in the sense that he's top 5 and McDonagh's "only" top 10, but I still wouldn't deal McDonagh for him. The way the Rangers are constructed, McDonagh has more value to us than Hall IMO. He's our captain, he succeeds year over year shutting down division rivals such as Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Giroux, and has an amazing contract.

Hall is great though. I think the value is fair I just wouldn't do it.
- rangerdanger94

McDonagh is your team... likely the most important player - even before the king

I appreciate the perspective as I haven't had a chance to catch any of his AHL games and he seemed overwhelmed in the game I saw him play in the NHL so it's possibly founded. That having been said, I think people's concerns on the player are a touch overblown. Sure he's no screaming hell, but he looks at least as good a skater as Smid was when he was in our top-4. Add to that how fluid skating development can be, I'm not worried.

Second, as much as is made of his production, he scored 22 points as an AHL rookie while playing top-4 minutes (by accounts of bloggers who watch AHL games) on a less than stellar team. Seems fine by my eye.

Stats certainly don't tell the whole picture, but to suggest something like "he has bust written all over him" is FAR too early to justify. Personally, I would've preferred keeping the picks and grabbing Barzal and someone else, but there's still intrigue in the trade.
- MaximumBone

Agree- lets not put the cart before the horse here...

Brossoit will definitely be up for the role of backup by next year.

A tandem of Talbot and Brossoit will be very solid imo.

As for Reinhart, right now, it seems like we got fleeced, but in a couple of years, it will be the other way around. Look at his advanced stats, his WHL stats, and his AHL stats.

NYI gave up way too early on him; just a quick fact, but Lidstrom wasn't who he was known for until he turned 22-23; don't forget that he was also a big defender. My point is bigger defenders take more time to develop.

Reinhart will definitely be a Top 4 defender, Top 2 however, maybe (Depends on how he utilizes his tools).

So, at this moment, the NYI blogs are right about the fact that he isn't a legit Top 4 defender, but in 1-2 more years, they'll be wrong.
- EdmHockeyMan

Really? Maybe we are both Homers, but no way I make that deal.
- doon

Long time no see 4incher

Long time no see 4incher
- Lahey

Been busy with a bunch of stuff. Going back to work next week so that sucks. This place has been offseason dead though.

Been busy with a bunch of stuff. Going back to work next week so that sucks. This place has been offseason dead though.
- doon

Thats an understatement... its the worst its been in 6 years - maybe more...

Brossoit will definitely be up for the role of backup by next year.

A tandem of Talbot and Brossoit will be very solid imo.

As for Reinhart, right now, it seems like we got fleeced, but in a couple of years, it will be the other way around. Look at his advanced stats, his WHL stats, and his AHL stats.

NYI gave up way too early on him; just a quick fact, but Lidstrom wasn't who he was known for until he turned 22-23; don't forget that he was also a big defender. My point is bigger defenders take more time to develop.

Reinhart will definitely be a Top 4 defender, Top 2 however, maybe (Depends on how he utilizes his tools).

So, at this moment, the NYI blogs are right about the fact that he isn't a legit Top 4 defender, but in 1-2 more years, they'll be wrong.
- EdmHockeyMan

Lidstrom? I'd say Reinhart looks more like the second coming of Ty Wishart. Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised to see the Isles get something significant for him. Maybe he'll pan out, but at this stage, I don't think he's any closer to being a legit NHL player than Barzal is.

and if thats the case- where are your championships??
- saskoil21

I like to think that all Oiler fans are hoping that Talbot is the real deal and he signs a nice long contract with the Oilers. However I am not optimistic. I hope the Oilers can get something for Scrivens at the trade deadline and I would be tempted to play him just to trade him for anything. Either way, unless Scrivens does a complete 180 (not happening) he is gone next year. I like Nilson and his contract being up is nothing as he is an RFA and I doubt he is being offer sheeted from us.

With this said, I like Broissot. I think he has the potential to be a legitimate NHL starter in less than 5 years. He had a huge save % in his 1 NHL game and had no defense in front of him. I finally am optimistic enough about our new management/coaching/scouting staff to think that we might not ruin this prospect.

I predict he will see at least 1 NHL game this year and that Nilson and him will play it out next year for the backup role. In 3 years I would love to see Nilson and Broissot doing a 1A, 1B tandem but that is wishful thinking.

- Ihatebrianburke

We'll probably be one of the final four teams playing for the Cup once again this season

We'll probably be one of the final four teams playing for the Cup once again this season
- rangerdanger94

I would not put money on it. Most Vegas odds sites seem to put NYR tied for third in likely hood with LA and ANA behind Tampa and Chicago. Which makes sense because most of the odds are done from the same offices in Vegas a New York where Casinos, bookies and lottery companies send employees from around the world to decide daily odds together. Its needless to say, one of the best jobs you can have. With that said it is odds and by definition a 10/1 odds is not amazing.

In the east I like NYR, Tampa, Montreal, Pitts and even Boston (if Rask turns around they are a contender even without Lucic and Hamilton). To say the Rangers will be top 2 is not a stretch but the odds aren't amazing. West I think is a little more wide open. Especially with the 3 on 3 regular season. Good regular season stats makes teams buyers and not sellers which can decide a cup. CHI, ANA, LA, STL and even COL/SJ could find their way into this mix. I am putting money on Calgary but I think they are a year away still.