You say that now...
- CubanBuffet

Lmao, exactly.

All Richards and his Lawyer need to prove is that LA was aware of his habit/dependency or however it is phrased, prior to when they terminated his contract.

If they knew he was dealing with these issues prior, it will be tough to argue that they decided to terminate the contract just because he was caught, not because he broke the terms of the contract.
- belcherbd

Im not so sure this was why either tho. They terminated him without explanation previous to this story coming out. Richards has a history of alcohol abuse and not being in shape tp play way back to days in philly. Could be about anything

Interesting. Does the draft order determine waiver pickup order??
- dbot

If more than one claim is made on a player prior to November 1st, the previous years standing at the end of the regular season dictates the priority.

In that case we would be ranked 22nd I believe

David Schlemko is still a UFA, I'd take him over anyone we have one the blueline after the top 3. But I'd prefer a high draft pick so fingers crossed that they play Sbisa 20 minutes a night.
- Nucker101

I like Schlemko as well as a depth option but I think I would still prefer McIlrath if he does indeed get sent down.

I also would like them to take a flyer on Shore or Grant if there is an injury to a centre or mgmt decided to waive Vey.

Im not so sure this was why either tho. They terminated him without explanation previous to this story coming out. Richards has a history of alcohol abuse and not being in shape tp play way back to days in philly. Could be about anything
- SMBDragon

It is my understanding that they terminated his contract based upon

Paragraph 14 in the Standard Player’s Contract stipulates that the deal can be terminated if any player shall “fail, refuse or neglect to obey the Club’s rules governing training and conduct of Players.”

I would be surprised if that clause allows players to be terminated for being out of shape.

My point was if they are stating it is because alcohol abuse or another controlled substance, they would have to prove that they had no awareness of these issues prior to Richards being caught trying to bring Oxycontin across the border.

I don't think they would have a leg to stand on if their argument is, well we knew he was using a controlled substance but because he was caught we felt that he broke the rules on player conduct.

I think the timing of the termination will come back to bite them in the ass.

You say that now...
- CubanBuffet

It is my understanding that they terminated his contract based upon



I would be surprised if that clause allows players to be terminated for being out of shape.

My point was if they are stating it is because alcohol abuse or another controlled substance, they would have to prove that they had no awareness of these issues prior to Richards being caught trying to bring Oxycontin across the border.

I don't think they would have a leg to stand on if their argument is, well we knew he was using a controlled substance but because he was caught we felt that he broke the rules on player conduct.

I think the timing of the termination will come back to bite them in the ass.
- belcherbd

I agree with younthatbthenkings will likely get bent over on this one. Which helps the canucks of course.

Im just reminding everyone he dont know 100% for sure why.....the public is assuming. Cant believe the kings would void him prior to completion of the investigation and how would they have known about it even? Im sure richards didnt come to them telling them he was busted with drugs.

It could be many things potentially. I suspect its something else we havent heard of yet based on the fact theres other kings players jn jail and others charged with possession who are still with the team a d the kings lawyers wont be stupid enough to the nhlpa wont be all over that and win.

But if it indeed was the border issue then kings would have been tempted to try for a guy making that amount and playing in ahl. They mustm have known he wouldnt be playing out that contract for some unknown reason.

But none of us know including me. But yes I fully think the kings will lose their termination case.

Seems strange for a team to stand by a player with some spousal abuse issues and walk away from a player with substance abuse issues.

Guess Voynov is the better player or is more valuable to the team.

Must of been a lot going on behind the scenes. Still can't see him getting his contract terminated unless he refused treatment/rehab.

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- hillbillydeluxe

Spousal abuse can be pretty complicated. You have to know the details and not just that... the history.

So many times a man gets charged with assaulting his wife but when the dust settles... the other person was at fault and charges get dropped( but never reversed). It still ruins the mans reputation often though even though he was protecting himself or trying to leave to avoid trouble and was obstructed. I've seen it first hand too many times to count... like the man holding his wife's wrists while she tries to pound him in the face over and over... then see him charged for assault because of the marks on her wrists... true story... a friend was charged... he had a fat lip, a shiner and bruises on his legs from being kicked... she had marks on her wrists you could only see in florescent lights.... crazy. He was found not guilty after he hired a lawyer to prove the obvious. He was removed from his own house for 8 months and she put a restraining order on him but still showed up at my house where he moved into to be a wiener to him weekly.

She told the police that he went after his kids with a knife once. When she admitted she lied after he was taken down and stuffed in a cop car. They didnt charge her for the lie... and still removed him from the house due to domestic disturbance protocol.... the neighbors thought he was a monster because of her antics.

I agree with younthatbthenkings will likely get bent over on this one. Which helps the canucks of course.

Im just reminding everyone he dont know 100% for sure why.....the public is assuming. Cant believe the kings would void him prior to completion of the investigation and how would they have known about it even? Im sure richards didnt come to them telling them he was busted with drugs.

It could be many things potentially. I suspect its something else we havent heard of yet based on the fact theres other kings players jn jail and others charged with possession who are still with the team a d the kings lawyers wont be stupid enough to the nhlpa wont be all over that and win.

But if it indeed was the border issue then kings would have been tempted to try for a guy making that amount and playing in ahl. They mustm have known he wouldnt be playing out that contract for some unknown reason.

But none of us know including me. But yes I fully think the kings will lose their termination case.
- SMBDragon

I agree there are some assumptions in there for sure.

But we do know that he was detained and questioned on June 17th, LA terminated his contract on the 29th and he has now been officially charged on Aug 25th.

It isn't like LA had terminated this contract prior to Richards crossing the border.

Spousal abuse can be pretty complicated. You have to know the details and not just that... the history.

So many times a man gets charged with assaulting his wife but when the dust settles... the other person was at fault and charges get dropped( but never reversed). It still ruins the mans reputation often though even though he was protecting himself or trying to leave to avoid trouble and was obstructed. I've seen it first hand too many times to count... like the man holding his wife's wrists while she tries to pound him in the face over and over... then see him charged for assault because of the marks on her wrists... true story... a friend was charged... he had a fat lip, a shiner and bruises on his legs from being kicked... she had marks on her wrists you could only see in florescent lights.... crazy. He was found not guilty after he hired a lawyer to prove the obvious. He was removed from his own house for 8 months and she put a restraining order on him but still showed up at my house where he moved into to be a wiener to him weekly.

She told the police that he went after his kids with a knife once. When she admitted she lied after he was taken down and stuffed in a cop car. They didnt charge her for the lie... and still removed him from the house due to domestic disturbance protocol.... the neighbors thought he was a monster because of her antics.
- boonerbuck

Trashy chicks are the worst.

It is my understanding that they terminated his contract based upon



I would be surprised if that clause allows players to be terminated for being out of shape.

My point was if they are stating it is because alcohol abuse or another controlled substance, they would have to prove that they had no awareness of these issues prior to Richards being caught trying to bring Oxycontin across the border.

I don't think they would have a leg to stand on if their argument is, well we knew he was using a controlled substance but because he was caught we felt that he broke the rules on player conduct.

I think the timing of the termination will come back to bite them in the ass.
- belcherbd

I don't think he wins this though, the NFL has set the standard in the courts for contracts being terminated for personal misconduct. And I believe this isn't the first run-in with the law for Richards, this just happens to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Spousal abuse can be pretty complicated. You have to know the details and not just that... the history.

So many times a man gets charged with assaulting his wife but when the dust settles... the other person was at fault and charges get dropped( but never reversed). It still ruins the mans reputation often though even though he was protecting himself or trying to leave to avoid trouble and was obstructed. I've seen it first hand too many times to count... like the man holding his wife's wrists while she tries to pound him in the face over and over... then see him charged for assault because of the marks on her wrists... true story... a friend was charged... he had a fat lip, a shiner and bruises on his legs from being kicked... she had marks on her wrists you could only see in florescent lights.... crazy. He was found not guilty after he hired a lawyer to prove the obvious. He was removed from his own house for 8 months and she put a restraining order on him but still showed up at my house where he moved into to be a wiener to him weekly.

She told the police that he went after his kids with a knife once. When she admitted she lied after he was taken down and stuffed in a cop car. They didnt charge her for the lie... and still removed him from the house due to domestic disturbance protocol.... the neighbors thought he was a monster because of her antics.
- boonerbuck

While this does occur, I think you find the majority of domestic abuse does indeed flow in one direction.

Specifically in the Voynov situation, he is currently serving a 90 day jail sentence. I think it is pretty cut and dry that he is guilty.

If you do some research on domestic abuse and the whole " women crying wolf " scenario you will see that for the most part it is completely unfounded.

Unfortunately in our society and across the world women are being abused very regularly and it won't stop until men start taking responsibility for this being a men's issue.

I don't think you are insinuating otherwise but do think that we need to be very careful in how we ( as men ) discuss violence against women.

Well Cody Eakin's new deal just shows how F'n ridiculous that Brandon Sutter contract is.

More Points, Younger, and better in the face-off circle.

Well Cody Eakin's new deal just shows how F'n ridiculous that Brandon Sutter contract is.

More Points, Younger, and better in the face-off circle.



- classic321

He was a RFA, but they did buy 2 UFA years so I agree. The Sutter contract will be mocked heavily unless the cap goes up big time. He's a 3rd liner getting paid as a quality top 6 player.

He was a RFA, but they did buy 2 UFA years so I agree. The Sutter contract will be mocked heavily unless the cap goes up big time. He's a 3rd liner getting paid as a quality top 6 player.
- Nucker101

I just hate that we still have 1 more year before it kicks in.



Vrbata & Tanev contracts = GOOD

Sbisa Dorsett, Miller = Embarrassingly bad

I just hate that we still have 1 more year before it kicks in.



Vrbata & Tanev contracts = GOOD

Sbisa Dorsett, Miller = Embarrassingly bad
- classic321

Agreed. I can live with Dorsett somewhat, but the other 2 plus Sutter are laughable.

Trashy chicks are the worst.
- Nucker101

This particular one was hot as hell, dressed pretty classy... always looked down on the trashy woman... but was just a head case. She started a fight with 3 woman while she was carrying my friends child in her tummy in the park across from my house. My GF had to go out there and beat 2 of them up. The police arrived and she claimed the 3 attacked her. Her thing was calling cops when she was the culprit.

This particular one was hot as hell, dressed pretty classy... always looked down on the trashy woman... but was just a head case. She started a fight with 3 woman while she was carrying my friends child in her tummy in the park across from my house. My GF had to go out there and beat 2 of them up. The police arrived and she claimed the 3 attacked her. Her thing was calling cops when she was the culprit.
- boonerbuck

Buddy of mine got an assault charge for taking the phone out of his fiance's hand. She had gone out for the whole weekend on a coke bender.... then after returning home on the monday she was calling her dealer again, while being 5 months prego with his kid. There are definitely times where the system fails.

While this does occur, I think you find the majority of domestic abuse does indeed flow in one direction.

Specifically in the Voynov situation, he is currently serving a 90 day jail sentence. I think it is pretty cut and dry that he is guilty.

If you do some research on domestic abuse and the whole " women crying wolf " scenario you will see that for the most part it is completely unfounded.

Unfortunately in our society and across the world women are being abused very regularly and it won't stop until men start taking responsibility for this being a men's issue.

I don't think you are insinuating otherwise but do think that we need to be very careful in how we ( as men ) discuss violence against women.
- belcherbd

While this does occur, I think you find the majority of domestic abuse does indeed flow in one direction.

Specifically in the Voynov situation, he is currently serving a 90 day jail sentence. I think it is pretty cut and dry that he is guilty.

If you do some research on domestic abuse and the whole " women crying wolf " scenario you will see that for the most part it is completely unfounded.

Unfortunately in our society and across the world women are being abused very regularly and it won't stop until men start taking responsibility for this being a men's issue.

I don't think you are insinuating otherwise but do think that we need to be very careful in how we ( as men ) discuss violence against women.
- belcherbd

Cut and dry is it?

The courts and police protocol are so skewed that it is rarely cut and dry. Was he convicted yes. Did he do what he was charged for... yes... *most likely*. Was there circumstances that people don't know about.... way too often.

I wonder, how many violent domestic situations have you been around for? I don't mean showing up for the aftermath and already having the mindset that there is only one abuser involved...

I was almost murdered by my spouse. I have a deep puncture scar 1/2 inch from my jugular. I didnt touch her. The cops asked if I wanted to press charges... I said no... end of story. I wasnt allowed to go back to the apartment the cops told me at the hospital. Flip that around and just a mark on the wrist means you are taken away and charged even if she claims you didnt do it.

I have several stories of me, family and friends who have dealt with violent woman and it never reached a court room. Some of these people eventually defended themselves... which resulted with some of them were charged... a couple were convicted. The cases where the woman was caught lying... no punishment for that. This is why it happens as often as it does...

I could go on about the craziness in my own household growing up. My father wasnt abusive what so ever.... but the cops were at the house constantly because of my mother. He would try and leave the house when she was drunk and she would try and stop him... if he eventualy pushed her on her ass... she would run to the phone... she even said once on the phone he was going to shoot me so the task force showed up. They never charged her either... but he had been taken away on other calls by her when he was just trying to go to work in the morning.

Growing up poor means I don't have the Hollywood/media stereotype of how domestic violence plays out. Men go way overboard... there's no denying it but to claim things are cut and dry makes me chuckle because I've sat around the courtrooms after witnessing what really happened. Imagine after having several plates and cups thrown at you and you are jumping up and down in your bare feet trying to dodge missiles while landing on glass... just to throw the 1 cup that didnt break back and get charged and convicted.... even when you had witnesses... fkn sad.

disregard

Spousal abuse can be pretty complicated. You have to know the details and not just that... the history.

So many times a man gets charged with assaulting his wife but when the dust settles... the other person was at fault and charges get dropped( but never reversed). It still ruins the mans reputation often though even though he was protecting himself or trying to leave to avoid trouble and was obstructed. I've seen it first hand too many times to count... like the man holding his wife's wrists while she tries to pound him in the face over and over... then see him charged for assault because of the marks on her wrists... true story... a friend was charged... he had a fat lip, a shiner and bruises on his legs from being kicked... she had marks on her wrists you could only see in florescent lights.... crazy. He was found not guilty after he hired a javascript:emoticon('')lawyer to prove the obvious. He was removed from his own house for 8 months and she put a restraining order on him but still showed up at my house where he moved into to be a wiener to him weekly.

She told the police that he went after his kids with a knife once. When she admitted she lied after he was taken down and stuffed in a cop car. They didnt charge her for the lie... and still removed him from the house due to domestic disturbance protocol.... the neighbors thought he was a monster because of her antics.
- boonerbuck

I won't argue about all this sh!t being complicated.


Have some friends and coworkers who have gone through some stuff. Only hearing one side of the story, it sounds like there is a step by step process for women who want to break up with their spouse or boyfriend. get in an argument, lots of yelling, call the cops, claim there was violence or threat there of and go from there.

Are there lots of men that are a55holes? for sure? Some victims are men, some are women, almost always it is the kids that suffer the most.

it is too bad the process is often geared to give the woman the benefit of the doubt and some manipulate the system to the extreme.

Any sort of domestic violence is wrong. But I don't really feel that bad for those people who push buttons and end up getting a punch in the face, just feel bad if it is a never ending cycle.

Touchy subject for sure. no clear cut solutions. [/img]

While this does occur, I think you find the majority of domestic abuse does indeed flow in one direction.


Specifically in the Voynov situation, he is currently serving a 90 day jail sentence. I think it is pretty cut and dry that he is guilty.

If you do some research on domestic abuse and the whole " women crying wolf " scenario you will see that for the most part it is completely unfounded.

Unfortunately in our society and across the world women are being abused very regularly and it won't stop until men start taking responsibility for this being a men's issue.

I don't think you are insinuating otherwise but do think that we need to be very careful in how we ( as men ) discuss violence against women.
- belcherbd

I hear what you are saying, but think it is more a societal issue. relationships. it is called domestic violence. Relationships are thought to be 2 parties coming together, living, having a life together.

It just seems when you have these relationships, they are often not equal.
one is stronger, controlling or more manipulative than the other. Domestic violence is likely just as big in the lgbt community as the heterosexual community.

people just shouldn't be hitting each other.

I agree with younthatbthenkings will likely get bent over on this one. Which helps the canucks of course.

Im just reminding everyone he dont know 100% for sure why.....the public is assuming. Cant believe the kings would void him prior to completion of the investigation and how would they have known about it even? Im sure richards didnt come to them telling them he was busted with drugs.

It could be many things potentially. I suspect its something else we havent heard of yet based on the fact theres other kings players jn jail and others charged with possession who are still with the team a d the kings lawyers wont be stupid enough to the nhlpa wont be all over that and win.

But if it indeed was the border issue then kings would have been tempted to try for a guy making that amount and playing in ahl. They mustm have known he wouldnt be playing out that contract for some unknown reason.

But none of us know including me. But yes I fully think the kings will lose their termination case.
- SMBDragon

Maybe he had enough drugs to supply Manitoba

He was a RFA, but they did buy 2 UFA years so I agree. The Sutter contract will be mocked heavily unless the cap goes up big time. He's a 3rd liner getting paid as a quality top 6 player.
- Nucker101

Bozak is a third liner treated as a first liner. Morrison was the same