Yes its always relative to your assignments and roles placed in for sure.
Don't recall him with the sedins but I believe you.
- SMBDragon

Vey played alot with the Sedins on the PP for the first part of last season.

Yes its always relative to your assignments and roles placed in for sure.
Don't recall him with the sedins but I believe you.
- SMBDragon

On the PP

Like I said, Vey has some slick moves and years from now he may play well with Sven but that is years away

I never imagined Nucker would become the most irrational poster in the Canucks board... he went from someone I could always rely on to be reasonable and insightful even in disagreement to someone who has developed a blind hate and rolls out one spinning exaggeration after another that is dripping with speculative conclusions about all the future outcomes of every move and non move. He was never this crazy at the end of MG rein. It was all going to hell for a long time and the POS was blaming everyone but himself but before our last playoffs were even over, nucker was waving his Flames sweater everywhere poopting all over Benning and us fans because Benning's *non playoff team* was not looking like a playoff team(go figure).... all the signs of someone who was set to go on a agenda long before he found that 1st thing to set it off....

- boonerbuck

It is baffling.

I never imagined Nucker would become the most irrational poster in the Canucks board... he went from someone I could always rely on to be reasonable and insightful even in disagreement to someone who has developed a blind hate and rolls out one spinning exaggeration after another that is dripping with speculative conclusions about all the future outcomes of every move and non move. He was never this crazy at the end of MG rein. It was all going to hell for a long time and the POS was blaming everyone but himself but before our last playoffs were even over, nucker was waving his Flames sweater everywhere poopting all over Benning and us fans because Benning's *non playoff team* was not looking like a playoff team(go figure).... all the signs of someone who was set to go on a agenda long before he found that 1st thing to set it off....

- boonerbuck

It could just be the old guys vs the young guys. The young guys don't seem to have any perspective. Maybe the fact that we geezers (anyone who lived in the 80's) can recall how bad the team was during that time period, gives us some patience to go through this stage of sucking.

I'm just surprised at how irrational/emotional some guys can get. And in the very next breath, they seemingly want to quit the team. I love you so I have to leave you.

It's time to take a breath and realise this team is not going to contend so instead of focusing on the trees, it is time to see the forest. After all, it's not like the Ellars or Lacks or Sutters will/would make a big difference.

It could just be the old guys vs the young guys. The young guys don't seem to have any perspective. Maybe the fact that we geezers (anyone who lived in the 80's) can recall how bad the team was during that time period, gives us some patience to go through this stage of sucking.

I'm just surprised at how irrational/emotional some guys can get. And in the very next breath, they seemingly want to quit the team. I love you so I have to leave you.

It's time to take a breath and realise this team is not going to contend so instead of focusing on the trees, it is time to see the forest. After all, it's not like the Ellars or Lacks or Sutters will/would make a big difference.
- RealityChecker

I've been a Canucks fan since the early 80s.

I love your guys logic. Benning might have overpaid for X player, or he might not have gotten market value for X player...but he knows who he wants on the team and goes and gets them.

As has been said previously, he hasn't added anyone (other than the draft) that is a real impact player that will help this team long term. He's gotten rid of players that will help other teams, and gotten very little in return.

I've been a Canucks fan since the early 80s.

I love your guys logic. Benning might have overpaid for X player, or he might not have gotten market value for X player...but he knows who he wants on the team and goes and gets them.

As has been said previously, he hasn't added anyone (other than the draft) that is a real impact player that will help this team long term. He's gotten rid of players that will help other teams, and gotten very little in return.
- Scooby_Doo

They have really overpaid for Sbisa only.

They have really overpaid for Sbisa only.
- VANTEL

Sutter was a massive overpayment. Pretty much gave away Lack. Overpaid for Miller. Just boggles my mind some of the moves he's made.

Sutter was a massive overpayment. Pretty much gave away Lack. Overpaid for Miller. Just boggles my mind some of the moves he's made.
- Scooby_Doo

Second line centres usually get between 4-5 mil per

I've been a Canucks fan since the early 80s.

I love your guys logic. Benning might have overpaid for X player, or he might not have gotten market value for X player...but he knows who he wants on the team and goes and gets them.

As has been said previously, he hasn't added anyone (other than the draft) that is a real impact player that will help this team long term. He's gotten rid of players that will help other teams, and gotten very little in return.
- Scooby_Doo

You believe that a rebuild is necessary but jump ship 15 months into Benning's tenure.

Now you're saying that he hasn't added anyone with real impact aside from the draft. Well, where do you think the foundation of a rebuild is set? Trades? UFA signings?

So basically what you are saying is that you are jumping off the bandwagon b/c he hasn't made a great trade or signing in the 1 season that he has been here. Yup. That's some real patience.

You believe that a rebuild is necessary but jump ship 15 months into Benning's tenure.

Now you're saying that he hasn't added anyone with real impact aside from the draft. Well, where do you think the foundation of a rebuild is set? Trades? UFA signings?

So basically what you are saying is that you are jumping off the bandwagon b/c he hasn't made a great trade or signing in the 1 season that he has been here. Yup. That's some real patience.
- RealityChecker

People don't realize we don't have the assets to make great trades, unless we give up top prospects and take a step back

You believe that a rebuild is necessary but jump ship 15 months into Benning's tenure.

Now you're saying that he hasn't added anyone with real impact aside from the draft. Well, where do you think the foundation of a rebuild is set? Trades? UFA signings?

So basically what you are saying is that you are jumping off the bandwagon b/c he hasn't made a great trade or signing in the 1 season that he has been here. Yup. That's some real patience.
- RealityChecker

I'm not going anywhere pal. I'm just not going to make sure I watch every game, I'm not going to get upset if they lose, and I'm not going to plan my life around Canucks games like I have for the past 20 years.

I'm going to be patient and let the young players develop, and will be hoping they miss the playoffs the next few years to get better picks.

I also hope Benning makes some moves with veteran guys that could bring back some sort of return. Critiquing the GM is part of the role as a fan, we don't all blindly cheer for the team.

Second line centres usually get between 4-5 mil per
- VANTEL

He's a third line centre on most teams.

People don't realize we don't have the assets to make great trades, unless we give up top prospects and take a step back
- VANTEL

What do you mean? Effing Benning couldn't turn Lack into Stamkos. Fire the bum.

It could just be the old guys vs the young guys. The young guys don't seem to have any perspective. Maybe the fact that we geezers (anyone who lived in the 80's) can recall how bad the team was during that time period, gives us some patience to go through this stage of sucking.

I'm just surprised at how irrational/emotional some guys can get. And in the very next breath, they seemingly want to quit the team. I love you so I have to leave you.

It's time to take a breath and realise this team is not going to contend so instead of focusing on the trees, it is time to see the forest. After all, it's not like the Ellars or Lacks or Sutters will/would make a big difference.
- RealityChecker

This.

I'm not going anywhere pal. I'm just not going to make sure I watch every game, I'm not going to get upset if they lose, and I'm not going to plan my life around Canucks games like I have for the past 20 years.

I'm going to be patient and let the young players develop, and will be hoping they miss the playoffs the next few years to get better picks.

I also hope Benning makes some moves with veteran guys that could bring back some sort of return. Critiquing the GM is part of the role as a fan, we don't all blindly cheer for the team.
- Scooby_Doo

Critiquing is one thing; crying like a whiny little b!tch is quite another.

I'm not going anywhere pal. I'm just not going to make sure I watch every game, I'm not going to get upset if they lose, and I'm not going to plan my life around Canucks games like I have for the past 20 years.

I'm going to be patient and let the young players develop, and will be hoping they miss the playoffs the next few years to get better picks.

I also hope Benning makes some moves with veteran guys that could bring back some sort of return. Critiquing the GM is part of the role as a fan, we don't all blindly cheer for the team.
- Scooby_Doo

I know you are a huge fan. I bet you watch every game. I know I will. If they lose they lose. I expect this team to be very competitive in 3 years.

One play making D , one Ehlers type forward and a stud Dman, plus our prospects

He's a third line centre on most teams.
- Scooby_Doo

So would Burrows Kassian Higgins and Hansen , welcome to Canuckville


Let Sutter at least play 20 games before we call him a bust

I've been a Canucks fan since the early 80s.

I love your guys logic. Benning might have overpaid for X player, or he might not have gotten market value for X player...but he knows who he wants on the team and goes and gets them.

As has been said previously, he hasn't added anyone (other than the draft) that is a real impact player that will help this team long term. He's gotten rid of players that will help other teams, and gotten very little in return.
- Scooby_Doo

Will have to digress respectfully. Sure 'long term' impact players are tough additions for any team. Having said that Vrbata...had impact. Dorsett...had impact. Miller (like it or not)...had impact. Pushing Horvat in...had impact. Just like Prust will have impact and so will Sutter. Short term maybe but impact there will be.

Getting little in return is what happens when you are handed 9 or 10 NTCs from the Gillis era. We made that bed and now Benning and co. will have to try and clean it up. Gillis chose to handcuff this team for a dead dream of somehow getting this stale core back to SCF by giving away assets for rentals. Waited too long and now we are getting what they are worth. Did you want a first for Bieksa? Two firsts for Lou? Two firsts for the tool Kesler? What do you expect to get for Burrows Edler Hamhuis and Higgins even if they all have decent seasons?

Gillis turned this team into Flames 2.0 after the SCF. You could almost draw a roadmap to it. Sure the Flames are good now but it took almost a decade...which is what current MNGT is trying to avoid if at all possible.

I was born in Van in 1970 and have seen all the lean years plus the good. Will always be my first team and never jump ship. After a year and a half of Benning some on here are assuming way too much. Benning gave that stale core it's last shot last season just like he said he would and now he is starting to move NTCs out...which is what we need. Market value by hanging on to vets 2 or 3 seasons after they SHOULD have been moved? Right. Wait for the market to improve? What the hell does that even mean? If Gillis would have moved that douchbag Kesler when he should have after the 2012 playoffs we WOULD have got market value. Not wait until Kesler was looking like he was skating through seaweed playing for Torts and handcuff Benning with a choice of only one team.

The real test will be what we have to work with once Burrows Hamhuis Edler and Higgins are gone.

I know you are a huge fan. I bet you watch every game. I know I will. If they lose they lose. I expect this team to be very competitive in 3 years.

One play making D , one Ehlers type forward and a stud Dman, plus our prospects
- VANTEL

The D is an absolute abyss. It needs a total overhaul. I worry that that they are just crossing their fingers that a prospect can turn into a first pairing guy.

They need to use some real assets (high picks and quality prospects) to either draft or trade for 1+.

If McCann can stay healthy and continue his development trajectory, I would explore using him in a trade package. This is not to say that I undervalue him. You got to give to get and bo, Sutter and cassells could be adequate in the middle.

Will have to digress respectfully. Sure 'long term' impact players are tough additions for any team. Having said that Vrbata...had impact. Dorsett...had impact. Miller (like it or not)...had impact. Pushing Horvat in...had impact. Just like Prust will have impact and so will Sutter. Short term maybe but impact there will be.

Getting little in return is what happens when you are handed 9 or 10 NTCs from the Gillis era. We made that bed and now Benning and co. will have to try and clean it up. Gillis chose to handcuff this team for a dead dream of somehow getting this stale core back to SCF by giving away assets for rentals. Waited too long and now we are getting what they are worth. Did you want a first for Bieksa? Two firsts for Lou? Two firsts for the tool Kesler? What do you expect to get for Burrows Edler Hamhuis and Higgins even if they all have decent seasons?

Gillis turned this team into Flames 2.0 after the SCF. You could almost draw a roadmap to it. Sure the Flames are good now but it took almost a decade...which is what current MNGT is trying to avoid if at all possible.

I was born in Van in 1970 and have seen all the lean years plus the good. Will always be my first team and never jump ship. After a year and a half of Benning some on here are assuming way too much. Benning gave that stale core it's last shot last season just like he said he would and now he is starting to move NTCs out...which is what we need. Market value by hanging on to vets 2 or 3 seasons after they SHOULD have been moved? Right. Wait for the market to improve? What the hell does that even mean? If Gillis would have moved that douchbag Kesler when he should have after the 2012 playoffs we WOULD have got market value. Not wait until Kesler was looking like he was skating through seaweed playing for Torts and handcuff Benning with a choice of only one team.

The real test will be what we have to work with once Burrows Hamhuis Edler and Higgins are gone.
- LordHumungous

I agree. The thing I like the most is he has made us more playoff tough . He is picking up players that up their game in PO , not the ones that go hide in the corner

The D is an absolute abyss. It needs a total overhaul. I worry that that they are just crossing their fingers that a prospect can turn into a first pairing guy.

They need to use some real assets (high picks and quality prospects) to either draft or trade for 1+.

If McCann can stay healthy and continue his development trajectory, I would explore using him in a trade package. This is not to say that I undervalue him. You got to give to get and bo, Sutter and cassells could be adequate in the middle.
- RealityChecker

I agree with everything . I thought about packaging McCann too soon as I heard Eller was being looked at.

I know it is a HB rumour but I can see Benning looking for another Centre.

I agree. The thing I like the most is he has made us more playoff tough . He is picking up players that up their game in PO , not the ones that go hide in the corner
- VANTEL

Precisely which is crucial.

Precisely which is crucial.
- LordHumungous

I think so . The current core has had four kicks at the can since the SCF run and have won 3 or four games since then. Sending the same group out 5 years later seems crazy to me ,thus you need the change.

Sedins will carry the regular season as guys like Bo Sven and young guys learn the game. When it comes to the PO it is a marathon , you need the toughness and you need the passion. This core did not have it.

The D is an absolute abyss. It needs a total overhaul. I worry that that they are just crossing their fingers that a prospect can turn into a first pairing guy.

They need to use some real assets (high picks and quality prospects) to either draft or trade for 1+.

If McCann can stay healthy and continue his development trajectory, I would explore using him in a trade package. This is not to say that I undervalue him. You got to give to get and bo, Sutter and cassells could be adequate in the middle.
- RealityChecker

You gotta hold on to Horvat, other than that, I would move any one for Defence. It's brutal back there. Hamhuis might be gone next season, Edler not long after that. And, unless one of the young guys exceeds expectations to the same level Tanev has, nothing that can even come close to replacing them, let alone establish themselves as a legit number one. I don't love what Benning has done this summer but I'm willing to watch a couple of games before ripping him for them. It's what he hasn't done that I'm the most worried about, and that's address the backend.

I think so . The current core has had four kicks at the can since the SCF run and have won 3 or four games since then. Sending the same group out 5 years later seems crazy to me ,thus you need the change.

Sedins will carry the regular season as guys like Bo Sven and young guys learn the game. When it comes to the PO it is a marathon , you need the toughness and you need the passion. This core did not have it.
- VANTEL

I don't necessarily agree with your assessment but I will say that a positive change that Benning has made is with the team's culture.

Within 1 season, he has changed what the Canucks are all about. He said he wanted meat and potatoes and he is quickly turning them into a hard skating, north/south team.

Just need that on the d though!