Who are the players that have won two Norris trophies? How many made to the hall of fame after retiring?

If Karlsson wins a third Norris, where does he go on the list?
- spatso

Interesting questions.
Orr has 8 wins. He's in the hall.
Doug Harvey has 7, so does Lidstrom. Both in.
Ray Bourque has 5. He's in.
Pierre Pilote has 3, and is in.
Denis Potvin, Paul Coffey, and Chris Chelios also have 3 and are in.
Larry Robinson, Rod Langway, Duncan Keith, and Erik Karlsson each have 2.
Robinson and Langway are both in. Keith and Karlsson are both still active. Both appear to be on the path to the Hall. It seems unlikely they won't.
Players with only 1 are Leetch, Blake, MacInnis, Pronger, Niedermayer, Chara, and Subban.
Of the retired players Pronger isn't in because of a technicality.
Chara will likely get in. Subban may. It is early, but having a Norris has been a lock for the hall for everyone else...

So IF Karlsson wins his 3rd he'd be compared to Pilote, Potvin, Coffey, and Chelios. Karlsson reminds me of Coffey. I never saw much of Potvin. Didn't see any of Pilote.

I disagree. Beaulieu was clearly frustrated when he came back after his injury. He certainly hasn't forgot and with this new rivalry between the two teams, i can see Beaulieu going after EK.
- koniglaro

Beaulieu is a wimp.

Canada sent all their best Dmen to the last Olympics. I believe Karlsson was named top Dman at the end of the tournament. I don't understand how everyone apparently does not understand he is not as good as (insert slug of the month).

If Karlsson plays at the level he played over the second half of last season he is going to win more than a Norris.

Who are the players that have won two Norris trophies? How many made to the hall of fame after retiring?

If Karlsson wins a third Norris, where does he go on the list?
- spatso

If I'm making a team and I can have any dman to build my team around I'm taking Karlsson. Hate the Sens but Karlsson can flat out take over game after game.

The definition of the Norris is for the best all-around dman.
- jfkst1

I suppose it's just a coincidence that every single one of the Norris Trophy winners over the past 6 years have finished 1st or 2nd in defenceman scoring? Whatever... maybe they need to make a Selke equivalent for the best defensive defenceman. The point is that a 2nd trophy for defenceman is probably overdue, given that they hand over the Richard, Ross, and Jennings trophies to forwards and goaltenders based exclusively on regular season statistics.

Can't really add anything that hasn't been bought up every time Karlsson is brought up. Some people love his style and some people hate it.

It's similar to "who is the best centre in the game". Commonly Crosby and Towes are compared. You'll always have the side that prefers the obvious-well-rounded game over exceptional skill and vice-versa. Nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the Karlsson discussion either.

I do hope to see the Karlsson we saw briefly before his ankle injury. He still isn't back to where he was when the injury occurred (which is scary to think about). At that time he was in the discussion as best player in the game, not just defensman.

Can't really add anything that hasn't been bought up every time Karlsson is brought up. Some people love his style and some people hate it.

It's similar to "who is the best centre in the game". Commonly Crosby and Towes are compared. You'll always have the side that prefers the obvious-well-rounded game over exceptional skill and vice-versa. Nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the Karlsson discussion either.

I do hope to see the Karlsson we saw briefly before his ankle injury. He still isn't back to where he was when the injury occurred (which is scary to think about). At that time he was in the discussion as best player in the game, not just defensman.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I think he was the best player in the game down the stretch last year. Over the entire year, Cary Price was the best player in the game.

If I'm making a team and I can have any dman to build my team around I'm taking Karlsson. Hate the Sens but Karlsson can flat out take over game after game.
- ClarksonDavid

well said.

he's also just an amazing athlete + character person (murray's favorite words to use). But c'mon, 6.5M for this guy is a joke. Not greedy or arrogant. Consistent, hard working, humble, a lot of the qualities that Alfie said

Like he said "I'm not god"........ that's alflie

Karlsson is absolutely elite. There are several ways of contributing to the defence of a team. Scott Niedermayer comes to mind as another Norris calibre winner who did not play with that menacing physical edge.

I wouldn't worry about the few that are predisposed to dislike the guy, like the poor fellow trying to convince us that hit on Bealieu was illegal, or that other goof pretending Karlsson is the only player to have ever missed on a hit. (Staal...)
- Tangled

Good point.

I think Karlsson - before his injury - was at (or headed) to that Niedermayer level of hockey (to be fair, that's just another level) but Karlsson's injury showed me his human side. He certainly tried to do too much but with Methot coming back from injury, 2015 Karlsson regained his form. I still think he has another level because this year no one STOOD OUT. Giordano would have won if not hurt, or Weber if he sustained his first half imo

Good point.

I think Karlsson - before his injury - was at (or headed) to that Niedermayer level of hockey (to be fair, that's just another level) but Karlsson's injury showed me his human side. He certainly tried to do too much but with Methot coming back from injury, 2015 Karlsson regained his form. I still think he has another level because this year no one STOOD OUT. Giordano would have won if not hurt, or Weber if he sustained his first half imo
- AlfieisKing

I think Karlson has a shot at leading the league in points, being named MVP and, of course, winning the Norris. But, the total level of individual success is highly dependent on team success. If the Sens stick with Tampa and have a great regular season Karlsson will break into everyone's consciousness.

I think Karlson has a shot at leading the league in points, being named MVP and, of course, winning the Norris. But, the total level of individual success is highly dependent on team success. If the Sens stick with Tampa and have a great regular season Karlsson will break into everyone's consciousness.
- spatso

I don't know what the last part means but I think Karlsson having won 2 norris trophies should already be on the scene lol

Also the leading the points - I don't know man. Maybe playing on the oilers

All the throll on EK...this is fine we'll keep him.

Subban is not a good comparision because he's bad on offence, bad on defence and hiw Norris Trophy was won on half a season where he went hot.

All the throll on EK...this is fine we'll keep him.

Subban is not a good comparision because he's bad on offence, bad on defence and hiw Norris Trophy was won on half a season where he went hot.
- SENSpatriot

How exactly do you go hot if you're bad on offence and defence?

Karlsson is absolutely elite. There are several ways of contributing to the defence of a team. Scott Niedermayer comes to mind as another Norris calibre winner who did not play with that menacing physical edge.

I wouldn't worry about the few that are predisposed to dislike the guy, like the poor fellow trying to convince us that hit on Bealieu was illegal, or that other goof pretending Karlsson is the only player to have ever missed on a hit. (Staal...)
- Tangled

I'm guessing this was directed at me. You must be a little slow. The whole point of my post was agreeing with the blogger that Karlsson "doesn't" need to have a physical game to be a great player. 1st its not his game, 2nd he will most likely take the worst of most hits because of his size. He shouldn't worry about hitting and should work on the finer points of being a d-man, which he obviously has been doing the last few years, since he is getting better at the defensive side every year.

I guess that makes me "predisposed to dislike the guy".

To me Karlsson is used exactly how he should be. When he's on the ice I want him to be as valuable as possible. And, to me that's when the other team is terrified and has to put out their shut down guys to try and contain him. So the no PK thing isn't a big deal. It's the only real time that the opponent gets to dictate the play and Karlsson has to expend energy protecting. Also, I know the sample size is small but didn't Yost make a story a few years ago about how Karlsson is actually good at playing on the PK?

I don't know what the last part means but I think Karlsson having won 2 norris trophies should already be on the scene lol

Also the leading the points - I don't know man. Maybe playing on the oilers
- AlfieisKing

The discussion evolves around where Karlsson fits in relation to all other Dman. If Karlsson has a monster year and the Sens challenge Tampa.....the question we will be debating is whether Karlsson is the best player in the NHL. Over the second half of last season, I believe there was no better player on any team.

Garnie, are you our new troll?
- Mr_Clean

Troll? if saying something true is trolling - then yes I guess I am.

Jared

The hit on Beaulieu was illegal but went unpunished. Mtl didn't retaliate because they needed to win the game/series.

But like you said, Karlsson is around 6' and 180. Beaulieu is 6'2 200 lbs.
We all know that EK65 will have to keep his head up if Beaulieu is on the ice this year.

About Subban: for the first time in years we could say that he played great in the 3 zones because he wasn't always looking for the hit ( or the big hit ).
So we could not care less, EK65 isn't a hitter, he's soft and can't play in his own zone. Subban can. But both of them arent the best dmen in the league. Weber, Keith and Doughty are the best.
- koniglaro

Dude... with all due respek ( a la MTL), you're keeping your face up your arse. Karlsson has proven that he is better at what he does than anyone else in that position for the time being. The only reason why Subban won a Norris Trophy is because Karlsson was injured that year. You can assume Subban can play defensively, when his lack of defense awarness surpasses Karlsson's. The only difference is the fact that he has Vezina winning goaltender to back him up when he fails. Want to talk about professionalism too? One is a captain the other is an over glorified player that doesn't know how to respond to not being able to protect the net from rookie Mark Stone. On paper those two are similar players, but the leadership and personality are in two total different leagues. Hence why you can't compare both players IMO.

The discussion evolves around where Karlsson fits in relation to all other Dman. If Karlsson has a monster year and the Sens challenge Tampa.....the question we will be debating is whether Karlsson is the best player in the NHL. Over the second half of last season, I believe there was no better player on any team.
- spatso

Sens won't be anywhere near Tampa

I disagree. Beaulieu was clearly frustrated when he came back after his injury. He certainly hasn't forgot and with this new rivalry between the two teams, i can see Beaulieu going after EK.
- koniglaro

Haha let it happen. Sens are a bigger team. Remember the first series match up. How did MTL fare against Ottawa. Karlsson has no effort nor will never be scared of Beaulieu who is barely an NHLer at best. Hes got ways to catch up to any respectable defense.

Comme on le dit en français, Karlsson a gelé Beaulieu et c'était une mise en échec légale.

Troll? if saying something true is trolling - then yes I guess I am.


- Garnie

Usually things that are true aren't contradicted by statistical evidence.

As for near Tampa, the Sens would have to have a hell of a season where everything goes right combined with a season where some stuff goes badly for the Lightning for that to happen. I'm a big Sens fan, but that Lightning team is stacked. Consider what the lightning did last year despite a bit of a rough year for Bishop, Stamkos with a down year, and Drouin not making the immediate impact he was expected to. They were still up near the top of the conference. It's unlikely those three will struggle a 2nd year in a row. Maybe the young line centered by Johnson takes a step back, but any decline they see will likely be offset by Drouin improving and Stamkos raising his game.

Haha let it happen. Sens are a bigger team. Remember the first series match up. How did MTL fare against Ottawa. Karlsson has no effort nor will never be scared of Beaulieu who is barely an NHLer at best. Hes got ways to catch up to any respectable defense.

Comme on le dit en français, Karlsson a gelé Beaulieu et c'était une mise en échec légale.
- PtotheY

Was it like 3 years ago? Correct me if I'm wrong but Mtl seems to be a bigger team now. Gionta, Bouillon, Gorges, Diaz are all gone. They still have soft players like Desharnais and Plekanec but that's it. Gallagher is small but he doesn't play like a small player.

Beaulieu barely an NHLer at best? He finished the year on the top 4 in mtl. Not bad!