Vrbata might get a first if he eclipses 30 goals but getting a first for Hamhuis those days are past.
- LordHumungous

The need for defensemen is way higher than the need for wingers, league-wide. Just look at the recent contracts signed by top 4 d-men. Teams are desperate for them and Hamhuis can anchor a 2nd pairing, he's not in as much of a decline as some think he is.

I'm very afraid that WD plays Sbisa with Hamhuis and Sutter/Vrbata, which would hurt both of their trade values big time. I'd consider going Hamhuis/Tanev and Vrbata/Twins just to keep their prices high.

Really hoping we get a top 6 pick. Then deal those 2 for 1sts. If I have to hire someone for some voodoo magic to win the lottery
- mauryballstein

Realistically, I'll be happy with a pick in the 6-10 range and seeing vets sold off for picks.

Vrbata might get a first if he eclipses 30 goals but getting a first for Hamhuis those days are past.
- LordHumungous

Toronto got a 1st for Franson and Santorelli. Who were healthy scratches. Hamhuis was on Team Canada a year and a half ago. Still worth a 1st at the TDL.

Franson got a 1st plus. Hamhuis is a hell of a lot better player. He played with Weber last year and still looked okay to me.
- mauryballstein

Franson if utilized properly will consistently flirt with 40 pts/season where Hammer slowing down now will be lucky to maintain 20 pts consistently per season. Yes Hamhuis at this point is still a touch better defensively but that ain't gonna be enough to get a first I don't think. There might be a GM out there to do it but I highly doubt Hammer will get a first coming back. A 2nd and a prospect maybe but that should be about it.

Toronto got a 1st for Franson and Santorelli. Who were healthy scratches. Hamhuis was on Team Canada a year and a half ago. Still worth a 1st at the TDL.
- KB3Point0

Yeah, I honestly can't fathom Vrbata being more sought after than Hamhuis in the current market. Especially since Hamhuis likely has more quality years left as well as a dman, which is intriguing for a team that may want to try to get him signed after trading for him.

Great read, Carol!

I can't wait for this disasterous season to get under way and watch Benning & Lindens train wreck burst into a super nova fireball.

It's tuesday, right?
- Marwood

The only way that happens is if our team makes the playoffs...

Toronto got a 1st for Franson and Santorelli. Who were healthy scratches. Hamhuis was on Team Canada a year and a half ago. Still worth a 1st at the TDL.
- KB3Point0

Yes a year and a half ago. Is he worth the same today? I hear what you are saying but not sure I can get there.

Franson if utilized properly will consistently flirt with 40 pts/season where Hammer slowing down now will be lucky to maintain 20 pts consistently per season. Yes Hamhuis at this point is still a touch better defensively but that ain't gonna be enough to get a first I don't think. There might be a GM out there to do it but I highly doubt Hammer will get a first coming back. A 2nd and a prospect maybe but that should be about it.
- LordHumungous

Hamhuis' 82 game pace last year was 32 points, after coming back from a tough injury to top it off.

Franson's 82 game pace last year was 38 points.



Hamhuis is way better defensively, it's actually not even close. I'll take 6 less points and someone i can trust against a top line over a few more points. I assume most GM's would agree.

Teams would be tripping over themselves to sign Hamhuis if he was a UFA right now.

Toronto got a 1st for Franson and Santorelli. Who were healthy scratches. Hamhuis was on Team Canada a year and a half ago. Still worth a 1st at the TDL.
- KB3Point0

I can't believe this discussion is already starting....haven't we learned anything from the last few seasons about expectations on trade returns for our players.

Many have pointed out to me on here that market value doesn't dictate the return of players, only what a team is willing to give up.

Penciling in Vrbata/Hamhuis for 1sts, Higgins/Hansen/Burrows for 2nds etc. is just setting yourself up for disappointment if you are basing that on what other players of similar ilk received in return.

I can't believe this discussion is already starting....haven't we learned anything from the last few seasons about expectations on trade returns for our players.

Many have pointed out to me on here that market value doesn't dictate the return of players, only what a team is willing to give up.

Penciling in Vrbata/Hamhuis for 1sts, Higgins/Hansen/Burrows for 2nds etc. is just setting yourself up for disappointment if you are basing that on what other players of similar ilk received in return.
- belcherbd

I'd say the role players for 2nds is more of a stretch than Hamhuis for a 1st. Hamhuis for a late 1st seems like a pretty fair expectation, if Benning gets less than that it won't look good. Bieksa got a 2nd and he's not nearly as good of a player, but I'll admit that his "rep" around the league probably helped Benning's cause as clearly ANA still thinks he's a top 4 d-man.

Adding Hamhuis to a playoff-bound team is a damn good TDL upgrade. He's the kind of player that can fit onto any type of team or style of play.

I'd say the role players for 2nds is more of a stretch than Hamhuis for a 1st. Hamhuis for a late 1st seems like a pretty fair expectation, if Benning gets less than that it won't look good. Bieksa got a 2nd and he's not nearly as good of a player, but I'll admit that his "rep" around the league probably helped Benning's cause as clearly ANA still thinks he's a top 4 d-man.

Adding Hamhuis to a playoff-bound team is a damn good TDL upgrade. He's the kind of player that can fit onto any type of team or style of play.
- Nucker101

I would hope Hamhuis fetches a 1st and I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation, I just think it is first of all way to early to start planning the returns of these players and secondly way to hard to predict how trades will turn out.

I would hope Hamhuis fetches a 1st and I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation, I just think it is first of all way to early to start planning the returns of these players and secondly way to hard to predict how trades will turn out.
- belcherbd

For sure, we have no idea what the standings will look like, what injuries will hit which teams, who will be available and such.

I would hope Hamhuis fetches a 1st and I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation, I just think it is first of all way to early to start planning the returns of these players and secondly way to hard to predict how trades will turn out.
- belcherbd

I would actually love it if Hamhuis pulls a Vermette. Traded by the TDL for a first, whether its a low first I don't care. Re-signed in the off season for a decent price to keep his kids in the same schools and keep his family in BC. That's a ton to ask a player who has been around a while and who wants to stay here but for the future of the team, it makes sense. Everybody pegging our older palyers for draft picks need to look at it more realistically. Hamhuis fetching a late 1st would be great, but a high to mid second I find is more around the right price. Vrby could get us a mid to late first rounder, and the trio of Higgins/Burrows/Hansen IMO would all fetch 3rd's with the exception of Burrows possibly nabbing a 2nd. Benning doesn't have the best history of getting good value and its impossible to call what the demand will be like come Feb.

For sure, we have no idea what the standings will look like, what injuries will hit which teams, who will be available and such.
- Nucker101

Exactly right. Its tough to say what these players will fetch or what the demand will be like in February when it is only early Sept..

The need for defensemen is way higher than the need for wingers, league-wide. Just look at the recent contracts signed by top 4 d-men. Teams are desperate for them and Hamhuis can anchor a 2nd pairing, he's not in as much of a decline as some think he is.

I'm very afraid that WD plays Sbisa with Hamhuis and Sutter/Vrbata, which would hurt both of their trade values big time. I'd consider going Hamhuis/Tanev and Vrbata/Twins just to keep their prices high.
- Nucker101

+1 Again. If only you could agree with me that Horvat will be better than Bennett and we can finally say we have a lot in common

I like that you also like the idea of forecasting our players for the TDL and keeping values at an all time high. We know who we have in our system and the talent and strengths they bring, so lets expose the strengths of those who we know we want to get picks from and squeeze these other GM's for as much as possible. It's a brilliant strategy in which Benning and Linden need to do. Make these players shine and show their ceiling so we can get as much as possible for them.

It seems to be Tuesday everyday this summer.
- A_SteamingLombardi

This is one of the weirdest Tuesdays on here in some time, everyone seems to be on board and rowing in the same direction.

Franson if utilized properly will consistently flirt with 40 pts/season where Hammer slowing down now will be lucky to maintain 20 pts consistently per season. Yes Hamhuis at this point is still a touch better defensively but that ain't gonna be enough to get a first I don't think. There might be a GM out there to do it but I highly doubt Hammer will get a first coming back. A 2nd and a prospect maybe but that should be about it.
- LordHumungous

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This is one of the weirdest Tuesdays on here in some time, everyone seems to be on board and rowing in the same direction.
- A_SteamingLombardi

isn't it nice though? This has been one of the nicest threads we have had in a while. I have actually found out that my thoughts and beliefs with this team are more aligned with the canucks fans on this site than they are with my real life friends.

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- Marwood

Franson is just a bigger more expensive version of Weber. He's essentially a PP specialist and very mediocre at everything else when it comes to defending, which is the primary job of a defenseman that's not in the Norris caliber variety.

I would hope Hamhuis fetches a 1st and I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation, I just think it is first of all way to early to start planning the returns of these players and secondly way to hard to predict how trades will turn out.
- belcherbd

Ultimate scenario: We trade Hamhuis to Edmonton at the TDL for their 1st round pick. Edmonton immediately tanks and misses the playoffs finishing last in the division. Edmonton inevitably wins the first round lottery pick and we get Austin Matthews 1st overall.

Hamhuis re-signs in Vancouver at 2.5 x 3 just to keep his family here.

Hey, it could happen.

Just finished cleaning the boat and truck up; spent three days in Port Alberni for the 2015 Salmon Fest. Didn't win a damn thing and there were $55,000 dollars in total prizes

Anyways, break time! Ice cold beer and some Canucks chat! If Virtanen does make the team, assuming he's on the fourth line, does someone have to be moved for him to fit in?

Bottom six?

Higgins Horvat Hansen
Prust Vey Dorsett

Just finished cleaning the boat and truck up; spent three days in Port Alberni for the 2015 Salmon Fest. Didn't win a damn thing and there were $55,000 dollars in total prizes

Anyways, break time! Ice cold beer and some Canucks chat! If Virtanen does make the team, assuming he's on the fourth line, does someone have to be moved for him to fit in?

Bottom six?

Higgins Horvat Hansen
Prust Vey Dorsett
- LeftCoaster

I would guess Higgins, but would hope it was Vey.

Franson is just a bigger more expensive version of Weber. He's essentially a PP specialist and very mediocre at everything else when it comes to defending, which is the primary job of a defenseman that's not in the Norris caliber variety.
- LeftCoaster

It was more about the term 'utilized properly'.

It was more about the term 'utilized properly'.
- Marwood

Yeah, if anything TOR boosted his stock by giving him so many minutes.