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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 18 @ 11:44 AM ET
None of the 3 have looked bad. None the 3 have looked top 6. Laughton I'd say has impressed me. Schenn looked okay during line work but 1 on 1 he got schooled by Manning and gudas.... yeah
- Tfaehner


Getting schooled by 3rd pair dmen is not the way to make friends and influence people
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 18 @ 11:45 AM ET
Hey, if he can turn water into booze, I'll worship him!
- BiggE


Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 18 @ 11:45 AM ET
That's pretty much how it's been going.

I always get good dough for Rangers/Leafs/Penguins games.....and actually, you can throw the Wings in that group too. I've never had trouble selling off a game they are playing the Wings. Lots of Wings fans in the area for some weird reason.

- johndewar


I get good value off west coast teams as well. Blues Chicago are other good sellers
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Sep 18 @ 11:45 AM ET
So pumped. A televised game on Tuesday, camp starts today, Fall is here!

LET'S GO FLYERS!

*looks for ggunk*

- funmaster18



YES!!!

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 11:46 AM ET
That's pretty much how it's been going.

I always get good dough for Rangers/Leafs/Penguins games.....and actually, you can throw the Wings in that group too. I've never had trouble selling off a game they are playing the Wings. Lots of Wings fans in the area for some weird reason.

- johndewar


Wings fans are the NHL version of Steelers fans: they're everywhere, and they travel fairly well (not as well as TML/Habs fan, though). I would wager that, if I went to every game this year buying tix on the secondary market, it would average out to less than my STH price is.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 11:46 AM ET
Getting schooled by 3rd pair dmen is not the way to make friends and influence people
- BiggE


He's just trying to make them feel good.

And then, as soon as they start feeling good, BAM, slap shot the the balls.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 18 @ 11:47 AM ET
Wings fans are the NHL version of Steelers fans: they're everywhere, and they travel fairly well (not as well as TML/Habs fan, though). I would wager that, if I went to every game this year buying tix on the secondary market, it would average out to less than my STH price is.
- jmatchett383


I occasionally sell my STH tickets for a price and than upgrade my seats to 1st 2 rows for less than 10$ a ticket.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 18 @ 11:48 AM ET
Getting schooled by 3rd pair dmen is not the way to make friends and influence people
- BiggE


I was under the impression that they were our 4th pairing defensemen
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Sep 18 @ 11:48 AM ET
Notable line from today's scrimmage umberger - vinny - Gagner
- Tfaehner


Might be hard to read into line combos since it's a split practice today. half squad morning, half squad afternoon
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Sep 18 @ 11:48 AM ET
No one is trading for luke schenn before the season unless

A. Flyers eat half the cap hit and also send a pick.
b. Flyers take back a salary dump contract in a trade

No one wants luke schenn for 1.7 mil even if flyers eat half the cap hit without the flyers swallowing something else
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 18 @ 11:50 AM ET
Might be hard to read into line combos since it's a split practice today. half squad morning, half squad afternoon
- funmaster18


.... the entire expected flyers roster practiced this morning. The rookies prospects are practicing later. The split squad is really Phantoms and flyers honestly
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Sep 18 @ 11:52 AM ET
.... the entire expected flyers roster practiced this morning. The rookies prospects are practicing later. The split squad is really Phantoms and flyers honestly
- Tfaehner


Really? This is what Bill said in his blog:

Group A will hit the ice at 9:45 a.m. EDT with Group B slated to start at 1:00 p.m. EDT. There is no word on which players will be assigned to which group.

Maybe something changed.

EDIT: Just re-read your comment, so the first squad was pretty much the main roster?
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 18 @ 11:57 AM ET
Really? This is what Bill said in his blog:

Group A will hit the ice at 9:45 a.m. EDT with Group B slated to start at 1:00 p.m. EDT. There is no word on which players will be assigned to which group.

Maybe something changed.

EDIT: Just re-read your comment, so the first squad was pretty much the main roster?

- funmaster18


Roster this morning:
Raffl G Jake
Umberger vinny Gagner
Porter Laughton Schenn
Read coots simmonds
Vv Bellemare white

D
Streit Schultz
MDZ Medvedev
Macdonald gudas
Schenn Manning

G
Mason
Neuvirth

Gudas has looked like one the best defenseman on the ice. His passing is crisp. And he had a heck of a set up to coots who drilled one past mason.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Sep 18 @ 12:04 PM ET
So Schenn - AMac?
- jmatchett383


I think thats a fine third pair. People get too caught up in the money. Just slot the defenseman as if they all have the same salary.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Sep 18 @ 12:07 PM ET
Wings fans are the NHL version of Steelers fans: they're everywhere, and they travel fairly well (not as well as TML/Habs fan, though). I would wager that, if I went to every game this year buying tix on the secondary market, it would average out to less than my STH price is.
- jmatchett383


Thats actually a really good comparison.

Steeler fans are the worst though. For some reason their reputation isn't as bad as Eagles fans, but they're way worse.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 18 @ 12:09 PM ET
No one is trading for luke schenn before the season unless

A. Flyers eat half the cap hit and also send a pick.
b. Flyers take back a salary dump contract in a trade

No one wants luke schenn for 1.7 mil even if flyers eat half the cap hit without the flyers swallowing something else

- Just5


Don't be so sure.

1.) Fat Schenn's salary isn't THAT bad.
2.) He's still reasonably young
3.) He's right handed.
4.) He is a physical presence.
5.) His first pass out of the zone isn't a complete bomb.
6.) He's considered a "good guy in the room" by all accounts.
7.) His contract expires at the end of this year.

He's not what he was drafted to be, but there are much worse out there. And I am FAR from being a supporter of either Schenn brother.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Sep 18 @ 12:10 PM ET
Great job by this guy last night. Choked up another one.


- PLindbergh31

I can't believe how (frank)ing stupid he was to run that ball
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Sep 18 @ 12:10 PM ET
Roster this morning:
Raffl G Jake
Umberger vinny Gagner
Porter Laughton Schenn
Read coots simmonds
Vv Bellemare white

D
Streit Schultz
MDZ Medvedev
Macdonald gudas
Schenn Manning

G
Mason
Neuvirth

Gudas has looked like one the best defenseman on the ice. His passing is crisp. And he had a heck of a set up to coots who drilled one past mason.

- Tfaehner


Huh. Yeah, it's Day 1, but three of those lines and the D-pairings sure smell like something the coach is looking to roll with, don't they?

Doesn't mean there won't be changes, but man, those D-pairings might be exactly how they break camp, and L1, plus Couturier's and Bellemare's line...just don't know how much those change. Really don't think they will, TBH

To me, I wonder if it might be as simple as Hakstol isn't sure about just five guys, to varying degrees: B. Schenn, Laughton, Umberger, Wheels and Gagner
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 12:11 PM ET
Thats actually a really good comparison.

Steeler fans are the worst though. For some reason their reputation isn't as bad as Eagles fans, but they're way worse.

- PhillySportsGuy


I beg to differ. We don't "beertality" people and tear up 10-year-old's Packers cheese heads.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Sep 18 @ 12:12 PM ET
Don't be so sure.

1.) Fat Schenn's salary isn't THAT bad.
2.) He's still reasonably young
3.) He's right handed.
4.) He is a physical presence.
5.) His first pass out of the zone isn't a complete bomb.
6.) He's considered a "good guy in the room" by all accounts.
7.) His contract expires at the end of this year.

He's not what he was drafted to be, but there are much worse out there. And I am FAR from being a supporter of either Schenn brother.

- johndewar


Someone would definitely trade for Luke at the deadline
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 12:13 PM ET
Huh. Yeah, it's Day 1, but three of those lines and the D-pairings sure smell like something the coach is looking to roll with, don't they?

Doesn't mean there won't be changes, but man, those D-pairings might be exactly how they break camp, and L1, plus Couturier's and Bellemare's line...just don't know how much those change. Really don't think they will, TBH

To me, I wonder if it might be as simple as Hakstol isn't sure about just five guys, to varying degrees: B. Schenn, Laughton, Umberger, Wheels and Gagner

- AllInForFlyers


Although some spots should be earned or merit, I'm hoping Porter won't be in the top-9.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 18 @ 12:14 PM ET
Don't be so sure.

1.) Fat Schenn's salary isn't THAT bad.
2.) He's still reasonably young
3.) He's right handed.
4.) He is a physical presence.
5.) His first pass out of the zone isn't a complete bomb.
6.) He's considered a "good guy in the room" by all accounts.
7.) His contract expires at the end of this year.

He's not what he was drafted to be, but there are much worse out there. And I am FAR from being a supporter of either Schenn brother.

- johndewar

It's pretty hilarious to see people think Luke has zero value.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Sep 18 @ 12:15 PM ET
Although some spots should be earned or merit, I'm hoping Porter won't be in the top-9.
- jmatchett383


Absolutely -- I didn't list him. I'd be stunned if he broke camp with them

Not saying he won't get some games, but with Wheels on an NMC, I'd be stunned if there was room for Porter in Game 1
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 18 @ 12:19 PM ET
Huh. Yeah, it's Day 1, but three of those lines and the D-pairings sure smell like something the coach is looking to roll with, don't they?

Doesn't mean there won't be changes, but man, those D-pairings might be exactly how they break camp, and L1, plus Couturier's and Bellemare's line...just don't know how much those change. Really don't think they will, TBH

To me, I wonder if it might be as simple as Hakstol isn't sure about just five guys, to varying degrees: B. Schenn, Laughton, Umberger, Wheels and Gagner

- AllInForFlyers


I think they are fighting for third line those 5. I don't think he believes vinny is effective in a 4th line role he's top 9 or press box. Porter I believe is just a fit for left wing needed to fill out the 5 lines. Big question is if Schenn and Gagner can both only be effective in a top 9 role at right wing. Where do they go if the other 3 lines are set?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 12:20 PM ET
Absolutely -- I didn't list him. I'd be stunned if he broke camp with them

Not saying he won't get some games, but with Wheels on an NMC, I'd be stunned if there was room for Porter in Game 1

- AllInForFlyers


Well, I figure that Raffl, Giroux, Voracek, Schenn, Read, Couturier, and Simmonds are locks to make the team. I figure that Gagner and Umberger are virtual locks. That means that only 3 of Vinny, Porter, Laughton, VdV, Bellemare, and White can round out the lineup (assuming no one from the other group impresses). That's a hefty task.
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