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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Sep 18 @ 12:23 PM ET
I beg to differ. We don't "beertality" people and tear up 10-year-old's Packers cheese heads.
- jmatchett383


Steeler fans are Eagles fans but with a historically great franchise.

Their fans ridicule other teams for having criminals on the roster, but are very quick to forgive Roethlisberger after he allegedly sexually assaulted two women. James Harrison also acknowledged he beat his girlfriend, but he's paraded around as if nothing happened. Their owners, the Rooney's, are viewed as being very progressive and having great morals, yet they continue to employ several players with a violent history against women. And, their fans are just the worst. They won't even acknowledge that their greatest dynasty was built through rampant steroid use.

They won a Super Bowl and consistently make the playoffs under Mike Tomlin, but they want him fired because the team doesn't player "Steeler Football" (And because he's black).

They're the worst.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 18 @ 12:23 PM ET
Well, I figure that Raffl, Giroux, Voracek, Schenn, Read, Couturier, and Simmonds are locks to make the team. I figure that Gagner and Umberger are virtual locks. That means that only 3 of Vinny, Porter, Laughton, VdV, Bellemare, and White can round out the lineup (assuming no one from the other group impresses). That's a hefty task.
- jmatchett383


I was surprised to not see umberger - Schenn - Gagner. Porter - Laughton - vinny
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Sep 18 @ 12:25 PM ET
It's pretty hilarious to see people think Luke has zero value.
- hereticpride


It's be better if he had zero value. He has negative value as it is
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 18 @ 12:28 PM ET
It's pretty hilarious to see people think Luke has zero value.
- hereticpride



The same source claimed that the Flyers couldn't trade Grossmann.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Sep 18 @ 12:30 PM ET
I was surprised to not see umberger - Schenn - Gagner. Porter - Laughton - vinny
- Tfaehner


That's more what I was getting at. Yes, it's Day 1, but it's just a little odd to me where Porter was, because Lord knows Schenn really needs to be playing with people who he is likely going to play with in the regular season

Again: That guy's inconsistency drives me insane. And I don't know that he's a long-term solution to anything

But at the same time, it's always these little things where his defenders can reasonably ask if he gets put in the best situations.

I mean, come on. Yes, it's camp. It's Day 1. But does Schenn really need to be on a practice line with Chris Porter? It's hard to see how that helps him. Maybe it doesn't hurt Schenn. Fine.

But does it help him? I don't see how that does
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Sep 18 @ 12:30 PM ET
The same source claimed that the Flyers couldn't trade Grossmann.
- MJL


Yea they traded for a player who was about to get bought out. I'd argue Pronger likely was the more valuable piece to them in the deal because of how much he helped getting to the floor
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 18 @ 12:37 PM ET
Yea they traded for a player who was about to get bought out. I'd argue Pronger likely was the more valuable piece to them in the deal because of how much he helped getting to the floor
- Just5



Rumours are rumours. Gagner is not a player who had no value. The Flyers were able to move the Pronger contract, and get a decent offensive player, for a defenseman who many claim wasn't very good.

3.6M for a defenseman of Schenn caliber is not even remotely a big cap number. Due to the fact that he's in the last year of his deal, his value will be even higher at the trade deadline, if the Flyers decide to be a seller.

Your claims that Schenn would be difficult to trade, or has negative value, is as false as the claims you made previously regarding the Flyers ability to trade Grossmann.
flyguy12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 10.22.2006

Sep 18 @ 1:03 PM ET
Camp is finally here!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 1:04 PM ET
That's more what I was getting at. Yes, it's Day 1, but it's just a little odd to me where Porter was, because Lord knows Schenn really needs to be playing with people who he is likely going to play with in the regular season

Again: That guy's inconsistency drives me insane. And I don't know that he's a long-term solution to anything

But at the same time, it's always these little things where his defenders can reasonably ask if he gets put in the best situations.

I mean, come on. Yes, it's camp. It's Day 1. But does Schenn really need to be on a practice line with Chris Porter? It's hard to see how that helps him. Maybe it doesn't hurt Schenn. Fine.

But does it help him? I don't see how that does

- AllInForFlyers


Also the point I was trying to make. I know you've got to try different things and accommodate players, but I don't know why you'd put Porter on that line.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 18 @ 1:08 PM ET
Are we really supposed to be bad this year? Vegas has us at the bottom 4 in the league.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 1:09 PM ET
Are we really supposed to be bad this year? Vegas has us at the bottom 4 in the league.
- 2Real


I already took off for June 15th, 2016 for the parade.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 18 @ 1:11 PM ET
Also the point I was trying to make. I know you've got to try different things and accommodate players, but I don't know why you'd put Porter on that line.
- jmatchett383


Cause he's a LW and the coach seems to view BSchenn as a RW, so he put him on the RW. If he's going to be a RW this season then playing that position from the start of camp should help him.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 18 @ 1:13 PM ET
I don't recognize one kid on the ice right now. Ghost maybe.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 18 @ 1:14 PM ET
Are we really supposed to be bad this year? Vegas has us at the bottom 4 in the league.
- 2Real


They had the 49ers in last place to start the season..as they romped the Vikings 20-3 who somehow were 16th?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 18 @ 1:14 PM ET
I already took off for June 15th, 2016 for the parade.
- jmatchett383

How is the airfair to Tampa looking?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 1:25 PM ET
I don't recognize one kid on the ice right now. Ghost maybe.
- hereticpride


The really tall guy is Morin.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 1:27 PM ET
Cause he's a LW and the coach seems to view BSchenn as a RW, so he put him on the RW. If he's going to be a RW this season then playing that position from the start of camp should help him.
- Feanor


Ah...so he's got Schenn slated to be on the 4th line, since he's got that line together from the start of camp to help them gel? If you're gonna slot players where you expect them to play, you should also have them playing with players you expect them to play with.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 18 @ 1:32 PM ET
The really tall guy is Morin.
- jmatchett383

Yeah, they changed sides two minutes after my post and I immediately recognized like 5 guys.
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Sep 18 @ 1:33 PM ET
Are we really supposed to be bad this year? Vegas has us at the bottom 4 in the league.
- 2Real


There's an easy way to make them pay if you think they are wrong... I'm sure someone will give you odds that the Flyers make the playoffs if you wanted.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 18 @ 1:33 PM ET
Ah...so he's got Schenn slated to be on the 4th line, since he's got that line together from the start of camp to help them gel? If you're gonna slot players where you expect them to play, you should also have them playing with players you expect them to play with.
- jmatchett383


Brayden Schenn could very well be playing RW with Laughton as his center when the regular season starts, and that would not be the 4th line. But there are two games on Monday night so the top players are spread over six lines at the moment.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 18 @ 1:33 PM ET
Chara only did 37 pull ups at the Bruins fitness trials. He's finally slowing down.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 1:34 PM ET
Chara only did 37 pull ups at the Bruins fitness trials. He's finally slowing down.
- PLindbergh31


Well, his feet touch the ground when he's doing them.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Sep 18 @ 1:35 PM ET
porter rules.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 1:35 PM ET
Brayden Schenn could very well be playing RW with Laughton as his center when the regular season starts. But there are two games on Monday night so the top players are spread over six lines at the moment.
- Feanor


SO he's just haphazardly throwing players together now? Even if they split squads, I'd think that Hakstal would like to keep the lines close to what they may be come the regular season. If you have too many RW/LW on the roster, then someone has to move.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 18 @ 1:37 PM ET
Well, his feet touch the ground when he's doing them.
- jmatchett383


Morin is only 2 inches shorter than Chara. He must be able to do at least 80 considering he's much lighter, and younger.
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