Can't argue with that logic.

Babcock will snap at the media at some point, it's inevitable.
- Scabeh

i always hoped Torts would end up in Toronto.

How's Clarkson doing with the CBJ this preseason? He get suspended yet?

I still to this day get pain once and awhile, the surgeon said it is scare tissue that falls into the kidney, anything that touches your kidney will hurt quite a bit.

A have three scars where they inserted the tubes on my kidney area, it is still tender and the surgery was in 2007. The alternative before was removal of kidney, the surgery I had was relatively new and only done by a handful of surgeons in Ontario.
- LeafMan

gah.. i do not envy you when it comes to this

How's Clarkson doing with the CBJ this preseason? He get suspended yet?
- ThePresident

Water bottles are full and well protected...

But ya see....thats why Bozak would be traded before the 1st game of the season
- ThePresident

Even trading Bozak - Leafs still have a bunch of C's

He will get games, might even be at the start of the season.
- LeafMan

i honestly dont think so LM

barring injuries.

Probably because he's good.

My guess anyway.
- Pecafan Fan

at offense

needs to round out his game still

We have about 14 other c's at camp that are men already....we're going to try and dress them up and put on some lipstick and trade them for future pieces to help Nylander


- Garnie

Got to get this idea out of your head they will get something good out of these PTO players at the DL. Every team has PTO's at camp, the Leafs will get 6 and 7th rounders if anything for them, we will get nothing out of those picks that we don't already have in the system now.

can't attend pro-hockey camp... he's going to US College.

it would ruin his eligibility - US Colleage/NCAA has stupid rules. Same rules the identify OHL, QMJHL and WHL players as "professional".
- BorjeFan4Ever

Interesting, didn't know that...and what about a guy like Andreas Johnson from Sweden...I know he said he plans on staying in Sweden for the upcoming season...but could he have been invited? I think it would benefit a lot of these guys that would otherwise not be used to the NHL game.

Can't argue with that logic.

Babcock will snap at the media at some point, it's inevitable.
- Scabeh

probably.. .but who cares.

No one should expect or tolerate having every move and decision critiqued by a bunch of blow-hard no-nothings.

I don't know why - and have never understood why - the players and coaches tolerate the insanely stupid questions that they are asked.

Think back to the Burke-Simmons interaction when Burke was 'relieved of duties'. You have got to believe that Burke would have had less criticism from the rest of the doinks if he called Simmons out publicly earlier on.

Got to get this idea out of your head they will get something good out of these PTO players at the DL. Every team has PTO's at camp, the Leafs will get 6 and 7th rounders if anything for them, we will get nothing out of those picks that we don't already have in the system now.
- LeafMan

yes.. but it keeps the kids on the marlies where they belong

you dont want to subject them to the environment the leafs are gonna be in this year.. nowhere nears mature enough to handle it

at offense

needs to round out his game still
- Dozzer

You're wasting your time. This is the whole don't want to rush prospects, but (frank) me he's a prospect get him in thing all over again. Happens annually.

at offense

needs to round out his game still
- Dozzer

Obviously.



But we can agree that the same thing could be said about a bunch of NHLers currently on the Leafs roster.

My kids had stomach issues - day 16 - finally heading to see somebody in Ottawa after numerous trips to the hospital
- Garnie

I hope the kid is OK, that is scary.

how can he deserve a spot 3 minutes into training camp? what you're talking about is not a player earning or forcing his way into the lineup. you're talking about entitlement.
- DoubleDown

Yeah but Pecafan guesses that he's good. That should be enough.

Obviously.



But we can agree that the same thing could be said about a bunch of NHLers currently on the Leafs roster.
- Pecafan Fan

All the more reason to stop it from continuing by properly developing the new players when they're still <20.

Got to get this idea out of your head they will get something good out of these PTO players at the DL. Every team has PTO's at camp, the Leafs will get 6 and 7th rounders if anything for them, we will get nothing out of those picks that we don't already have in the system now.
- LeafMan

We don't know that for sure

Winnik
Santo

Last year, this year I like Matthias being a good candidate

Just my opinion - Shanahan said they were going to build smart and let the young guys learn the game in the A or ECHL etc why all of a sudden change course

Yeah but Pecafan guesses that he's good. That should be enough.
- 1979AD

Hey I'm not saying he'll be in the lineup. But those convinced that he is, probably say that because they believe he's good enough. No?

Whatever, I think he should get at least a few games early on and see how he looks.

It's not something that will end up costing the Leafs their season anyway, is it?

probably.. .but who cares.

No one should expect or tolerate having every move and decision critiqued by a bunch of blow-hard no-nothings.

I don't know why - and have never understood why - the players and coaches tolerate the insanely stupid questions that they are asked.

Think back to the Burke-Simmons interaction when Burke was 'relieved of duties'. You have got to believe that Burke would have had less criticism from the rest of the doinks if he called Simmons out publicly earlier on.
- BorjeFan4Ever

lol, you can see it in Babcock's facial expressions....like are they really (frank)ing asking me this question with an obvious answer? It really is quite sad how much these reporters follow this team, when you actually put it into perspective...it's a hockey team.

probably.. .but who cares.

No one should expect or tolerate having every move and decision critiqued by a bunch of blow-hard no-nothings.

I don't know why - and have never understood why - the players and coaches tolerate the insanely stupid questions that they are asked.

Think back to the Burke-Simmons interaction when Burke was 'relieved of duties'. You have got to believe that Burke would have had less criticism from the rest of the doinks if he called Simmons out publicly earlier on.
- BorjeFan4Ever

That's not a nice thing to say about Damien Cox. He's just trying to feed his family.

Yeah but Pecafan guesses that he's good. That should be enough.
- 1979AD

he looks like he's going to be a player, no doubt. and i'm not even saying i don't think he makes the Leafs. but to say that he's already earned a spot in the NHL? i don't see how.

Got to get this idea out of your head they will get something good out of these PTO players at the DL. Every team has PTO's at camp, the Leafs will get 6 and 7th rounders if anything for them, we will get nothing out of those picks that we don't already have in the system now.
- LeafMan

Correct. The PTO's are seat-fillers, not assets. There is a slim chance a seat filler shows a little extra and garners a return and that would be great but thats about it.

I hope the kid is OK, that is scary.
- LeafMan

I'm going to snap today if they don't get it figured out

Tabernac

yes.. but it keeps the kids on the marlies where they belong

you dont want to subject them to the environment the leafs are gonna be in this year.. nowhere nears mature enough to handle it
- Dozzer

He will get games, using defensive issues is a crock, the whole team has defensive issues, the system is being learned by all, even the marlies are learning it to start the season, on one has a step on each other in this regard.

lol, you can see it in Babcock's facial expressions....like are they really (frank)ing asking me this question with an obvious answer? It really is quite sad how much these reporters follow this team, when you actually put it into perspective...it's a hockey team.
- ThePresident

This one?


Or this one?