So we can't call Kane a rapist (who did) without evidence/charges.... But by all means call the accuser an extorshonist without evidence?


Don't they both deserve the same?
- burn

Here ye here ye!!!


On this 23rd day of September, in the year of 2015, I, sir Robin_Steele officially agree with Burn.


Let news of this spread throughout the land.

For a guy who went absolutely ape-poop on me last year for having the temerity to suggest that women won't play in the NHL, you sure have changed your overall tune on gender issues.
- Atomic Wedgie

for me it really does boil down to one simple fact

he has not been charged.

it starts and ends there for me. if the police charge him, okay, then the story will hold water for me because that will mean there is something viable enough for the police to take action.
- Dozzer

I was kind of with you on the bottom line view.
If the rape kit really was dropped off anonymously at the alleged victim's mother's house, then I have a lot more questions as to how the whole investigation has been handled.

How can we possibly trust or believe in a process that would allow that to happen and so my bottom-line view of this just got a whole lot cloudier.

Here ye here ye!!!


On this 23rd day of September, in the year of 2015, I, sir Robin_Steele officially agree with Burn.


Let news of this spread throughout the land.
- robin_steele264

I don't understand how this happens. I don't think it makes the woman or her lawyer look bad. I think it definitely calls into question how fair the whole process is. There is no way they can argue that the chain of custody wasn't broken. The whole thing really stinks.
- Aetherial

Yeah, as I said, I didn't actually see the presser - just going off of a news story that the Buffalo News has thrown up as quickly as they could - so I don't want to over-react.

But if the allegations are true, it really does call into question the impartiality of the police force.

... Jagr says "I don't care" rolls over and goes back to bed.
- Schennski

Youre defending him... that's not right either.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

i am not defending him at all

i am simply speaking the truth

he has not been charged, therefore i refuse to assume guilt as you have

I was kind of with you on the bottom line view.
If the rape kit really was dropped off anonymously at the alleged victim's mother's house, then I have a lot more questions as to how the whole investigation has been handled.

How can we possibly trust or believe in a process that would allow that to happen and so my bottom-line view of this just got a whole lot cloudier.
- Aetherial

Got to wonder if that was the end game of this anonymous drop off.

For a guy who went absolutely ape-poop on me last year for having the temerity to suggest that women won't play in the NHL, you sure have changed your overall tune on gender issues.
- Atomic Wedgie

whoa

i was describing a frequent scenario

i was in no way suggesting that all women do this

but yes, there are girls and guys who try to extort money from the wealthy.. its nothing new

jesus you guys are so extremist today

Nylander Gardiner "impress"?...though their goal was nice, I'm looking for overall effort and play and don't see Nylander being ready...and Gardiner really needs to focus on his defensive weaknesses. Still showing too many mental mistakes.

... Jagr says "I don't care" rolls over and goes back to bed.
- Schennski

Perhaps I'm just a little too jaded in these hyper-social media days, but a small part of me thinks that the whole Jagr extortion story was made up, to benefit both of them.

Is Jagr married?

I"m not actually watching the press conference, but from what I read on the Buffalo News, you are jumping to conclusions.

http://www.buffalonews.co...k-kane-rape-case-20150923

Multiple leaks to media have occurred and are “troublesome to say the least,” said Thomas J. Eoannou, the attorney who represents the woman who alleges she was raped by Chicago Blackhawks hockey star Patrick Kane.

Allegedly, the rape kit evidence bag was anonymously delivered to the address of the accuser’s mother. Eoannou said in his 30-plus years as an attorney, he has never seen an evidence bag outside a police lab, courtroom or legal office, and he wants the person to come forward and cooperate about “how on earth this could have happened.”

“This is a classic example of why rape victims don’t come forward,” he said.

“It was never my intention to comment or try this case in the media,” Eoannou said.

Eoannou said the DA’s office has been notified and has complete confidence that what happened with the evidence will be properly looked into.



Sounds to me like he is criticizing the Buffalo police, not Kane.

And he's absolutely correct (if the allegations are true): dropping off the rape kit bag at the victim's house is not only bizarre, it's a clear case of trying to intimidate someone.
- Atomic Wedgie

So Buffalo's finest decided to embarrass/shame the accuser and/or create reasons for an acquittal or mistrial!? The article also mentions that Kane hired an off duty police lieutenant to be his chauffeur that evening. This is kind of upsetting.

So we can't call Kane a rapist (who did) without evidence/charges.... But by all means call the accuser an extorshonist without evidence?


Don't they both deserve the same?
- burn

she is accusing without merit or the police would have charged him by now

Perhaps I'm just a little too jaded in these hyper-social media days, but a small part of me thinks that the whole Jagr extortion story was made up, to benefit both of them.

Is Jagr married?
- Atomic Wedgie

no

whoa

i was describing a frequent scenario

i was in no way suggesting that all women do this

but yes, there are girls and guys who try to extort money from the wealthy.. its nothing new

jesus you guys are so extremist today
- Dozzer

Would it be fair to say that the percentage of women trying to extort money through false rape allegations is lower than the percentage of women who are actually raped?

i am not defending him at all

i am simply speaking the truth

he has not been charged, therefore i refuse to assume guilt as you have
- Dozzer

I didn't assume guilt (at least not guilty of rape). Given his past, I did assume some sort of assault took place but had no idea how serious it was or to what degree.

Now, I'm more suspicious.

Perhaps I'm just a little too jaded in these hyper-social media days, but a small part of me thinks that the whole Jagr extortion story was made up, to benefit both of them.

Is Jagr married?
- Atomic Wedgie

He's married to hockey. That's it.

Perhaps I'm just a little too jaded in these hyper-social media days, but a small part of me thinks that the whole Jagr extortion story was made up, to benefit both of them.

Is Jagr married?
- Atomic Wedgie

No, he's single and her significant other is a Czech Jr player is the official narrative. Definitely an opportunity for her to gain some exposure and advance her modeling career and for him to look awesome in every way imaginable.

Would it be fair to say that the percentage of women trying to extort money through false rape allegations is lower than the percentage of women who are actually raped?
- Atomic Wedgie

absolutely.

but women who have actually been raped dont typically make a circus of finding justice.

she is accusing without merit or the police would have charged him by now
- Dozzer

Really.

she is accusing without merit or the police would have charged him by now
- Dozzer

I assume you are not wholly serious and are just taking a hardline stance against people who are convinced he is guilty.

I didn't assume guilt (at least not guilty of rape). Given his past, I did assume some sort of assault took place but had no idea how serious it was or to what degree.

Now, I'm more suspicious.
- Aetherial

i have seen this story play out a thousand times

girl and guy get wasted, make a poor decision, and in her regret she tries to pin it on him instead of taking responsibility for her own actions.

thats my guess. .. its what it sounds like anyways

Guys we are going to keep this Kane case out of the Leafs thread, I will start to delete all comments on it following this warning.

I assume you are not wholly serious and are just taking a hardline stance against people who are convinced he is guilty.
- Aetherial

no.. when it comes to stuff like this i assume the professional criminal investigators know a poop ton more about this type of thing then we know collectively.

Guys we are going to keep this Kane case out of the Leafs thread, I will start to delete all comments on it following this warning.
- LeafMan

Go leafs go!! Go leafs go!!