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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.24.2008

Sep 24 @ 2:12 AM ET


This concludes 50 shades of Bushkorn
TaroTsujimoto
Location: Fire Everybody!, NY
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Sep 24 @ 2:30 AM ET
You still doing that fantasy hockey thing or nah
- Herzeleid

Nah, I had a few people ask me to join theirs (to try and save teams) and I was two short.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 07.27.2007

Sep 24 @ 5:52 AM ET


I left mom a gift by the washer

- homiedclown


Was it these line combinations?

Tonight's lineup (via WGR's Paul Hamilton):

Evander Kane, Ryan O'Reilly, Tyler Ennis
Jamie McGinn, Sam Reinhart, Brian Gionta
Jerry D'Amigo, Eric Cornel, Nicholas Baptiste
Evan Rodrigues, David Legwand, Jason Akeson

Guhle, Josh Gorges,
Carlo Colaiacovo, Chad Ruhwedel
Jerome Leduc, Matt Donovan



Look again carefully at that. The only thing I can make any sense out of that for a preseason home opener is that it represents an effort to mange fan expectations.
SabresFaninIndiana
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Sep 24 @ 6:50 AM ET
Homie needs to be banned.
Sabresfan-365
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Sep 24 @ 7:45 AM ET




Gauthier-Leduc
stashu
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Sep 24 @ 7:50 AM ET




Gauthier-Leduc

- Sabresfan-365


I don't follow analytics, can you explain?
Sabresfan-365
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Joined: 12.09.2012

Sep 24 @ 7:56 AM ET
I don't follow analytics, can you explain?
- stashu



Pretty self explanatory, closer the player is to "good" on that scale the better and vice versa.

x axis is shots for while player was on the ice, y axis shots against while player was on the ice.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
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Sep 24 @ 7:58 AM ET




Gauthier-Leduc

- Sabresfan-365


I am not understanding your conclusion on Leduc...he is not
The ice for high amount of shots for, and moderate amount of shots against.
The farther right and top you are the better, right?
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Sep 24 @ 8:00 AM ET
Pretty self explanatory, closer the player is to "good" on that scale the better and vice versa.

x axis is shots for while player was on the ice, y axis shots against while player was on the ice.

- Sabresfan-365


I saw the labels, but just get distracted by the imagery I guess.
IndianaSabresFan
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Joined: 01.17.2007

Sep 24 @ 8:06 AM ET
I am not understanding your conclusion on Leduc...he is not
The ice for high amount of shots for, and moderate amount of shots against.
The farther right and top you are the better, right?

- IonSabres

its all a bunch of crap that means very little.. the puck was shot a lot while he was on the ice.. what does it matter if 90% of them were dump in type plays that accidentally hit the net? or what if he just had a lot of PP time? or what if he had one skate on the ice getting off every time a shot was taken? granted i really have no clue what type of shots he took.

edit: but that is a lot of shots while he was on the ice. Guhle too (2, to)

edit 2: i see that it is only 5v5 shots so scratch the PP time comment
Sabresfan-365
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Sep 24 @ 8:07 AM ET
I am not understanding your conclusion on Leduc...he is not
The ice for high amount of shots for, and moderate amount of shots against.
The farther right and top you are the better, right?

- IonSabres



Wasn't a conclusion, was surprised
Sabresfan-365
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Sep 24 @ 8:15 AM ET
its all a bunch of crap that means very little.. the puck was shot a lot while he was on the ice.. what does it matter if 90% of them were dump in type plays that accidentally hit the net? or what if he just had a lot of PP time? or what if he had one skate on the ice getting off every time a shot was taken? granted i really have no clue what type of shots he took.

edit: but that is a lot of shots while he was on the ice. Guhle too (2, to)

- IndianaSabresFan



That chart is 5 on 5 only so this wouldn't matter. Im sure there are variables but not enough that would move him to the other side of the chart
TheSabresTaco
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Sep 24 @ 8:21 AM ET




Gauthier-Leduc

- Sabresfan-365


This simple analysis tells us Guhle will be good, and for some reason JGL was.. good? This of course doesn't tell the entire story, but this graphic tells us they both played well.
IndianaSabresFan
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Joined: 01.17.2007

Sep 24 @ 8:29 AM ET
That chart is 5 on 5 only so this wouldn't matter. Im sure there are variables but not enough that would move him to the other side of the chart
- Sabresfan-365

yeah.. see edit #2..
TheSabresTaco
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Sep 24 @ 8:32 AM ET
I am not understanding your conclusion on Leduc...he is not
The ice for high amount of shots for, and moderate amount of shots against.
The farther right and top you are the better, right?

- IonSabres


You want to be top right. You don't want to be bottom left. Your high end talent should be top right and your 4th liners should be top left.

Fixed.
Der Kaiser
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Sep 24 @ 8:40 AM ET
This simple analysis tells us Guhle will be good, and for some reason JGL was.. good? This of course doesn't tell the entire story, but this graphic tells us they both played well.
- TheSabresTaco

It tells us the team played well often when they were on the ice. That a looser correlation, and not necessarily causal.
buffalofan19
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Sep 24 @ 8:41 AM ET
You want to be bottom right. You don't want to be top left. Your high end talent should be bottom right and your 4th liners should be top right.
- TheSabresTaco



The y-axis is an inverted scale. I think you want to be top-right.

That's why bottom right is labeled "fun". It's basically end to end.
TheSabresTaco
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Sep 24 @ 8:46 AM ET
The y-axis is an inverted scale. I think you want to be top-right.

That's why bottom right is labeled "fun". It's basically end to end.

- buffalofan19


Fixed.
IndianaSabresFan
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Sep 24 @ 8:47 AM ET
You want to be top right. You don't want to be bottom left. Your high end talent should be top right and your 4th liners should be top left.

Fixed.

- TheSabresTaco

you want all your players along the top..

but i see you edited. so i am going home
SABRES 89
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Sep 24 @ 8:48 AM ET
Pretty self explanatory, closer the player is to "good" on that scale the better and vice versa.

x axis is shots for while player was on the ice, y axis shots against while player was on the ice.

- Sabresfan-365

Can we define " good "
HonkFortheGoose
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Sep 24 @ 8:49 AM ET
It's kind of funny to me that we lost the game 5-2, but had the first star of the game.
buffalofan19
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Sep 24 @ 8:50 AM ET
Can we define " good "
- SABRES 89



I love the fact that the bottom right is designated as "fun".
SABRES 89
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Sep 24 @ 8:52 AM ET
I love the fact that the bottom right is designated as "fun".
- buffalofan19

I noticed that also but i'm not a big numbers and charts guy.
IndianaSabresFan
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Sep 24 @ 8:52 AM ET
Can we define " good "
- SABRES 89


1good
adjective \ˈgu̇d\
: of high quality

: of somewhat high but not excellent quality

: correct or proper
buffalofan19
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Sep 24 @ 8:57 AM ET
I noticed that also but i'm not a big numbers and charts guy.
- SABRES 89



"Good" pretty much means that you are on the ice for far more shots for than shots against.

"Bad" means the opposite.

"Dull" means that when you're on the ice, your team never shoots, nor gets shot against. In other words, nothing happens, good or bad.

"Fun" means that when you are on the ice, your team has a lot of shots for and shots against. It's basically either run-and-gun or a cluster(frank).
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