Do we know for sure? No, of course not. Where would I put my money? Not even close. The track record for #2 overall picks is pretty damn good.

Either way, it wasn't like the statement hinged on Reinhart. He is one of 6 very very good players that we brought in.
- Slump Buster

In his defense, Grigo was slated to go top 3-5 if I remember correctly.

In his defense, Grigo was slated to go top 3-5 if I remember correctly.
- thatsapickle

true.

In his defense, Grigo was slated to go top 3-5 if I remember correctly.
- thatsapickle

The world is littered with talented but flawed players that were taken lower because of the flaws. Seeing as more than a dozen teams passed on him he probably went where he should have.

The world is littered with talented but flawed players that were taken lower because of the flaws. Seeing as more than a dozen teams passed on him he probably went where he should have.
- Slump Buster

And the 2014 draft is known as a weaker draft class than most. Sam reinhart is not your prototypical 2nd overall pick

And the 2014 draft is known as a weaker draft class than most. Sam reinhart is not your prototypical 2nd overall pick
- sbroads24

So he goes 3 or 4 in another year (maybe)? The track record is still very good for top 5 picks.

Too bad those of us that actually speak proper English know that "yourself" is one word and would not require the use of 2 letters the way he used it.
- HonkFortheGoose

It is what it is laziness

So he goes 3 or 4 in another year (maybe)? The track record is still very good for top 5 picks.
- Slump Buster

I'm not debating Reinhart's ability, while I have serious doubts that he is even the 2nd or 3rd best forward in his class, I do believe he will be very good.

What I'm debating, and what I have always said is that I think we tend to discount the players we traded away as if we already have their career paths mapped out.

I'm pretty sure your generation took it literally .
- cabin

and they are taking the country with them

It is what it is laziness
- gerbe75pts

you not think well...

lazines is doing less. putting two letters for yourself is doing extra therefore not being lazy..

it is what it is Stupidity is what you should have said

What I'm debating, and what I have always said is that I think we tend to discount the players we traded away as if we already have their career paths mapped out.
- sbroads24

To a small degree, I can agree, but overall, I don't think so.

We were hopeful that Armia could be a top line winger. All evidence is to the contrary so far.

Ditto Grigorenko being a top 2 line center or even top line center, and again, all evidence to the contrary to this point.

It's always a challenge trading away what could be for a known quantity.

The fact that Murray got known quantities (the degree of the known, meaning how great you think the players are that he got, is to each individual to determine) that are young and their ages tie in nicely to the age of the young drafted talent on the team and those coming up from the farm is the most important thing to note to me.

Let's do this another way with the players Buffalo traded away (those that have either played in the NHL already or were drafted prior to the 2015 draft.

Myers: Hope = Number 1 D, Reality = Number 2/Number 3 D, Middle Ground = Number 2 D

Zadorov: Hope = Part of the twin towers as top pairing D with Ristolainen for years to come, Reality = High end Number 3/2nd pairing D, Middle Ground = Number 2/3 D

Armia: Hope = Top Line RW, Reality = 3rd line RW, Middle Ground = 2nd line RW

Lemieux: Hope = 2nd line impact forward (phyiscal and scoring), Reality = 3rd line pest whose scoring won't translate to the NHL level, Middle Ground = 3rd line forward that could play spot duty on the 2nd line

Compher: Hope = All out effort player like Drury who could play in all situations on the 2nd and 3rd line, Reality = bottom 6 player who will never score consistently enough to play a top 6 role, Middle Ground = key 3rd line forward

The picks are where it becomes muddled, but I think I would rather have O'Reilly, Kane, Bogosian, and Eichel over the group above, and I say that fully believing the trade with the Jets was crucial to Buffalo finishing in last.

What's the word on risto these days

Is the game televised or streamed? Anyone got a link?

you not think well...

lazines is doing less. putting two letters for yourself is doing extra therefore not being lazy..

it is what it is Stupidity is what you should have said
- IndianaSabresFan

You could call it that lol

Is the game televised or streamed? Anyone got a link?
- Der Kaiser

This is the Sabres we're talking about so unorganized with this poop

Let's do this another way with the players Buffalo traded away (those that have either played in the NHL already or were drafted prior to the 2015 draft.

Myers: Hope = Number 1 D, Reality = Number 2/Number 3 D, Middle Ground = Number 2 D

Zadorov: Hope = Part of the twin towers as top pairing D with Ristolainen for years to come, Reality = High end Number 3/2nd pairing D, Middle Ground = Number 2/3 D

Armia: Hope = Top Line RW, Reality = 3rd line RW, Middle Ground = 2nd line RW

Lemieux: Hope = 2nd line impact forward (phyiscal and scoring), Reality = 3rd line pest whose scoring won't translate to the NHL level, Middle Ground = 3rd line forward that could play spot duty on the 2nd line

Compher: Hope = All out effort player like Drury who could play in all situations on the 2nd and 3rd line, Reality = bottom 6 player who will never score consistently enough to play a top 6 role, Middle Ground = key 3rd line forward

The picks are where it becomes muddled, but I think I would rather have O'Reilly, Kane, Bogosian, and Eichel over the group above, and I say that fully believing the trade with the Jets was crucial to Buffalo finishing in last.
- kingcong39

In the grand scheme of things, on paper it looks like we gained a ton and lost little because what we gave up we haven't seen yet. I don't see it that way. I see that we traded quantity with the potential to turn into quality, for quality.

What's the word on risto these days
- SabresFaninIndiana

Skating but wont practice for another 5 days or so

I'm really getting sick of people saying we wasted two first-round picks on Sammy Watkins

In the grand scheme of things, on paper it looks like we gained a ton and lost little because what we gave up we haven't seen yet. I don't see it that way. I see that we traded quantity with the potential to turn into quality, for quality.
- sbroads24

Agreed. Only Zads and *maybe* Girgs had any kind of real top 6 ceiling (I think Armia pretty much fell off the table). We got proven players that are just coming in to their prime or will at their prime in a couple of years. That really is incredible.

In the grand scheme of things, on paper it looks like we gained a ton and lost little because what we gave up we haven't seen yet. I don't see it that way. I see that we traded quantity with the potential to turn into quality, for quality.
- sbroads24

People need to realize, we traded away players Murray did not want.

I'm really getting sick of people saying we wasted two first-round picks on Sammy Watkins
- gerbe75pts

don't worry be happy.

Is the game televised or streamed? Anyone got a link?
- Der Kaiser

I just bought a new set of rabbit ears from silo and got new batteries installed in the transistor radio. I'm ready to go for tonight, come on over we'll roast some marshmallows and drink dr pepper.

I'm really getting sick of people saying we wasted two first-round picks on Sammy Watkins
- gerbe75pts

Without a QB it would be, we have to see what happens from here on out.

I just bought a new set of rabbit ears from silo and got new batteries installed in the transistor radio. I'm ready to go for tonight, come on over we'll roast some marshmallows and drink dr pepper.
- mhp

Marshmallows and Dr Pepper, has that what's it's come to old guy ?

People need to realize, we traded away players Murray did not want.
- SABRES 89

I agree, and he turned them into players that will be key pieces of this organization going forward