Kevin Bieksa was 6th all time in Canucks scoring for Defensemen, as well as 6th for playoff scoring for D-men. 4th all time in PIM for D.

He was a leader. He was a warrior. He protected his teammates. He scored big goals. He battled in front of the net. He dropped the gloves when needed. He did everything this franchise asked of him.

Typical that the fan base forgets. I guess in a decade everyone will remember him for the player he was over the course of his career here, and not just for having a bad 2014-15 season.
- KB3Point0

I won't forget some of the great things Bieksa did here...too bad he 'misremembered' how to do his job the past 2 or so seasons.

If the pp is rolling, take the pp goals and the wins. If the pp is in dumper, why take the abuse?
- hillbillydeluxe

Wrong standing up for teammates will go further in the long run. It will also make other teams think twice the next time

I won't forget some of the great things Bieksa did here...too bad he 'misremembered' how to do his job the past 2 or so seasons.


- LordHumungous

That's why it's hard to compare a player who's currently still playing and declining to guys who are retired. There's some bias that's hard to shake off.

True. But he was good in the locker room, and I don't believe effort was ever an issue with him. He was prone to mental lapses, but the he went all out, especially in bigger games.
- Nucker101

I partly agree with this. He seemed to be good in the locker room. Cant take that away from him....

Effort... no other Canucks acted like hurrying back or covering a man was beneath him. Over and over and over... over extend on a pinch then not even chase the returning rush back to his own end... I will be there when I feel like it.
It was so pathetic watching him in replays when we got scored on. Everyone else is moving their feet,,, bent low, stick on or near the ice ready... but Bieksa is standing straight up with his stick waste high parallel with the ice not ready for anything as the puck goes in. The laziest top 6 D we've had for any considerable period of time that I can remember.

How do you think he got the nick name casual Kev. It was cute at first... cause he was so cool and collected people thought... but his nick name soon took a new meaning. I strongly disagree that effort wasnt "ever" an issue with him.

I won't forget some of the great things Bieksa did here...too bad he 'misremembered' how to do his job the past 2 or so seasons.


- LordHumungous

For a couple of years he had some good numbers , but he could also be an adventure with his wrong decisions

That's why it's hard to compare a player who's currently still playing and declining to guys who are retired. There's some bias that's hard to shake off.
- Nucker101

Fair point.

Wrong standing up for teammates will go further in the long run. It will also make other teams think twice the next time
- VANTEL

It worked well up until that Boston series, AV/Gillis were too stubborn though, they should have adjusted before it was too late.

Wrong standing up for teammates will go further in the long run. It will also make other teams think twice the next time
- VANTEL

I'm just saying that is how the Canucks looked at it, the Detroit model, no tough guys, take the pp and make them pay.

But even if the pp is rolling, some transgressions need a response.

Just as long as it isn't a steve moore sort of reply.

You need to consider weight class when judging toughness too. He wasn't a heavyweight.
- KB3Point0

Kev was a good puncher... but his routine of surprising guys with his gap closing jumping punch got old and he started not getting that first hay maker in... aside from tumbling the nobodies he was carefully selecting.... he started looking pretty weak in his fights against worthy opponents. No one has been intimidated by him in a while.

For a couple of years he had some good numbers , but he could also be an adventure with his wrong decisions
- VANTEL

Adventure is putting it mildly.

Kev was a good puncher... but his routine of surprising guys with his gap closing jumping punch got old and he started not getting that first hay maker in... aside from tumbling the nobodies he was carefully selecting.... he started looking pretty weak in his fights against worthy opponents. No one has been intimidated by him in a while.
- boonerbuck

It worked well up until that Boston series, AV/Gillis were too stubborn though, they should have adjusted before it was too late.
- Nucker101

...instead of cracking the champagne and celebrating the cup like Friedman witnessed.

...instead of cracking the champagne and celebrating the cup like Friedman witnessed.
- boonerbuck

Surprised he shared that story, seemed like he and Gillis got along well.

It worked well up until that Boston series, AV/Gillis were too stubborn though, they should have adjusted before it was too late.
- Nucker101

This was a big part of it. No adjustment or pushback. Rome gets punted the rest of the series while Boychuk busts Raymonds back, Marchand speedbags Sedin and the Bruins fire pucks at our guys in warmup...no response. I realise the team was told to ignore it all but man watching Bieksa and Torres sit there and do nothing was aggravating...still pisses me off...

Kev was a good puncher... but his routine of surprising guys with his gap closing jumping punch got old and he started not getting that first hay maker in... aside from tumbling the nobodies he was carefully selecting.... he started looking pretty weak in his fights against worthy opponents. No one has been intimidated by him in a while.
- boonerbuck

I don't think many people were ever really intimidated by Bieksa. He simply wasn't big enough to be intimidating. How many NHL players truly intimidate? Most of them are true heavyweights. Even a guy like Carcillo wasn't intimidating, and he was a true goon.

Doesn't mean Bieksa didn't step in and protect his teammates when needed. For his weight class there weren't many tougher.

...instead of cracking the champagne and celebrating the cup like Friedman witnessed.
- boonerbuck

Is that a true story?

If the pp is rolling, take the pp goals and the wins. If the pp is in dumper, why take the abuse?
- hillbillydeluxe

The Sedins came right out and said the team was told to just take the PP instead of reacting.

If Gillis hired Quenville instead of sticking with AV when he took the GM job... we win the cup in 2011. I have no doubt.

I think Skippy ( onesmallleap) did Canucks scorecard for the game tonight
- VANTEL

get to see my boy Luca kick some flamers around! and why is Vey listed at wing and Gaunce at center? misprint or trying something different?

- Nucker101

That guy behind the glass is an Illuminati alien demon... I'm sure of it.

The Sedins came right out and said the team was told to just take the PP instead of reacting.

If Gillis hired Quenville instead of sticking with AV when he took the GM job... we win the cup in 2011. I have no doubt.
- boonerbuck

Very possible. AV was outcoached by Julien in the end.

I'm just saying that is how the Canucks looked at it, the Detroit model, no tough guys, take the pp and make them pay.

But even if the pp is rolling, some transgressions need a response.

Just as long as it isn't a steve moore sort of reply.
- hillbillydeluxe

I understand what you are trying to say but here is the difference.

The other NHL teams didn't hate the Wings except the Colorado Avalanche . How many teams go out of their way to beat them into the ground in every way. They had Lidstom Datsyuk Stevie Y Hetteberg. We had Kesler Burrows Torres Lapierre . They never got called sisters or yappers.

BTW Franzen can fight and he is big Bertuzzi was tough also

Surprised he shared that story, seemed like he and Gillis got along well.
- Nucker101

He waited til Gillis was jobless in the NHL before sharing it.

Being that kind of friend is how you keep sources. Gillis was pretty open with him because he didnt tell stories like that til later....

I understand what you are trying to say but here is the difference.

The other NHL teams didn't hate the Wings except the Colorado Avalanche . How many teams go out of their way to beat them into the ground in every way. They had Lidstom Datsyuk Stevie Y Hetteberg. We had Kesler Burrows Torres Lapierre . They never got called sisters or yappers.

BTW Franzen can fight and he is big Bertuzzi was tough also
- VANTEL

Bertuzzi fought 3 times one season. Only season he ever fought more than twice.

Bieksa on the other hand, had two years with 6 fights, three years with 5, two years with 4, and three years with 3.

Surprised he shared that story, seemed like he and Gillis got along well.
- Nucker101

What did Freidman say?

I understand what you are trying to say but here is the difference.

The other NHL teams didn't hate the Wings except the Colorado Avalanche . How many teams go out of their way to beat them into the ground in every way. They had Lidstom Datsyuk Stevie Y Hetteberg. We had Kesler Burrows Torres Lapierre . They never got called sisters or yappers.

BTW Franzen can fight and he is big Bertuzzi was tough also
- VANTEL

you lost me a little bit.

I am not sure if you are heaping a lot of the blame on the Sedins for not standing up for themselves? I can see some of that. But Daniel gettting speed bagged by Marchand in the finals and Marchand not getting a 2 min minor was a joke, made the league look like wrestling.

When we had the President's trophy a few seasons in a row, we were a bench mark for other clubs to beat. But isn't that the case with many teams or their fans they think there is a rivalry, but there isn't, just fans get up for the games? Didn't the Wild think they had a rivalry with us?

Sometimes I think original 6 clubs must catch a break from the refs. league.