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boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 3:04 PM ET
Lack was a backup. He didn't have to handle Canucks fans turning on him....yet
- KB3Point0


fixed
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Sep 30 @ 3:06 PM ET
I think that argument works when you are getting the best player in the deal.

So far the Canucks have given up the best player in many deals while adding those extra's you mention.

- belcherbd

your opinion is not fact.
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Sep 30 @ 3:07 PM ET
He needs that time for more important things
- Nucker101



KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 30 @ 3:07 PM ET
fixed
- boonerbuck


Are you anticipating Benning signing him or trading for him?
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 3:10 PM ET
Garrisson had one to and didn't ask to get moved
- phyllee


Garrison was signed long term to the same money. Like it was pointed out... no Vrbada and no #1 GT then... the issue was forced.

There's nothing stopping the GM from approaching abut waiving but it's hard to fault him for not either... on a old player who wants a shot at a cup shot in the final year of his contract like bieksa... that is pretty standard.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 3:12 PM ET
The minor things can matter long-term when talking about picks. Every time you move down in the draft or have one less mid/late round pick, your odds of drafting an impact NHL player decrease a bit. I'd rather have Benning working hard to increase those odds rather than decrease them, even if it's only by 2-3%.
- Nucker101


Could be worse... some GM's trade 2nd round picks for players who retire in a couple of months...cough gillis cough...
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 30 @ 3:14 PM ET
So it works out that JB moved Garrison's salary for a shot at a young rookie who just had a big AHL career... Vey not working out is hind sight but the move was not a bad one at the time. Looking back... it probably is a fail. Acceptable fail though... and there still is a chance he gets points this season and a pick comes back... long shot I know... and not a second naturally... but softens the blow.

Sbisa should have been let go if they couldnt trade him for something. It's clearly a mistake at the money he's making. How costly is the mistake? Not very... it's short term and they can still release him at any time to make room for a new body to step in. They are not cornered by it what so ever.

Bonino.... no one should care what he said... GM's talk... they try and boost value and same goes on the players confidence... I tend to look at the actions and he's gone after one season...

You are right... it's fair to judge him on what he's done so far. Whats not fair is not giving the situations he's in full consideration.

- boonerbuck


I do give the situation full consideration, I just disagree with your assessment.
I agree that Benning hasn't cornered himself with contracts for the most part.

Vey, Baertschi and Clendening all need(ed) to make an impact quickly or be lost via waivers/AHL bound.
Sutter and Miller he has cornered (potentially) himself with those contracts.

Sbisa is a criticism not because his contract is cumbersome but because mgmt continues to believe he is a quality player and can continue to develop despite playing a pretty large sample size in the NHL.

I choose to form my opinions based upon what GM's say and not the rumors that circulate around the internet.
I also like that Benning was willing to move on from Bonino and Clendening after realizing that they were not what he wanted here, but at one point he thought they were and that's his evaluation. The original comment was that it wasn't fair to judge Benning's evaluation skills on those players because of the Kesler deal.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 3:15 PM ET
According to GF, Corrado is on a 2-way contract. If that's true, I would send him to Utica to play 25 mins a night. Just sayin.

They're going to carry 7 Def, but only 6 are going to play. When healthy, I think the top 6 are Edler, Tanev, Hamhuis, Sbisa, Bartkowski, Weber. So you need to carry a 7th guy and you've got real cap issues so I think the 7th spot should go to either Biega or Fedun... They're unlikely to play much and only 600K against the cap.

- Max.Betts


He needs to go through waivers... and they are probably reluctant to do that.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 30 @ 3:17 PM ET
your opinion is not fact.
- A_SteamingLombardi


The sky is blue
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 3:18 PM ET
Saw this at HF....this is pretty good

I-own_da-Northwest
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cariboo, BC
Joined: 08.08.2009

Sep 30 @ 3:19 PM ET
He needs that time for more important things
- Nucker101

Yes, right now that would be either trying to turn a bottom 3 team into something competitive or start integrating youth while we still have a few good vets to lead them.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 3:20 PM ET
your opinion is not fact.
- A_SteamingLombardi


True, but there's a lot more evidence that supports him than disputes his claim.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 30 @ 3:20 PM ET
Saw this at HF....this is pretty good


- Nucker101


good find.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 3:20 PM ET
I have no idea what happened behind the scene with Kesler/Sbisa etc but at the end of the day there were 3 reported teams interested not 1 as many like to pretend ( Chi, Pit, Anh). I also don't have a problem accepting that Benning got as good as he could in that trade because he was in a tough position.

My point is that Benning said he targeted both Sbisa and Bonino and promoted them as important pieces of that deal. I choose to take him for his word, instead of making assumptions. So I will judge his evaluation of players based upon this.

Had he said, we really wanted an extra 1st round pick and another NHL C in our mix and that Sbisa was a guy who we thought could help our d depth it would be different.

- belcherbd


Trades couldnt be made with the other teams Kesler listed... in the end it was the Ducks. There may have been other teams interested... but it was in Kesler's control.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 3:21 PM ET
Yes, right now that would be either trying to turn a bottom 3 team into something competitive or start integrating youth while we still have a few good vets to lead them.
- I-own_da-Northwest


And moving down in the draft or giving away later round picks has nothing to do with that..
bazz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 02.21.2007

Sep 30 @ 3:21 PM ET
Miller has a rep for the fan and media pressure not getting under his skin and not being too hard on himself over slumps etc... it took Lucic running him like a freight train half way to the C line to finally get him to show some emotions.

It very well could be one of the reasons he was brought in. This market beats on their Gt's like a red headed step child... maybe they wanted at least one GT who could put up with the inevitable controversy that will commence every season regardless of the players, results and situations.... I can remember the Troy Gamble-Kirk Mclean controversy and every season after that no matter how bad or good things were...

- boonerbuck


If I remember correctly the Canucks brought it John Vanbiesbrouk as a way to protect Kay Whitmore in the expansion draft. I believe McLean had goalie controversies with Whitmore and Corey Hirsch too.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Sep 30 @ 3:21 PM ET
Saw this at HF....this is pretty good


- Nucker101




Was trying to explain to someone last night why many Canucks fans don't care for Messier. That is a more fitting end to that commercial.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Sep 30 @ 3:21 PM ET
I still do.

-- a bit franked in the head BUT

he has Soft hands & he has a good cycle game down low, and he is really tough to knock off the puck in the offensive zone.

- classic321

But that is only 1/6 games he plays in
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 3:22 PM ET
That's fair. My only issues is that Prust takes a spot from a younger player.
- Nucker101


This season... and maybe only til the TDL. At the same time.. it might make it safer for young players to play on our bottom six if a body elsewhere in the line up is moved.
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Sep 30 @ 3:22 PM ET
Saw this at HF....this is pretty good


- Nucker101


Best thing I have seen in awhile.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 3:24 PM ET
Yes exaxtly...I guarantee kassian is in a strip club right now doing some lines off the stage. MTL is indeed stupid for tAking in this project. A poop leopard can't change his spots
- CanuckDon


Kassian has been deliberately shading his eyes with his hat in interviews... it looks suspicious as hell...
I-own_da-Northwest
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cariboo, BC
Joined: 08.08.2009

Sep 30 @ 3:24 PM ET


Was trying to explain to someone last night why many Canucks fans don't care for Messier. That is a more fitting end to that commercial.

- hillbillydeluxe

Coulda been better.... Messier coulda been dressed in his usual drag outfit and been in the vehicle.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 3:25 PM ET
I did have a post after that spoke more about Sbisa's confidence.

And the reason(s) why many on here would try to send him to Utica were known when he was signed and I don't think these flaws in his game would all of a sudden play a part in sending him to Utica. It isn't consistent.

sorry for the initial troll.

that song is classic.

- hillbillydeluxe


I'm just keeping the joke going...
Lostinarink
Joined: 10.30.2013

Sep 30 @ 3:25 PM ET
But 5th's have little to no value and mean nothing in the long run....
- Nucker101


Agreed, you can only get crap in the 5th. Like say Ben Hutton.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 3:25 PM ET
This season... and maybe only til the TDL. At the same time.. it might make it safer for young players to play on our bottom six if a body elsewhere in the line up is moved.
- boonerbuck



I really don't think teams are afraid of Dorsett/Prust. And most of Dorsett's fights last year were just against other goons anyway and those guys will always be physical no matter what.
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