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belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 30 @ 4:00 PM ET
Ok, if you want to take a GM for his word when he talks to the media, you have to play it both ways. Just remember that when you are picking him apart.
- boonerbuck


I take everyone for their word until proven wrong, although that person cannot be anonymous.

I distrust every anonymous person until proven right and would need to trust and know a person supporting a anonymous source to believe any information from said source.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 30 @ 4:00 PM ET
Kesler revised his list from 3 teams to 1
- CanuckDon


I don't recall that, do you have a link?

Edit.
I found this in the NHL article after he was traded.

Benning said the Blackhawks were in it until the end, but acquiring Bonino was a key to the trade because the GM said he thinks the 26-year-old can replace Kesler as the Canucks' No. 2 center.
Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Sep 30 @ 4:02 PM ET
Vey - Out
McCann - In
Bar(can;tspell)chi - extra forward
Virtanen - In
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:02 PM ET
First season hockey fan?

Every season the GM's and coaches say the same thing... every season the same fans are crying about the GM and coach not being true(or literal) to his word. ..and then there is the fan like you... who is only at issue with it if the GM's name is Benning.

Same poop happened under MG and AV... over and over... those *were* your boys though... but now you are supporting Burke's team... so I guess he's your boy now.... they guy who goes out of his way to (frank) us Canuck fans.

- boonerbuck


Then how do rookies make other teams? It seems to happen quite often, hell the team that kicked our asses in the playoffs last year had a lineup full of guys who could be sent down without waivers.

MG and AV actually had contending teams, except during their final 1-2 seasons here and that's when I've admitted many times that Gillis was overrating his own team. You can;'t compare that to the Canucks right now who have no shot at wining the cup, the Sedins themselves said they hope to contend by the final year of their deals so yes young guys should definitely be given a more legit chance to play these days.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:04 PM ET
@NEWS1130Sports: Jim Benning announces Jared McCann will play in the final two exhibition games for the #Canucks


classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Sep 30 @ 4:04 PM ET


Gillis' contracts were all seen as good value when he signed them. It's his trades and weird drafting strategy of overagers that (frank)ed him over.

Benning has handed out full or limited NTC's to Sutter/Miller/Vrbata/Tanev and Sbisa might as well have one so it's not like he's doing a whole lot better in that area.

Gillis was a flat out better negotiator, and I've said about 828298291290 times that I think he started off very well and lost his ways after the SCF. You twist my words into saying "LOLZ OMG NUCKER THINKS GILLIS IS HIS GOD ROLF"

- Nucker101


I agree

I hate NTC, but at least Gillis got bargain deals in exchange

Benning has given NTC, with no seemingly bargain deals......... Tanev is ok though.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 30 @ 4:06 PM ET
@NEWS1130Sports: Jim Benning announces Jared McCann will play in the final two exhibition games for the #Canucks
- Nucker101


Pretty telling that they are going to ride him, I wonder if Vey gets two games as well?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:06 PM ET
I agree

I hate NTC, but at least Gillis got bargain deals in exchange

Benning has given NTC, with no seemingly bargain deals......... Tanev is ok though.

- classic321


Tanev is definitely the one contract I'm very happy with.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 4:06 PM ET
So when they say "open competition" what they really mean is "open competition for waiver eligible players only"

If a young kid looks ready, I say give him the spot. It'll be a big confidence boost, plus he's learning from NHL vets, and it shows the veterans and prospects in your organization that a rookie can earn a spot from a waiver eligible player making for a more competitive internal environment. It wouldn't be the end of the world if they kepet him up either, especially with WD as coach since he rolls all 4 lines and 3 D pairings. The only issue is that Hutton is a LHD.

- Nucker101


So this team should probably go all out before the openner and waive dump a bunch of players based on the pre season performances of some of the young players? Hutton isnt the only guy outplaying the roster locks...

Realistically I could see them moving or sending Vey down for Gaunce and playing McCann for his 9 games and deciding from there. I doubt they will get rid of Weber for Hutton... if Hutton stalls and gets sent down... they miss Weber on the PP big time... I'm impartial to it but from the coach and GM's standpoint... they want those 10 goals again... losing Corrado and Hutton gets sent down will be a loss as well.. and you'd be the first guy on the soap box pointing at us losing another asset for nothing...


Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:06 PM ET
Pretty telling that they are going to ride him, I wonder if Vey gets two games as well?
- belcherbd


Guessing Vey gets at least one, he should get both though since it seems like McCann is gunning for his spot on the roster.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 30 @ 4:08 PM ET
Tanev is definitely the one contract I'm very happy with.
- Nucker101


Bartkowski and Weber were smart deals IMO, Vey's could be argued that it is good because it is only a 1 year show me deal. Markstrom was fine as well.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 4:09 PM ET
True, but he had no reason to rush the Bonino trade. The Lack/Bieksa/Kassian/Kesler trades sure, there's some urgency. Sutter was a pending UFA and was not in PIT's long-term plans. Bonino still had 2 years left, was happy being here, and was not hurting the team.

And why did he rush to sign Sbisa/Sutter? Again, he had no reason to.

- Nucker101


You can assume there was no rush in trading for Sutter.... but they wanted him... and who knows what else the Pens were up to...

I really don't know why you are so high on Bonino.
WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:09 PM ET
Pretty telling that they are going to ride him, I wonder if Vey gets two games as well?
- belcherbd


I hope they keep McCann and JV around for a while. Horvat had the "benefit" of getting injured so he got an AHL conditioning stint in and they spread out his 9 games. I would like them to keep these two forwards around practicing at the very least instead of rushing them into 5-9 games before determining they need to go back to Jr.
WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:11 PM ET
So this team should probably go all out before the openner and waive dump a bunch of players based on the pre season performances of some of the young players? Hutton isnt the only guy outplaying the roster locks...

Realistically I could see them moving or sending Vey down for Gaunce and playing McCann for his 9 games and deciding from there. I doubt they will get rid of Weber for Hutton... if Hutton stalls and gets sent down... they miss Weber on the PP big time... I'm impartial to it but from the coach and GM's standpoint... they want those 10 goals again... losing Corrado and Hutton gets sent down will be a loss as well.. and you'd be the first guy on the soap box pointing at us losing another asset for nothing...

- boonerbuck


As unimpressive as Weber was, I still am blown away by how well his 10 goals ranked at the end of last season
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 4:11 PM ET
I think you're an idiot if you believe even half the sh!t that spews out of any GM or Presidents mouth when they talk to the media.

Not you specifically.

- thundachunk


You are lucky you added that!

belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 30 @ 4:11 PM ET
Guessing Vey gets at least one, he should get both though since it seems like McCann is gunning for his spot on the roster.
- Nucker101


It would make sense, I imagine that WD wants a pretty vet heavy lineup in order to get ready for the NHL though. Can Vey realistically do anything to change his perception at this point?

Either McCann is so good you can't ignore him or WD isn't comfortable and they go with what they know even if it has been underwhelming so far.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:13 PM ET
"...right now in my mind, Corrado's behind both Hutton and Matt Bartkowski on the depth chart. Maybe more playing time in Utica is what he needs." -CS

Thank you for the Blog Carol.

Some of the fringe players from last season are playing to lose jobs vs. to win jobs.

I think Hutton could do with some AHL seasoning, but he is standing out more than Corrado. Corrado sometimes looks like casual kev.

I wouldn't mind Hutton starting with the big club, it would be sad to lose Corrado on waivers, but he hasn't stood head and shoulders above many in our d prospect pool and isn't projected top 4... whatever makes the team better.

- hillbillydeluxe


Hutton is the only Dman that can create an offensive flow. COrrado looked a little better last night but is still behind Hutton.
The Canucks should either trade Weber or put Sbisa on waivers to see if he gets snagged.

This is the Cadillac of problems for any team, when their kids push really hard and are the better players. There is so much to look forward to over the next few years.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:15 PM ET
So this team should probably go all out before the openner and waive dump a bunch of players based on the pre season performances of some of the young players? Hutton isnt the only guy outplaying the roster locks...

Realistically I could see them moving or sending Vey down for Gaunce and playing McCann for his 9 games and deciding from there. I doubt they will get rid of Weber for Hutton... if Hutton stalls and gets sent down... they miss Weber on the PP big time... I'm impartial to it but from the coach and GM's standpoint... they want those 10 goals again... losing Corrado and Hutton gets sent down will be a loss as well.. and you'd be the first guy on the soap box pointing at us losing another asset for nothing...

- boonerbuck

If it were up to me I wouldn't waive a dman other than one of Biega/Sbisa

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Sven - Horvat - Vrbata
Gaunce - McCann - Hansen (Gaunce and McCann can switch positions if needed)
Kenins/Prust - Sutter - Dorsett (give JV 9 games if you want & start Kenins in Utica)

Extra: Prust/Kenins(waive Vey)

Edler - Tanev
Hamhuis - Bart/Weber
Hutton - Bart/Weber

Extras: Corrado & Sbisa/Biega(I'd pick Biega)

Miller
Markstrom

Higgins on short term IR
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:15 PM ET
You can assume there was no rush in trading for Sutter.... but they wanted him... and who knows what else the Pens were up to...

I really don't know why you are so high on Bonino.

- boonerbuck


Not high on him, I think both he and Sutter are 3LC's. I'd just prefer the cheaper player and higher pick.
Yannick72
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Maple ridge, BC
Joined: 10.21.2013

Sep 30 @ 4:16 PM ET
Comets sign Curtis Valk.
- thundachunk

thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Sep 30 @ 4:17 PM ET
Guessing Vey gets at least one, he should get both though since it seems like McCann is gunning for his spot on the roster.
- Nucker101

McCann is probably the one who has a better shot at making the roster. He is imo clearly beating Vey for a spot and Vey is easily replaceable. Hutton for his part is making a case for himself as well but there are really to many factors on defence that most likely rule him out for a spot.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:17 PM ET
Bartkowski and Weber were smart deals IMO, Vey's could be argued that it is good because it is only a 1 year show me deal. Markstrom was fine as well.
- belcherbd


Yeah, I agree.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 30 @ 4:17 PM ET


Gillis' contracts were all seen as good value when he signed them. It's his trades and weird drafting strategy of overagers that (frank)ed him over.

Benning has handed out full or limited NTC's to Sutter/Miller/Vrbata/Tanev and Sbisa might as well have one so it's not like he's doing a whole lot better in that area.

Gillis was a flat out better negotiator, and I've said about 828298291290 times that I think he started off very well and lost his ways after the SCF. You twist my words into saying "LOLZ OMG NUCKER THINKS GILLIS IS HIS GOD ROLF"

- Nucker101


Even Bennings NTC's are better to some or a lot of degree. Kesler and Bieksa and many others dont have limited NTC's. MG just flat out signed long term full NTC's... but you see them as great value because of the dollars. Right back to your Cap/Stats tunnel vision.
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Sep 30 @ 4:19 PM ET
So this team should probably go all out before the openner and waive dump a bunch of players based on the pre season performances of some of the young players? Hutton isnt the only guy outplaying the roster locks...

Realistically I could see them moving or sending Vey down for Gaunce and playing McCann for his 9 games and deciding from there. I doubt they will get rid of Weber for Hutton... if Hutton stalls and gets sent down... they miss Weber on the PP big time... I'm impartial to it but from the coach and GM's standpoint... they want those 10 goals again... losing Corrado and Hutton gets sent down will be a loss as well.. and you'd be the first guy on the soap box pointing at us losing another asset for nothing...

- boonerbuck



Is it still Tuesday????? Totally agree with this analysis.

Can't believe what I have been reading the past few days. Its (frank)in preseaon!!! i'd wait until the season is in full swing before even considering dumping established players.

The only guys I'd keep up are Virtanen (likely not more than 9 games), McCann (possibly the season) and Gaunce (possibly the season).

The rest, including hutton, need more time. Excelling versus 2nd tier players over a handful of games doesnt necessarily translate. I'd take it with a grain a salt...

(frank)in' bipolars man.....
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 4:20 PM ET
Even Bennings NTC's are better to some or a lot of degree. Kesler and Bieksa and many others dont have limited NTC's. MG just flat out signed long term full NTC's... but you see them as great value because of the dollars. Right back to your Cap/Stats tunnel vision.
- boonerbuck


Bieksa and Burrows shouldn't have been given full NTC's, I'll give you that. Kesler's full NTC was a no-brainer. Why give him more money to trade him down the road when you could save money to help build a contender now and don't expect him to decline by the end of the deal?

Those full NTC's savings were a big reason why this team came 1 game away from winning it all.
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