Winnipeg is smart starting out asking for basically 2 1st for him. Not sure if the price will go down but doesn't seem to be a lot of contenders with 5 million in cap space or assets.

Hossa really costs us 2 1st. I don't think Bfug is worth more than that for a rental.

Though the gritty factor to his game might up the value. Lucic returned basically 2 1st for a rental which seemed like an overpayment.

Um, this team will wait until December or January to make a move and it wouldn't be for a big name like Buff.

Didn't someone tweet that perron broke his stick over the boards outta frustration last night? Wonder what that was about

Didn't someone tweet that perron broke his stick over the boards outta frustration last night? Wonder what that was about
- pensfan024

If it happened, it was probably purely accidental. Tripped over the stick or something. He doesn't get angry. Ever.

First of all, let's stop overreacting to preseason. I'm not incredibly comfortable with the defensive showing so far, but I'm not jumping off a bridge either.
Secondly, the likelihood of dealing a one year rental like Perron to a team for a top 4 dman is very low. WPG is probably the most likely scenario with Byfuglien, but they probably will want future assets rather than a rental winger.

If it happened, it was probably purely accidental. Tripped over the stick or something. He doesn't get angry. Ever.
- chimpira

Yeah I saw the tweet last night, definitely wasn't out of frustration as it was the only time I saw it mentioned and it wasn't followed up on.

Winnipeg is smart starting out asking for basically 2 1st for him. Not sure if the price will go down but doesn't seem to be a lot of contenders with 5 million in cap space or assets.

Hossa really costs us 2 1st. I don't think Bfug is worth more than that for a rental.

Though the gritty factor to his game might up the value. Lucic returned basically 2 1st for a rental which seemed like an overpayment.
- sditulli

If Buff had another year on the contract, even at the high hit (high for our cap at least), he could get two 1st rounders. But a pure rental is what he is... Look at it dropping to a 1st and a 3rd or 1st and solid prospect type of deal.

First of all, let's stop overreacting to preseason. I'm not incredibly comfortable with the defensive showing so far, but I'm not jumping off a bridge either.
Secondly, the likelihood of dealing a one year rental like Perron to a team for a top 4 dman is very low. WPG is probably the most likely scenario with Byfuglien, but they probably will want future assets rather than a rental winger.
- jfkst1

I totally agree. We have seen one game against Carolina where something close to an opening night roster was played. I know there isn't a lot to talk about, but we need to see several regular season games before we start making those judgements.

The way I see it Perron has very little trade value unless you're trading for conditional picks or a rental guy. No team would give up a good d-man for a forward who is set to become a UFA. I'd personally rather trade Kunitz even though I believe the trade value on him is even less.
- Zac_O

First comment that made sense on this entire thread.

Perron will be used to offset salary for a rental but only has value to a team that has a shot at the cup and needs to plug a hole in their top 6 due to injury (like what happend to okposo last year). Just because PITT gave EDM a First for him last season when he had 1.5 yrs on his contract that is what he's worth today.

My guess is that he gets packaged with a 1st for a guy like Hamhuis and a prospect, E3.

First comment that made sense on this entire thread.

Perron will be used to offset salary for a rental but only has value to a team that has a shot at the cup and needs to plug a hole in their top 6 due to injury (like what happend to okposo last year). Just because PITT gave EDM a First for him last season when he had 1.5 yrs on his contract that is what he's worth today.

My guess is that he gets packaged with a 1st for a guy like Hamhuis and a prospect, E3.
- Max.Betts

Problem with Perron is this... If he does really good like when he first came here he regains trade value, but we won't trade him then. If he does mediocre, not much trade value, and its harder to trade him.

His huge slump last year makes him a really tricky thing to trade out.

I totally agree. We have seen one game against Carolina where something close to an opening night roster was played. I know there isn't a lot to talk about, but we need to see several regular season games before we start making those judgements.
- astgood9414

The reality is that there will be inevitable growing pains playing young players. So even though everyone wants to play the young cheap guys, few want to accept that. Clendening looks promising. Pouliot and Dumoulin look the same to me as they did last year which obviously is disappointing.
The only major concern I have with the defense is playing Gonchar and Scuderi. They are not good and they are even more painful to watch. There is absolutely no reason to believe they will improve. In fact, they'll probably play worse as the season progresses due to their ages. Gonchar shouldn't be on the team and Scuderi should play as little as possible. Playing them anymore than that is just plain stupidity.

Winnipeg is smart starting out asking for basically 2 1st for him. Not sure if the price will go down but doesn't seem to be a lot of contenders with 5 million in cap space or assets.

Hossa really costs us 2 1st. I don't think Bfug is worth more than that for a rental.

Though the gritty factor to his game might up the value. Lucic returned basically 2 1st for a rental which seemed like an overpayment.
- sditulli

You can't compare the return of Hossa several years ago and Buff right now. Times have changed. There are ALOT of teams looking for D help, especially top four, which pushes the price up. We don't have the resources to get Buff. They have really no use for Perron. It would be foolish for the Jets to trade Buff for Perron straight up because Buff has way more value.

You can't compare the return of Hossa several years ago and Buff right now. Times have changed. There are ALOT of teams looking for D help, especially top four, which pushes the price up. We don't have the resources to get Buff. They have really no use for Perron. It would be foolish for the Jets to trade Buff for Perron straight up because Buff has way more value.
- Oneonta Penguin

Any team that wants a top 6 rental forward is almost certainly not giving up a top 4 dman (rental or otherwise) because they'll want said player for their own postseason roster.

The reality is that there will be inevitable growing pains playing young players. So even though everyone wants to play the young cheap guys, few want to accept that. Clendening looks promising. Pouliot and Dumoulin look the same to me as they did last year which obviously is disappointing.
The only major concern I have with the defense is playing Gonchar and Scuderi. They are not good and they are even more painful to watch. There is absolutely no reason to believe they will improve. In fact, they'll probably play worse as the season progresses due to their ages. Gonchar shouldn't be on the team and Scuderi should play as little as possible. Playing them anymore than that is just plain stupidity.
- jfkst1

It's absolutely funny in a way. We draft all these D men ... supposedly build a stable on D (Morrow, Maatta, Pouliot, Harrington, acquire Dumo). Looks like we are set for years ... now we have three left and only one of them is really ready to play in the NHL (Maatta). We had a problem scoring goals last year, so we acquire Kessel and his contract to hopefully correct that. Adding his contract won't help our defensive problem. It's like someone said, when you have Malkin, Sid and Letang's contract, your third and fourth lines will suffer because the cap space is taken by them. Add Kessel, now your defense suffers. At least, out third line looks competent this year and possibly our fourth.

Any team that wants a top 6 rental forward is almost certainly not giving up a top 4 dman (rental or otherwise) because they'll want said player for their own postseason roster.
- jfkst1

Agree with that. But looking at the two names, Buff has way more value than Perron. It's not close either.

So where is everyone that wanted to trade 58 cuz DP had a higher ceiling?

So where is everyone that wanted to trade 58 cuz DP had a higher ceiling?
- sammy87

The only reason anyone logically wants to trade Letang is because he gets injured all the time. Which is still a legitimate concern. When he's healthy he's awesome. He also had some major growing pain issues in his early years too. Though I think claiming Pouliot's known ceiling is Letang-level play is pretty presumptuous.

It's absolutely funny in a way. We draft all these D men ... supposedly build a stable on D (Morrow, Maatta, Pouliot, Harrington, acquire Dumo). Looks like we are set for years ... now we have three left and only one of them is really ready to play in the NHL (Maatta). We had a problem scoring goals last year, so we acquire Kessel and his contract to hopefully correct that. Adding his contract won't help our defensive problem. It's like someone said, when you have Malkin, Sid and Letang's contract, your third and fourth lines will suffer because the cap space is taken by them. Add Kessel, now your defense suffers. At least, out third line looks competent this year and possibly our fourth.
- Oneonta Penguin

If healthy the 3rd and 4th forward lines will be excellent. Talent evaluation of Muzzin in 2011, Lovejoy in 2013, and then again with Despres and Lovejoy this year are more worrisome issues to me.

The only reason anyone logically wants to trade Letang is because he gets injured all the time. Which is still a legitimate concern. When he's healthy he's awesome. He also had some major growing pain issues in his early years too. Though I think claiming Pouliot's known ceiling is Letang-level play is pretty presumptuous.
- jfkst1

Maata, Crosby, Malkin, Dupes, Martin, Kuni.....are all hurt all the time. My point was that because some of the posters here read that DP might be really good they put all their eggs in his basket and were beating the trade 58 drum pretty loud. With the limited time DP and even Dumo have shown in the NHL, I think theres a reason Scuds is on this team.

... I think theres a reason Scuds is on this team.
- sammy87

He has compromising photos of someone in the FO?

So where is everyone that wanted to trade 58 cuz DP had a higher ceiling?
- sammy87

I am still wishing we could have traded him with Tampa Bay for Drouin during the midst of his "unhappy" time there when he was sitting more than he should have. Beside that, I really wasn't keen on trading Pouliot after Despres was dealt.


Now I'm thinking a bit differently, but playing the hindsight game is cheap.

Maata, Crosby, Malkin, Dupes, Martin, Kuni.....are all hurt all the time. My point was that because some of the posters here read that DP might be really good they put all their eggs in his basket and were beating the trade 58 drum pretty loud. With the limited time DP and even Dumo have shown in the NHL, I think theres a reason Scuds is on this team.
- sammy87

DP still might be really good. One bad preseason isn't a death knell to a career. If he were 23 then I'd be much more concerned. The reason Scuderi is on the roster is because he has an untradable contract. Not because he confers any benefit to the team.

DP still might be really good. One bad preseason isn't a death knell to a career. If he were 23 then I'd be much more concerned. The reason Scuderi is on the roster is because he has an untradable contract. Not because he confers any benefit to the team.
- jfkst1

Release Gonch from PTO, give him a coaching job. I 10000000% guarantee DP will get very good.

If healthy the 3rd and 4th forward lines will be excellent. Talent evaluation of Muzzin in 2011, Lovejoy in 2013, and then again with Despres and Lovejoy this year are more worrisome issues to me.
- jfkst1

Third and fourth lines could very well be the best we have seen in Pittsburgh since winning the Cup provided health. You are probably one that thinks Bennett will do something. I don't. Seen this movie at Denver and now here.

Your worrisome issues are valid without question. However, my worrisome thing is this ... we don't have anything to send the other way in a deal which we will need to do to get a top four Dman. Sure, Sprong, Murray and maybe Sundqvist. Absent that, we don't have much at all. I'm pretty sure those top two you don't send anywhere at this juncture. If not for dumb acquisitions at the deadline in previous years, we might have the resources to make a deal to get said player. That is my worrisome issue as I look at this roster. Goalie is solid and our forwards, if healthy, should be deep. Defense is not impressive - at all.

Third and fourth lines could very well be the best we have seen in Pittsburgh since winning the Cup provided health. You are probably one that thinks Bennett will do something. I don't. Seen this movie at Denver and now here.

Your worrisome issues are valid without question. However, my worrisome thing is this ... we don't have anything to send the other way in a deal which we will need to do to get a top four Dman. Sure, Sprong, Murray and maybe Sundqvist. Absent that, we don't have much at all. I'm pretty sure those top two you don't send anywhere at this juncture. If not for dumb acquisitions at the deadline in previous years, we might have the resources to make a deal to get said player. That is my worrisome issue as I look at this roster. Goalie is solid and our forwards, if healthy, should be deep. Defense is not impressive - at all.
- Oneonta Penguin

Lets expand a bit on that... we know the Defense shakeyness at this point... How much does a good 3rd and 4th line help that? I'll be honest, I do not recall how much the Staal 3rd line helped the Defense, or that solid 4th line of ours years ago.

Can our great forward group help the defense lean on them until they pick it up? Or is that getting too optimistic?