Is it wrong for me to expect G and Jake to scratch 30? It bugs me that they do not.

Tbh it seems more like they're giving Gudas and Manning some minutes since they probably won't be seeing steady time for a while.
- hereticpride

And it seems like they had a rough night of it going by the advanced stats.

But the Read-Laughton-White line had the worst of it.

My unimportant observations that only matter to me but someone may find at least slightly interesting.

- giroux continues his 5 on 5 slump. He hasn't produced at 5 on 5 in well over a year now at a consistent rate. Jake has also struggled since last year's all star game. I don't hear or see them getting the separation they once did. That could be a product of not having raffl as he is very good at creating and puck movement.

- Laughton is not a shut down center even with read, neither is the 4th line. If we are going to be able to stop other teams it's going to be by committee all 4 lines are going to need to get a closer to even o zone to d zone ratio. If there is a commitment to coots being a 2nd line center with simmonds Schenn than they need to be able to take the puck from d to o. Same with G jake raffl and Laughton read whoever. The transition has to be there and I haven't seen it.

- our d really does suck. It just does. Mdz is reverting back to old ways in the d zone. Gudas Schenn Manning Macdonald can barely earn and 6th d man spot. Streit Schultz have been average at best like they have for their careers.

- Mason is a god. When we can extend him he needs top 5 goalie money.

- we had very little turnovers and still were unable to create shots and chances as we've been out shot and out chanced in all our games

- we rely purely on the PP for offense and it needs to stop. Idc if it's the best pp in hockey it does not warrant you crappy 5 on 5 play.

- this team may very well be competing for Matthew's this year, and I'd be okay with it we need a premier top 6 scorer we just do. A guy who can score 40.

And it seems like they had a rough night of it going by the advanced stats.

But the Read-Laughton-White line had the worst of it.
- Feanor

cool

Is it wrong for me to expect G and Jake to scratch 30? It bugs me that they do not.
- SuperSchennBros

Are you talking about 30 goals? Gs came close but never hit the mark, but doesn't surprise me as they're both true playmakers. Doesn't bother me one bit that they don't hit 30 goals thiugh. That can be Raffl and simmonds' job

Did anyone see the game or was it not televised anywhere?

Did anyone see the game or was it not televised anywhere?
- funmaster18

Flyers Devils games have been the same poopfests for the last 20 years.

We've all seen this movie 100 times over.

(But no it wasn't televised. )

Did anyone see the game or was it not televised anywhere?
- funmaster18

Radio only. Enjoyed it in the sun room while watching the storm with the canines and a cold drink in my hand.

On to meaningful hockey

flyers winless against A teams
this is going to be a long season

On to meaningful hockey
- ob18

We suck. Are boring. See you next October

flyers winless against A teams
this is going to be a long season
- 2Real

We've been missing 2 our top 6 forwards for both games plus haven't iced a fill starting 6 d (well if we are to assume it's macd and gudas) and played an injured goaltender who struggled due to injury against 2 teams who have had our number in recent years. Tampa Rangers Columbus devil's I'd say the 4 teams who we are least likely to beat? Why ? No idea we just struggle every time.

With that being said my expectations have lowered some but I'm optimistic that we can do some good things once we get rolling.

And if we can't completely okay auctioning Streit Medvedev Read and anyone else who doesn't have a long term future with us for picks and prospects at the deadline.

We've been missing 2 our top 6 forwards for both games plus we haven't iced a lineup featuring at least 4 quality Dmen in years!! and played an injured goaltender who struggled due to injury against 2 teams who have had our number in recent years. Tampa Rangers Columbus devil's I'd say the 4 teams who we are least likely to beat? Why ? No idea we just struggle every time.

With that being said my expectations have lowered some but I'm optimistic that we can do some good things once we get rolling.

And if we can't completely okay auctioning Streit Medvedev Read and anyone else who doesn't have a long term future with us for picks and prospects at the deadline.
- Tfaehner

FTFY

Who's in, who's out? Who's in the press box?

FTFY
- BiggE

Thanks..

Pronger carle
Kimmo Coburn

Last real top 4 we had that is

Thanks..

Pronger carle
Kimmo Coburn

Last real top 4 we had that is
- Tfaehner

yup

My unimportant observations that only matter to me but someone may find at least slightly interesting.

- giroux continues his 5 on 5 slump. He hasn't produced at 5 on 5 in well over a year now at a consistent rate. Jake has also struggled since last year's all star game. I don't hear or see them getting the separation they once did. That could be a product of not having raffl as he is very good at creating and puck movement.

- Laughton is not a shut down center even with read, neither is the 4th line. If we are going to be able to stop other teams it's going to be by committee all 4 lines are going to need to get a closer to even o zone to d zone ratio. If there is a commitment to coots being a 2nd line center with simmonds Schenn than they need to be able to take the puck from d to o. Same with G jake raffl and Laughton read whoever. The transition has to be there and I haven't seen it.

- our d really does suck. It just does. Mdz is reverting back to old ways in the d zone. Gudas Schenn Manning Macdonald can barely earn and 6th d man spot. Streit Schultz have been average at best like they have for their careers.

- Mason is a god. When we can extend him he needs top 5 goalie money.

- we had very little turnovers and still were unable to create shots and chances as we've been out shot and out chanced in all our games

- we rely purely on the PP for offense and it needs to stop. Idc if it's the best pp in hockey it does not warrant you crappy 5 on 5 play.

- this team may very well be competing for Matthew's this year, and I'd be okay with it we need a premier top 6 scorer we just do. A guy who can score 40.
- Tfaehner

this team's top 9 isn't deep enough to have anyone out of the lineup and the defense is just bad. I think the Flyers have a playoff goalie, borderline playoff top 12 and a non playoff defense. Jake is still young enough at 26 and G isn't old at 28 but its a shame that they are probably 2-3 yrs away from being a team you say yes they are a playoff team at the beginning of the season. Now its more like they are borderline if they stay healthy and all goes right.

My unimportant observations that only matter to me but someone may find at least slightly interesting.

- giroux continues his 5 on 5 slump. He hasn't produced at 5 on 5 in well over a year now at a consistent rate. Jake has also struggled since last year's all star game. I don't hear or see them getting the separation they once did. That could be a product of not having raffl as he is very good at creating and puck movement.

- Laughton is not a shut down center even with read, neither is the 4th line. If we are going to be able to stop other teams it's going to be by committee all 4 lines are going to need to get a closer to even o zone to d zone ratio. If there is a commitment to coots being a 2nd line center with simmonds Schenn than they need to be able to take the puck from d to o. Same with G jake raffl and Laughton read whoever. The transition has to be there and I haven't seen it.

- our d really does suck. It just does. Mdz is reverting back to old ways in the d zone. Gudas Schenn Manning Macdonald can barely earn and 6th d man spot. Streit Schultz have been average at best like they have for their careers.

- Mason is a god. When we can extend him he needs top 5 goalie money.

- we had very little turnovers and still were unable to create shots and chances as we've been out shot and out chanced in all our games

- we rely purely on the PP for offense and it needs to stop. Idc if it's the best pp in hockey it does not warrant you crappy 5 on 5 play.

- this team may very well be competing for Matthew's this year, and I'd be okay with it we need a premier top 6 scorer we just do. A guy who can score 40.
- Tfaehner

Agreed on all points but the bolded. Laughton has successfully been used as a shutdown center at every level to here minus his last OHL season, but even then he played a shutdown role in the WJC when he captained Canada. It's difficult to come into the league and be a premier shutdown center; Couts was an exception, not the rule.

He is going to has to be successful in that role, otherwise it will be difficult for him to make an NHL roster. It's not very likely that he will turn up his offensive output to another level during his time in the NHL. The odds are against him.

this team's top 9 isn't deep enough to have anyone out of the lineup and the defense is just bad. I think the Flyers have a playoff goalie, borderline playoff top 12 and a non playoff defense. Jake is still young enough at 26 and G isn't old at 28 but its a shame that they are probably 2-3 yrs away from being a team you say yes they are a playoff team at the beginning of the season. Now its more like they are borderline if they stay healthy and all goes right.
- nastyflyergirl

Agreed on you post. To add on the bolded part -- That's why you have to look at timing of drafting. I think we are closer to 3-4 years away from being a true contender for the Cup, based on the current group of d man prospects.

Even if Morin, Ghost and Provorov make the team next year, it's not realistic to see them come in and play to their full potential, if ever play to their full potential. Add a year for Sanheim. By the time all of them have made the to the NHL AND playing to their potential (again if they actually achieve that) G and Jake may be out of their prime. They'll need to have some of their forward prospects to pan out to have a chance. I'm confident that Hextall has a plan.

Agreed on you post. To add on the bolded part -- That's why you have to look at timing of drafting. I think we are closer to 3-4 years away from being a true contender for the Cup, based on the current group of d man prospects.

Even if Morin, Ghost and Provorov make the team next year, it's not realistic to see them come in and play to their full potential, if ever play to their full potential. Add a year for Sanheim. By the time all of them have made the to the NHL AND playing to their potential (again if they actually achieve that) G and Jake may be out of their prime. They'll need to have some of their forward prospects to pan out to have a chance. I'm confident that Hextall has a plan.
- VladDrag

I have a suspicion that Morin may not be ready next year. He obviously didn't have a good camp and reports are that he struggled in game(s) with the Phantoms. The players in the AHL will be much stronger than the boys he played with in the CHL. He's going to have to improve his skills, and that will take time. Some, including Bill, have said he might need a couple of years of professional experience before he's ready to make the jump.

Let's say Ghost is ready for a call up sometime this year, which I believe will be the case. Hagg hopefully progresses this year and might get a cup of coffee but is likely to need another year in the minors. There's a good chance that one of Sanheim or Provorov is ready next year.

The main problem I can see is physicality on the back-end. If you trade Schenn and Gudas doesn't pan out, and Morin is not ready to jump in, the Defense could be very soft.

Some here are going to hate this, but honestly the best case for the Flyers might be if Schenn can step up and be a part of the future, at least as a 5-6 guy. The big issue with him is his contract and what we gave up for him. If he were making Schultz money, he's not a bad guy to have around for the bottom pair.

At this point I'd be hesitant to trade him until things play out a little.

Did anyone see the game or was it not televised anywhere?
- funmaster18

I think it was on Comedy Central.

I have a suspicion that Morin may not be ready next year. He obviously didn't have a good camp and reports are that he struggled in game(s) with the Phantoms. The players in the AHL will be much stronger than the boys he played with in the CHL. He's going to have to improve his skills, and that will take time. Some, including Bill, have said he might need a couple of years of professional experience before he's ready to make the jump.

Let's say Ghost is ready for a call up sometime this year, which I believe will be the case. Hagg hopefully progresses this year and might get a cup of coffee but is likely to need another year in the minors. There's a good chance that one of Sanheim or Provorov is ready next year.

The main problem I can see is physicality on the back-end. If you trade Schenn and Gudas doesn't pan out, and Morin is not ready to jump in, the Defense could be very soft.

Some here are going to hate this, but honestly the best case for the Flyers might be if Schenn can step up and be a part of the future, at least as a 5-6 guy. The big issue with him is his contract and what we gave up for him. If he were making Schultz money, he's not a bad guy to have around for the bottom pair.

At this point I'd be hesitant to trade him until things play out a little.
- TheGreat28

Hard to argue with any of this except for the part about trading Luke Schenn. They are going nowhere this year, nor will they be a cup contender in 16-17. I'm not advocating giving Luke away, but if a team makes a legit offer, he needs to go.

I do think that Ghost could and most likely should be up before the end of the season. I also expect that Streit will get traded at the deadline to create a spot for the kid. Morin could probably use a full season in the AHL, but I think will be ready for at least a 3rd pair role by the start of 16-17. Provorov, IMO, will be on the club next year, Sanheim though, will probably need a year in the AHL. Hagg is the real wildcard, the skill set to play in the NHL is there, it's really up to him to bear down and focus to become an NHL player. He could be ready next week or he could end up being a bust, time will tell.

Either way, it's going to take time and patience.

My unimportant observations that only matter to me but someone may find at least slightly interesting.

- giroux continues his 5 on 5 slump. He hasn't produced at 5 on 5 in well over a year now at a consistent rate. Jake has also struggled since last year's all star game. I don't hear or see them getting the separation they once did. That could be a product of not having raffl as he is very good at creating and puck movement.
- Tfaehner

I think there's two parts to this. One, with no real threat among the other lines, teams can key on the 1st line. Hence my concern about Couturier/Laughton as your 2 and 3. I know, dead horse beatings.

But long-term they really might need a stronger fit than Raffl for the 3rd amigo. Raffl is clearly the best fit based on what the team has now. But he's not really a playmaker. He only had a handful of assists last year. Not that he needs to be the driving force of the line, but one thing Hartsy could do was get his linemates the puck in a position to score. I think that really helps in the 5 on 5 play.

I like Raffl more as a 2nd or 3rd line wing, but at this point he's the best of the lot.

I think it was on Comedy Central.
- PLindbergh31

More like Friday Night Horror

Hard to argue with any of this except for the part about trading Luke Schenn. They are going nowhere this year, nor will they be a cup contender in 16-17. I'm not advocating giving Luke away, but if a team makes a legit offer, he needs to go.

I do think that Ghost could and most likely should be up before the end of the season. I also expect that Streit will get traded at the deadline to create a spot for the kid. Morin could probably use a full season in the AHL, but I think will be ready for at least a 3rd pair role by the start of 16-17. Provorov, IMO, will be on the club next year, Sanheim though, will probably need a year in the AHL. Hagg is the real wildcard, the skill set to play in the NHL is there, it's really up to him to bear down and focus to become an NHL player. He could be ready next week or he could end up being a bust, time will tell.

Either way, it's going to take time and patience.
- BiggE

I like the thought of moving streit for a good return, but it would be really nice if we had a better mix and more room to be able to hold onto streit for a year and have him mentor ghost a bit. I think that could be very helpful to the young player.