@sportsnetirf: Hutton - "The smile is large and in charge today, that's for sure." #Canucks

It boils down to asset management. If we're trading away 2nd round picks to take a chance on a guy like Vey or Baert then management clearly saw something in them. Both Vey and Corrado are RFA at the end of the year and LV will def have to clear re-entry waivers (not sure about FC).

You can say Vey had a year to prove himself, but this season is a write off and rather than throwing these assets away, lets accumulate as much as we can get out of them and look forward to building a contender in 3-5 years. That might be a tough pill to swallow but it beats another 20 years of mediocrity.

I personally keep biega as the 7th dman. cheaper cap hit, expensive ahl salary. let hutton come back when someone gets hurt.
- Max.Betts

No such thing.

It boils down to asset management. If we're trading away 2nd round picks to take a chance on a guy like Vey or Baert then management clearly saw something in them. Both Vey and Corrado are RFA at the end of the year and LV will def have to clear re-entry waivers (not sure about FC).

You can say Vey had a year to prove himself, but this season is a write off and rather than throwing these assets away, lets accumulate as much as we can get out of them and look forward to building a contender in 3-5 years. That might be a tough pill to swallow but it beats another 20 years of mediocrity.

I personally keep biega as the 7th dman. cheaper cap hit, expensive ahl salary. let hutton come back when someone gets hurt.
- Max.Betts

that was a stupid move on JBs part. I never liked how any of that went down. i've said it before... Garrison should NOT have been traded. should have traded BIeksa who was already trending down.

Garrison is a solid top 4 player. Vey was just a waste for a 2nd round pick.

why build a contender in 3-5 years. build on the fly like we're doing. i like the idea of on the fly building but it means you have to maximize assets.. not dump solid guys like garrison over guys going down like Bieksa...

Hutton outplayed Biega and Corrado. Which is why he is on the roster regardless of contract status and cap situation.
- fiveandagame

He is probably the only naturally offensive defenseman on the team, can only help the powerplay having him and his creativity out there

that was a stupid move on JBs part. I never liked how any of that went down. i've said it before... Garrison should NOT have been traded. should have traded BIeksa who was already trending down.

Garrison is a solid top 4 player. Vey was just a waste for a 2nd round pick.

why build a contender in 3-5 years. build on the fly like we're doing. i like the idea of on the fly building but it means you have to maximize assets.. not dump solid guys like garrison over guys going down like Bieksa...
- kaptaan

And yet both those guys are gone. I wonder which one was the chicken and which the egg.

that was a stupid move on JBs part. I never liked how any of that went down. i've said it before... Garrison should NOT have been traded. should have traded BIeksa who was already trending down.

Garrison is a solid top 4 player. Vey was just a waste for a 2nd round pick.

why build a contender in 3-5 years. build on the fly like we're doing. i like the idea of on the fly building but it means you have to maximize assets.. not dump solid guys like garrison over guys going down like Bieksa...
- kaptaan

Hindsight is 20/20. At the time of the Garrison trade Benning was trying to roll over a stale roster filled with NTC's. Bieksa was a top 4 D man while Garrison was making 4.5 in a 5/6 roll.

Benning traded a 2nd for Vey (as he did for Sven) to bridge the age gap between the vets and the recent draft picks. The Canucks had nobody under the age of 25 that was going to step in a make an impact anytime soon. I think the Canucks are pretty fortunate to have Horvat looking ready for a 2nd line roll and the potential of McCann, Virtanen and Hutton coming down the pipe so quickly. I don't think anyone could have predicted this 14 months ago.

Hutton outplayed Biega and Corrado. Which is why he is on the roster regardless of contract status and cap situation.
- fiveandagame

I think Biega was a safe demotion.

From what I've seen of Corrado, he is prolly best served to return to Utica and play more minutes. Corrado, sitting in the press box doesn't make the on ice product any better.

Hutton makes the on ice product better from what we saw of the preseason and can be sent down if it doesn't workout for now.

He is probably the only naturally offensive defenseman on the team, can only help the powerplay having him and his creativity out there
- WhiteLie

Even though he was a 5th round pick, he was in the running for the Hobby Baker a couple of years ago. He is 22 years old (not 18), and is 6'3" 200. There is a lot to be optimistic about.

You left out Bloated. He may be banned again.

- boonerbuck

Nope still here.

I was the one who posted "well done Trevor and Jim". Max replied with "that's sarcasm right?" And away we went.

I'll give props when props are due. I've lobbied for the young guys to be played and they are playing the young guys. No complaints from me.

I remember folks saying that Vey was in a bad situation in LA because he was victim of a deep roster. I guess the acquisition of Cracknell has given the canucks a deep roster.

Edit: Vey reminds me of Kyle Wellwood without the skill.

that was a stupid move on JBs part. I never liked how any of that went down. i've said it before... Garrison should NOT have been traded. should have traded BIeksa who was already trending down.

Garrison is a solid top 4 player. Vey was just a waste for a 2nd round pick.

why build a contender in 3-5 years. build on the fly like we're doing. i like the idea of on the fly building but it means you have to maximize assets.. not dump solid guys like garrison over guys going down like Bieksa...
- kaptaan

Just jump man.

that was a stupid move on JBs part. I never liked how any of that went down. i've said it before... Garrison should NOT have been traded. should have traded BIeksa who was already trending down.

Garrison is a solid top 4 player. Vey was just a waste for a 2nd round pick.

why build a contender in 3-5 years. build on the fly like we're doing. i like the idea of on the fly building but it means you have to maximize assets.. not dump solid guys like garrison over guys going down like Bieksa...
- kaptaan

Just jump man.

I remember folks saying that Vey was in a bad situation in LA because he was victim of a deep roster. I guess the acquisition of Cracknell has given the canucks a deep roster.
- bloatedmosquito

Before Sven was acquired, I could have seen Vey on the 2nd line wing.

Vey has to be better.

If Cracknell doesn't work out at 4th line centre, I wonder if they would call up Cassels or other prospect before Vey?

Do you think Cracknell should be on waivers before Vey?

So are roster is at 23 with Higgins? I bet Gaunce gets recalled

Linden is on 1040

And yet both those guys are gone. I wonder which one was the chicken and which the egg.
- 1970vintage

the only reason they're both gone is cuz JB made a stupid move in trading Garrison instead of just trading Bieksa.

Garrison would still be here stabilizing our D. the guy was solid in his own end and could make a first pass without giving it away. he also literally damaged players with his heavy shot.

opposing centres or forwards couldn't outmuscle the guy...

Just jump man.
- Bieksa#3

go frank yourself

I remember folks saying that Vey was in a bad situation in LA because he was victim of a deep roster. I guess the acquisition of Cracknell has given the canucks a deep roster.

Edit: Vey reminds me of Kyle Wellwood without the skill.
- bloatedmosquito

I rememer when you wanted to fit our prospect pool for kessel

Before Sven was acquired, I could have seen Vey on the 2nd line wing.

Vey has to be better.

If Cracknell doesn't work out at 4th line centre, I wonder if they would call up Cassels or other prospect before Vey?

Do you think Cracknell should be on waivers before Vey?
- hillbillydeluxe

No. Cracknell is a responsible NHL 4th line player. Knows his role and doesn't mind mixing it up a bit. No need to waste talent centring a line of Prust and Dorsett. I think it was a no brainer. Obviously canuck management was thinking there was the potential of Vey not being ready or they wouldn't have gone out and got Cracknell.

I'm throwing Vey in the same pile as Jensen. Sven might still land on that pile but he's played well in the pre-season. Pleasant surprise.

Hindsight is 20/20. At the time of the Garrison trade Benning was trying to roll over a stale roster filled with NTC's. Bieksa was a top 4 D man while Garrison was making 4.5 in a 5/6 roll.

Benning traded a 2nd for Vey (as he did for Sven) to bridge the age gap between the vets and the recent draft picks. The Canucks had nobody under the age of 25 that was going to step in a make an impact anytime soon. I think the Canucks are pretty fortunate to have Horvat looking ready for a 2nd line roll and the potential of McCann, Virtanen and Hutton coming down the pipe so quickly. I don't think anyone could have predicted this 14 months ago.
- fiveandagame

i panned the move at the time and said it should be bieksa that goes... so it's not hindsight on my part.

i'm glad though that young players are earning their way into the lineup.

if Edler has a decent season i think mgmt should strong arm him into accepting a trade out of town so we get some decent assets back...

go frank yourself
- kaptaan

Is Skippy your nickname on your alt account.

the only reason they're both gone is cuz JB made a stupid move in trading Garrison instead of just trading Bieksa.

Garrison would still be here stabilizing our D. the guy was solid in his own end and could make a first pass without giving it away. he also literally damaged players with his heavy shot.

opposing centres or forwards couldn't outmuscle the guy...
- kaptaan

I think you forget, if Garrison was still on this roster there is no way we could have Sbisa's contract and still be under the cap. Would have lost Sbisa as a UFA.

And that would have been a shame.

that was a stupid move on JBs part. I never liked how any of that went down. i've said it before... Garrison should NOT have been traded. should have traded BIeksa who was already trending down.

Garrison is a solid top 4 player. Vey was just a waste for a 2nd round pick.

why build a contender in 3-5 years. build on the fly like we're doing. i like the idea of on the fly building but it means you have to maximize assets.. not dump solid guys like garrison over guys going down like Bieksa...
- kaptaan

Still pretending Bieksa was ok with being traded a year earlier are you? He was stern on not wanting to be moved... but you keep insisting they could have moved him. You don't know that. It's a baseless assumption.

Look how many young guys are in the line up. Stop with the on the fly routine... clearly we are transitioning towards a rebuild... just waiting for contracts to expire of for vets to waive in their final contract year.

Nope still here.

I was the one who posted "well done Trevor and Jim". Max replied with "that's sarcasm right?" And away we went.

I'll give props when props are due. I've lobbied for the young guys to be played and they are playing the young guys. No complaints from me.
- bloatedmosquito

cheers

the only reason they're both gone is cuz JB made a stupid move in trading Garrison instead of just trading Bieksa.

Garrison would still be here stabilizing our D. the guy was solid in his own end and could make a first pass without giving it away. he also literally damaged players with his heavy shot.

opposing centres or forwards couldn't outmuscle the guy...
- kaptaan

Keeping Garrison would be treading water on the fly.