Pokkas hit is actually $350k more than Svedbergs
- FourFeathers773

Actually I thought it was a lot more than that??

Those were some big bread crumbs left but yes.
- stljam

ok. ok.

but i hope isn't you hinting at Gretzky was no good?

NMC and NTC have ZERO effect on a player ultimately being traded unless it is a veteran in his final year of a contract. The clause may slow things down a bit but players ultimately go when not wanted....Usually the wife blesses the new location and a deal is done.
- Al

Yup

That's probably the last time but not really comparable...Weight had no future with the Blues... Plus he was with the Blues on only a 2 yr deal and it was a deadline trade because they had no intention of resigning.
- Al

Very true. The scuttle around town was they really dropped the hammer on him to accept the trade and even threatened sending him to the press box. It was kind of sad in a way but really illustrated that this is a business first and foremost.

ok. ok.

but i hope isn't you hinting at Gretzky was no good?
- Fountain-San

Just hinting that he had a rep of being a "whiny little tool" as well...though the tool word was replaced with the term for a female dog in the circles I heard it.

Very true. The scuttle around town was they really dropped the hammer on him to accept the trade and even threatened sending him to the press box. It was kind of sad in a way but really illustrated that this is a business first and foremost.
- stljam

I think all an NMC or NTC does is give the player some control over where they go, or more precisely, where they won't go. Seems like players who have them get dealt all the time.

here are two more good ones.....

A co-worker of mine in the late 90s early 2000s played morning hockey with a bunch of ex-college players and Blues alumni. He played D2 college hockey all four years and was a pretty good player. Kelly Chase was a regular at those skates and would usually put up 6 goals per skate.

A friend of mine got to practice with a current blues player as a relative of his won a charity auction. At the end of the practice, the current player, my friend and enforcer DJ King played a game of post DJ King won the game and put 20 in a row off the post.

Two guys with "hands of stone" likely have better hands than every player most of us have played with or against.
- stljam

Exactly.....At every level and in every sport it is always a matter of who you play against.

The NHL in terms of skill and depth from teams #1-#30 is light years ahead of every other league anywhere in the world.

I was told a team asked that the Hawks showcase Pokka before the last preseason game against the Blues. You might be right.
- John Jaeckel

And here's what's interesting per Q's comments today: the rumored deal was for Bickell, Pokka was a sweetener.

I think all an NMC or NTC does is give the player some control over where they go, or more precisely, where they won't go. Seems like players who have them get dealt all the time.
- John Jaeckel

Your last sentence is accurate otherwise they wouldn't be given out so freely.

And here's what's interesting per Q's comments today: the rumored deal was for Bickell, Pokka was a sweetener.
- John Jaeckel

Polka has the perfect MO for a trade...Coming off a good season compared to others in Rockford, formerly well thought of when drafted and now may have lost his place in line.

Polka has the perfect MO for a trade...Coming off a good season compared to others in Rockford, formerly well thought of when drafted and now may have lost his place in line.
- Al

They have Rundblad and TVR as lower-pairing right side guys; why bring Pokka back up for 'hockey" reasons? Could be a showcase.

malfeasance?

I think all an NMC or NTC does is give the player some control over where they go, or more precisely, where they won't go. Seems like players who have them get dealt all the time.
- John Jaeckel

The way I would explain it is that it ensures that they (and/or their agent) get to be a part of the process. It makes them feel better and keeps them feeling like they have a say but it isn't really an absolute sort of thing (sans people at the end of their career or at the end of the contract as you outlined).

They have Rundblad and TVR as lower-pairing right side guys; why bring Pokka back up for 'hockey" reasons? Could be a showcase.
- John Jaeckel

Was talking with Block on a podcast about a week ago...They are overloaded on right side....Block was wondering if Rundbald could be dealt becasue he played so much in preseason??

Was talking with Block on a podcast about a week ago...They are overloaded on right side....Block was wondering if Rundbald could be dealt becasue he played so much in preseason??
- Al

I've been saying that here for a while, lots of righty options (Rozy, TVR, Rundblad) not much on the left

Did anyone get a good sense at how Panarin handled the physicality of the NHL on Saturday? I was only able to catch the NHL channel's condensed encore presentation so I know I missed a lot.

Did anyone get a good sense at how Panarin handled the physicality of the NHL on Saturday? I was only able to catch the NHL channel's condensed encore presentation so I know I missed a lot.
- maria_wyeth

He is strong like bull.

He should be fine.

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Roster is set, right?

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Roster is set, right?
- tangulo1988

You have to be down to 23 players on the roster (non-IR) but the roster is not necessarily set.

Some on here feel the media is to blame. Kane did nothing to bring any of this on himself. It's all the rat bastard media.

My question is, why is the media against Kane (and not, say, Hjalmarsson or TT or Shaw) if he's such a wonderful human being, in addition to being a great hockey player? Why are they picking on him? At the same time, why do these things keep happening to him if he's such a great guy?

Or . . . or . . .
- John Jaeckel

Just my 2 cents on this but on one side we have those who blindly defend Kane and on the other side we have some in the media that have already convicted him even with no charges being filed. Wouldn't be more prudent to let the legal process play out before making any judgements for or against Kane.

He is strong like bull.

He should be fine.
- John Jaeckel

Thanks! I did notice him already backchecking more than Kane (which isn't hard to do, I know) and thought that was a good sign for playing in Q's system.

Just my 2 cents on this but on one side we have those who blindly defend Kane and on the other side we have some in the media that have already convicted him even with no charges being filed. Wouldn't be more prudent to let the legal process play out before making any judgements for or against Kane.
- jhawk159

No...that would make too much sense.

Did anyone get a good sense at how Panarin handled the physicality of the NHL on Saturday? I was only able to catch the NHL channel's condensed encore presentation so I know I missed a lot.
- maria_wyeth

He's fast and looks pretty strong. I think his quickness will help him avoid a lot of physicality. Did you see the neutral zone dance he did? Three or four stars were just waiving their sticks at the puck--they couldn't get a body on him.

Moving Patrick Kane only becomes a relevant option if Panarin is lights out (which he probably will be) and TT puts BOFA all over everyone skating with Toews and Hossa.

Panarin has the "clutch" factor (at least he did in Russia) and if that translates here then there may be a close to like replacement. Provided he knows better than to smack around any women (though the Hawks are pretty forgiving in that regard).

Either way, I think this conversation is best revisited around the all star break or at the closing of the year where we have a better idea what these younger guys can do.

Also, not at all unrealistic to throw this out there. It is a viable discussion, especially in a salary cap league. Unless they know that the CBA will change again with some sort of luxury tax in which case the Hawks will be in OK shape.

He's fast and looks pretty strong. I think his quickness will help him avoid a lot of physicality. Did you see the neutral zone dance he did? Three or four stars were just waiving their sticks at the puck--they couldn't get a body on him.
- Hank3Henshaw

He also was able to hold a bigger guy off by getting into the athletic position. He is strong, explosive, and going to be very much fun to watch.