Did you see the neutral zone dance he did? Three or four stars were just waiving their sticks at the puck--they couldn't get a body on him.
- Hank3Henshaw

Yes Please May I Have Another!!

Not saying that Pokka isn't up in order to potentially showcase him, but the main reason he is here is because his salary number fits the best for the Hawks.

They needed to get their total cap # to be as close to 71.4 as possible, after putting Rozy on LTIR. Svedberg makes 575k and Pokka makes 925k. By having Pokka up, the Hawks before Rozy LTIR are $539k over the cap. Had they left Svedberg up, they would only be $189k over the cap and that then influences how much they can spend later in the season when Rozy is still on LTIR. This way, they can spend up to that $539k over the cap as long as Rozy is still on LTIR.

They did the same thing last year or the year before with Stephen Johns. Had him on the roster because his salary fit the equation the best and then once the roster was locked down, he was shipped back to Rockford and someone else was brought up.

I think on WED we could send Pokka down and recall Svedberg. With johns it was only a day, maybe 2 and he never dressed for a game. if they did it the other way, you could not changed them in 3 weeks if Svedberg is not doing well. I think Svedberg and TVR play on WED. just a hunch.

And here's what's interesting per Q's comments today: the rumored deal was for Bickell, Pokka was a sweetener.
- John Jaeckel

Maybe whoever the team was realized the nobody looked trade worthy from that game? JJ have you heard anything? would the Hawks be talking trade or salary dump type deal? or is this as surprising to you as well?

He also was able to hold a bigger guy off by getting into the athletic position. He is strong, explosive, and going to be very much fun to watch.
- fattybeef

Yes, and I forgot to add that he has the strength to push through checks in the corners and behind the net. He's a solid player.

Not saying that Pokka isn't up in order to potentially showcase him, but the main reason he is here is because his salary number fits the best for the Hawks.

They needed to get their total cap # to be as close to 71.4 as possible, after putting Rozy on LTIR. Svedberg makes 575k and Pokka makes 925k. By having Pokka up, the Hawks before Rozy LTIR are $539k over the cap. Had they left Svedberg up, they would only be $189k over the cap and that then influences how much they can spend later in the season when Rozy is still on LTIR. This way, they can spend up to that $539k over the cap as long as Rozy is still on LTIR.

They did the same thing last year or the year before with Stephen Johns. Had him on the roster because his salary fit the equation the best and then once the roster was locked down, he was shipped back to Rockford and someone else was brought up.
- jpetersen5

Right and Quenneville mentioned today they would be doing some roster gymnastics for cap reasons. Just like you laid out, Pokka is here for now because the money fits better on Day One.

Incredible reference. Awesome Still want that jacket so bad. I guess he filmed that part for John Hughes for free, just because they were friends. He was a family friend to a buddy of mine and he said that at family parties or at a get together, he always told everyone to just call him Uncle John. One of the true good guys.


- Hank3Henshaw[url]

I am walking out the door, so not now, but remind me and I will tell you about when I talked to John Candy and made him laugh at the Stadium

I am walking out the door, so not now, but remind me and I will tell you about when I talked to John Candy and made him laugh at the Stadium
- wiz1901

Oh man...I def want to hear this story!!

He's fast and looks pretty strong. I think his quickness will help him avoid a lot of physicality. Did you see the neutral zone dance he did? Three or four stars were just waiving their sticks at the puck--they couldn't get a body on him.
- Hank3Henshaw

Yes, that dance was quite impressive. It was after that I stopped giving my sister such a hard time for calling him "Russian Kane."

He also was able to hold a bigger guy off by getting into the athletic position. He is strong, explosive, and going to be very much fun to watch.
- fattybeef

Oh awesome. I'm really excited to see what this kid can do.

Yes, and I forgot to add that he has the strength to push through checks in the corners and behind the net. He's a solid player.
- Hank3Henshaw

Thanks for the responses! I'm glad to hear he was pushing through checks, that's the area I thought would maybe be the most difficult transition.

Thanks for the responses! I'm glad to hear he was pushing through checks, that's the area I thought would maybe be the most difficult transition.
- maria_wyeth

He looks like a guy who has a good motor--never looked gassed.

I think on WED we could send Pokka down and recall Svedberg. With johns it was only a day, maybe 2 and he never dressed for a game. if they did it the other way, you could not changed them in 3 weeks if Svedberg is not doing well. I think Svedberg and TVR play on WED. just a hunch.
- kmw4631

Based on the interview with Q on the score today I think your correct

He looks like a guy who has a good motor--never looked gassed.
- Hank3Henshaw

Wait to judge that until game 65 or so. Lehtera looked fine and then slowed down at the end.

Based on all the tweets earlier in the day the roster moves announced so far are pretty anticlimactic and predictable - both Darth Kane and I called it.

Oh, I'm in no way disputing he was wrong that it held the rape kit - though without seeing how big the bag was, it's not like a bag can't be used to hold a box.

And by authenticated, I would think the bag was authenticated by someone that night as it did contain something that was put in there as potential evidence, so my assumption is there was likely some signatures/initials on it.
- stashu

Stashu, it was reportedly the bag given to the family to collect the accuser's shirt (if I recall)--which apparently didn't happen since the family still possessed the bag.

Seemed more than odd to me when the bag first turned up. No surprise to some, but when dealing with health, privacy, or other sensitive information (like personal info on the bag), one of three actions will generally be required for information security. The info is securely stored, destroyed, or placed in the custody of the individual or selected family member. Since I didn't buy the gross negligence argument, the bag turning up out of the blue at their house simply didn't seem legit

Looking forward to a just conclusion to this, regardless of outcome

Incredible reference. Awesome Still want that jacket so bad. I guess he filmed that part for John Hughes for free, just because they were friends. He was a family friend to a buddy of mine and he said that at family parties or at a get together, he always told everyone to just call him Uncle John. One of the true good guys.


- Hank3Henshaw[url]

He absolutely was Hank! John just wanted to have fun, make people laugh and not hurt a soul. Very, very smart man as well as talented.

Based on all the tweets earlier in the day the roster moves announced so far are pretty anticlimactic and predictable - both Darth Kane and I called it.
- Marlowe

Guessing Pokka doesn't change addresses...nor does Svedberg, for now?

Kane didn't get going until Q juggled (with last change in Game 4 and game 6 especially) and got a mismatch–i.e. Hedman off Kane. Fact. Everyone saw that.

No one doubts you'd be trading a really really good player. I'm not saying they SHOULD trade him. My opinion is, they might.
- John Jaeckel

Well then essentially - Stamkos, Perry, Getzlaf, Parise, Kopitar....are all expendable players because Keith has shut them all down at one time or another in the playoffs

The fact Q has the simple ability to move a superstar like Kane around - and he produces when it's done - is enough to prove the point the Hawks have no one else with the capability to do that and have those ridiculous playoff numbers. Even though Hedman "shut him down".

Great players have the ability to take the open ice when they get it, or the one/two mismatch shifts when they happen. Kane has proven over and over and over again he is clutch/a winner. Not many other players in the league have consistently done that.

Playoff numbers -
Kane - 116gms - 48g - 114pts - 10gwg
Crosb - 100gms - 43g - 118pts - 6gwg
Toews - 117gms - 39g - 102pts - 10wg
Malkin - 101gms - 42g - 111pts - 10gwg
Dtsyuk - 152gms -42g - 113pts - 7gwg
Zttbrg - 132gms - 56g - 119pts - 8gwg

Not sure what player someone can come up with better than Kane's playoff production/success...or the idea that if moved, they have anyone in the wings ready to fill that void. He's a generational player even if considered a "perimeter" player. Not sure you score 48g in 116 playoff games on the perimeter

I think JJ hit the nail on the head. I would go further and say that most likely TT and Dano become good rw. Both could end up costing the same cap space as Kane. The question then is are two good players that have it in them to at least verge on greatness better than one great player who will be aging?

Kane might be doing the Hawks a solid by being moved at the prime value at the end of the season. The most likely destinations in my mind will be teams in smaller markets seeking to grow and with poor leadership. Bc frankly they would be betting a lot on a player who could bring it all down wth off ice antics. When the nhl starts testing for cocaine use who is going to be caught? could it be a hard partier like kane who stories hold recreationally uses?

Moving Patrick Kane only becomes a relevant option if Panarin is lights out (which he probably will be) and TT puts BOFA all over everyone skating with Toews and Hossa.

Panarin has the "clutch" factor (at least he did in Russia) and if that translates here then there may be a close to like replacement. Provided he knows better than to smack around any women (though the Hawks are pretty forgiving in that regard).

Either way, I think this conversation is best revisited around the all star break or at the closing of the year where we have a better idea what these younger guys can do.

Also, not at all unrealistic to throw this out there. It is a viable discussion, especially in a salary cap league. Unless they know that the CBA will change again with some sort of luxury tax in which case the Hawks will be in OK shape.
- fattybeef

Not unrealistic but highly unlikely to ever happen during the season because Kane won't be dealt for only one NHL player if he ever is traded. That makes for a reconstruction of the roster.

Wait to judge that until game 65 or so. Lehtera looked fine and then slowed down at the end.
- stljam

same happen to tarasenko and a number of other russian imports in their first season.

Well then essentially - Stamkos, Perry, Getzlaf, Parise, Kopitar....are all expendable players because Keith has shut them all down at one time or another in the playoffs

The fact Q has the simple ability to move a superstar like Kane around - and he produces when it's done - is enough to prove the point the Hawks have no one else with the capability to do that and have those ridiculous playoff numbers. Even though Hedman "shut him down".

Great players have the ability to take the open ice when they get it, or the one/two mismatch shifts when they happen. Kane has proven over and over and over again he is clutch/a winner. Not many other players in the league have consistently done that.

Playoff numbers -
Kane - 116gms - 48g - 114pts - 10gwg
Crosb - 100gms - 43g - 118pts - 6gwg
Toews - 117gms - 39g - 102pts - 10wg
Malkin - 101gms - 42g - 111pts - 10gwg
Dtsyuk - 152gms -42g - 113pts - 7gwg
Zttbrg - 132gms - 56g - 119pts - 8gwg

Not sure what player someone can come up with better than Kane's playoff production/success...or the idea that if moved, they have anyone in the wings ready to fill that void. He's a generational player even if considered a "perimeter" player. Not sure you score 48g in 116 playoff games on the perimeter
- PatShart

Malkin's GWG rate is amazing. Toews is as well for someone who isn't know as much as a goal scorer.

I hope that in a few years Tarasenko is added to that list. He is:

Tank - 12 gms - 10g - 11pts - 2gwg

Malkin's GWG rate is amazing. Toews is as well for someone who isn't know as much as a goal scorer.

I hope that in a few years Tarasenko is added to that list. He is:

Tank - 12 gms - 10g - 11pts - 2gwg
- stljam

Well then essentially - Stamkos, Perry, Getzlaf, Parise, Kopitar....are all expendable players because Keith has shut them all down at one time or another in the playoffs

The fact Q has the simple ability to move a superstar like Kane around - and he produces when it's done - is enough to prove the point the Hawks have no one else with the capability to do that and have those ridiculous playoff numbers. Even though Hedman "shut him down".

Great players have the ability to take the open ice when they get it, or the one/two mismatch shifts when they happen. Kane has proven over and over and over again he is clutch/a winner. Not many other players in the league have consistently done that.

Playoff numbers -
Kane - 116gms - 48g - 114pts - 10gwg
Crosb - 100gms - 43g - 118pts - 6gwg
Toews - 117gms - 39g - 102pts - 10wg
Malkin - 101gms - 42g - 111pts - 10gwg
Dtsyuk - 152gms -42g - 113pts - 7gwg
Zttbrg - 132gms - 56g - 119pts - 8gwg

Not sure what player someone can come up with better than Kane's playoff production/success...or the idea that if moved, they have anyone in the wings ready to fill that void. He's a generational player even if considered a "perimeter" player. Not sure you score 48g in 116 playoff games on the perimeter
- PatShart

That's basically what I was pointed out a few pages ago...Kane coming off an injury was far more noticeable and effective than Perry/Getzlaf or Stamkos were against the Hawks...

But Kane is on the better club.

Malkin's GWG rate is amazing. Toews is as well for someone who isn't know as much as a goal scorer.

I hope that in a few years Tarasenko is added to that list. He is:

Tank - 12 gms - 10g - 11pts - 2gwg
- stljam

Maybe in about 10 more years....when he hits 72 playoff games as a blue under his belt?