Lastly he (Q) stated that Hossa had his best camp to date and he is skating better than he ever has
- molly2522

Hossa is a stud. But we all know that.
Marian is one of those ageless wonders. Unless some thug takes a run at him (like Torres), can easily see the big man finish out his contract. I just ask, how does he maintain that effortless speed with every year that goes by?

Exactly and that was my point on the previous thread. if McDonough COULD trade the only straw that stirs the drink, as you say, in Sosa in his Cub tenure, why do people have a hard time understanding he could easily trade Kane and still have marketable faces, super star power here?

Lets not forget their are some VERY large, influential media members who are still very anti Kane and slowly making inroads with their reasoning. Not saying they are right, just pointing out not everyone is NOT giving him a standing ovation.......
- SteveRain

Some on here feel the media is to blame. Kane did nothing to bring any of this on himself. It's all the rat bastard media.

My question is, why is the media against Kane (and not, say, Hjalmarsson or TT or Shaw) if he's such a wonderful human being, in addition to being a great hockey player? Why are they picking on him? At the same time, why do these things keep happening to him if he's such a great guy?

Or . . . or . . .

Hossa is a stud. But we all know that.
Marian is one of those ageless wonders. Unless some thug takes a run at him (like Torres), can easily see the big man finish out his contract. I just ask, how does he maintain that effortless speed with every year that goes by?


- savvyone-1

I've said it before, anytime anyone asks I tell them to watch Marian Hossa. With the puck he's a possession demon. Without the puck he'll back check you into a take away. Just a complete player and a joy to watch. If I had one criticism I'd say his interviews are kinda lousy....lol.

A. YES!

B. No, you don't know that, that's your opinion (I suspect) because you've wanted to exonerate Kane all along. Fine. But there are all kinds of scenarios that could have unfolded that night—with or without his participation, or knowledge—but definitely in his home when he was there.

I also suspect nothing more will come to light publicly. My opinion is it's because money will exchange hands. The actual facts will never come to light publicly. The Hawks likely know a lot more than you or I, that's what matters.
- John Jaeckel

B. Yes. I do know that. It is a fact. Her lawyer quit her case because her mom(family) lied to him about the evidence bag and presented it to him as tampered evidence when it was not. How in the hell is that my opinion? Or did you not read it correctly?

I'm going to choose to look at this more logistically...what team can and is willing to take a 10.5 million dollar cap hit? Additionally, what about Kane's NMC/NTC?

I'm trying to think of recent trades of players with big time cap hits. Not many ring a bell...Campbell, who else?
- Coca

Sharp. Also had some kind of no-movement clause I believe.

Actually happens quite often. And if a team wants to make it happen, they usually do. In Kane's case, just my opinion, they absolutely could force it, FWIW.

Hawks make any official roster moves yet today ?

Hossa is a stud. But we all know that.
Marian is one of those ageless wonders. Unless some thug takes a run at him (like Torres), can easily see the big man finish out his contract. I just ask, how does he maintain that effortless speed with every year that goes by?


- savvyone-1

Savvy

Your effortless speed mention reminded me of something I saw at a fantasy camp a number of years ago. Dallas Drake was participating in the fantasy camp in one of his last years as a Blue. He was in his defensive zone when his team got control of the puck. One of the best non-pro players in that game took off with Drake for a two on one. This guy was pumping his legs, busting his arse as much as he could on this 2 on 1 with Drake. Drake took two full strides and a partial stride the entire length of the ice and easily kept up with the guy. It was unreal.

Here was a guy who was slow by NHL standard and only had to take 2.5 strides and to keep up with one of the best non-nhl guys on the ice through most of the duration of the rink. It tells you how much power and efficiency some have in their skating. I'll never forget how humbling that was.

B. Yes. I do know that. It is a fact. Her lawyer quit her case because her mom(family) lied to him about the evidence bag and presented it to him as tampered evidence when it was not. How in the hell is that my opinion? Or did you not read it correctly?
- SimpleJack

He said her mother lied. OK. the same attorney said Kane was guilty, no?

Even if her mother lied about the evidence bag, it does NOT prove the girl is lying about anything. I don't know where the girl said Kane sexually assaulted her. Am I mistaken? All we know is she claimed someone assaulted her at his home.

What you don't get is—all i'm saying and have been saying is the Hawks are concerned (and rightfully so) with a larger pattern of behavior. As far as this case, MOST of the theories set forth on this board are based on conjecture, including those convicting him of sexual assault.

But so are those exonerating him of any wrongdoing as well. There are lots of things he could have done wrong that night—aside from sexual assault.

The hawks are $300K under the cap so if they put Roz on LTIR ($600K) They only get $300K of his salary. I think they are working so they can be at the cap when they put him on LTIR and so they can bring up a player that makes $900 K. Sveberg makes only $575, so my guess is they will send him down. Call someone else up that makes 900K and then put Roz on LTIR and then swap Svedberg and the 900K player.

Do I have that correct?
- kmw4631

Makes sense based on what Hockey's Cap LTIR details cite.

Makes sense based on what Hockey's Cap LTIR details cite.
- blackhawk24

They did something similar last year with Johns. Called him up because his $800k got them closer to the ceiling and then sent him down almost immediately.

I give my 2 cents to this conversation and say no it is not. That is my educated guess. Because I don´t know.

Panarin, Anisimov and Kane ready for chemistry test
http://chicago.suntimes.c...kane-ready-chemistry-test

Sharp. Also had some kind of no-movement clause I believe.

Actually happens quite often. And if a team wants to make it happen, they usually do. In Kane's case, just my opinion, they absolutely could force it, FWIW.
- John Jaeckel

If the Hawk's are so worried about their brand, they may want to stop with the lousy business ethics. What other business could operate like that?

They did something similar last year with Johns. Called him up because his $800k got them closer to the ceiling and then sent him down almost immediately.
- MNHawk

And they could have done the exact same thing with Bickell should they have been able to show he's qualified for LTIR. Of course, that's moving around a lot more money and they'd have to be 100% certain Bickell will be able to stay on LTIR.

If the Hawk's are so worried about their brand, they may want to stop with the lousy business ethics. What other business could operate like that?
- Louielou

About 99% of those in America right now. It's called leverage.

If the Hawk's are so worried about their brand, they may want to stop with the lousy business ethics. What other business could operate like that?
- Louielou

what lousy biz ethics?

Kane will not get traded.

I almost feel like JJ is underrating Kane. Yes he is not a complete player, but you don't wan't 12 two way forwards on your team. I would say Kane is the best offensive forward in the league when it's time for the playoffs. Yes better than Crosby. I think he has 101 points in 101 playoffs games. And look att al the performances he has put up in very very important games in the playoffs. Just at his thats in the winning games this last playoffs.

Game 6 Nashville 1G 1A
Game 4 Minnesota 1G 1A
Game 7 Anaheim 0G 3A
Game 6 Tampa 1G 1A

And obviously he has done a lot more in the playoffs over the years(to much to write).

To say that a solide defensive prospect and a the No.3 pick in the next draft is a fair deal is for me crazy.

You never know exactly what you get in a prospect and a draft pick, but you do know
what you get fore Kane and that is W

Sharp. Also had some kind of no-movement clause I believe.

Actually happens quite often. And if a team wants to make it happen, they usually do. In Kane's case, just my opinion, they absolutely could force it, FWIW.
- John Jaeckel

I dont know

I have a hard time seeing Kane moving an ironclad full NMC if the trade isnt to a team that is a playoff/cup contender at the time of the trade or very near future and/or buffalo

Then by that train of thought, if a team is really a contender of sorts, are they really willing to shell out a big trade package AND eat/have $10.5 mil in cap space to devote to 1 player?

A lot of variables to consider and in the end I just think CHI opts to keep him based on the difficulty and/or perceived value of the return packages

Hossa is a stud. But we all know that.
Marian is one of those ageless wonders. Unless some thug takes a run at him (like Torres), can easily see the big man finish out his contract. I just ask, how does he maintain that effortless speed with every year that goes by?


- savvyone-1

Fast-twitch muscle fiber/genetics. Training, plyometrics, a great, natural skating stride.

Panarin, Anisimov and Kane ready for chemistry test
http://chicago.suntimes.c...kane-ready-chemistry-test
- MNHawk

Well if there's one test for a guy to be a real 2C, it'll show with Kane getting a TON of space to maneuver and plenty of passes.

We

Shall

See

29+ hours 'til puck drop.

I dont know

I have a hard time seeing Kane moving an ironclad full NMC if the trade isnt to a team that is a playoff/cup contender at the time of the trade or very near future and/or buffalo

Then by that train of thought, if a team is really a contender of sorts, are they really willing to shell out a big trade package AND eat/have $10.5 mil in cap space to devote to 1 player?

A lot of variables to consider and in the end I just think CHI opts to keep him based on the difficulty and/or perceived value of the return packages
- FourFeathers773

From a practical standpoint, you may very well be right.

He said her mother lied. OK. the same attorney said Kane was guilty, no?

Even if her mother lied about the evidence bag, it does NOT prove the girl is lying about anything. I don't know where the girl said Kane sexually assaulted her. Am I mistaken? All we know is she claimed someone assaulted her at his home.
- John Jaeckel

Agreed, i never said it proved the girl is lying, so not sure what you are trying to say.... My "B" was that her Lawyer quit her case because her family(mom) lied and presented fake false evidence. Makes the claim of rape by Kane almost impossible to move forward with to a GJ now(if the DNA evidence didnt do that already). I suspect the rest of the story when it comes out will result in some quiet resolution behind closed doors if anything. I also find it interesting that there seems to be some sort of reluctance or refusal by the girls friend(her main witness) to cooperate. As i understand if she were to cooperate and agree to testify then Kane could and would have been charged with the crime instantly, or the following day after they got the statements from the witness. Not 100% sure on that, but it makes sense. That just further raises my doubt about the initial claim is all i am saying.

Some on here feel the media is to blame. Kane did nothing to bring any of this on himself. It's all the rat bastard media.

My question is, why is the media against Kane (and not, say, Hjalmarsson or TT or Shaw) if he's such a wonderful human being, in addition to being a great hockey player? Why are they picking on him? At the same time, why do these things keep happening to him if he's such a great guy?

Or . . . or . . .
- John Jaeckel

yeah, I don't want to go there again......

The media has it in for Patrick kane and is hell bent on ruining him because...........

We can all speculate but nobody knows for sure what happened. My guess is something in a grey area, and to be fair........the only thing the Hawks will know is what Kane tells them or what their people can dig up, and I'm not sure a Hawk PI can out maneuver one of these large media ones, with local tie ins.

I don't have to like as a person, to admire him as a hockey player. Some of kane backers, per se, who have been lighting up twitter or radio shows good for their loyalty, but yikes......setting back education and man decades.

For the last time, if it's found that this woman was a sociopath and made this whole thing to grab cash, I will gladly eat crow. However, if this is settled out of court, or Kane is convicted, then I hope those who are hell bent on the innocent until proven guilty train come forward as well.

No matter what, an out of court settlement in something like this reveals that at some point Kane did something that wasn't acceptable or right to this woman and wouldn't win in a court room. That's why people settle......because a star athlete with a brand and HUGE money at stake can't take that loss in a court room.

Omg Not this Blog again seriously I thought we were done with this nonsense.
Go watch every single playoff goal from 2010,2013, and 2015 and see how much Kane is involved. Un-franking-believable.

Yeah I agree, with Kane's off ice issues, I'm not sure many teams would give full value for kane. Maybe if you take advantage of a team that needs him for hockey market purposes? (Phoenix, Florida)