Sharp had a modified NTC and the return was below fair value in most people's opinions. What recent star player has waived their NMC against their will?http://www.generalfanager.com/players/530
- jfkst1

Is 8 years ago recent?

Doug Weight - December 2007

http://www.stltoday.com/s...9a-a650-e7cbbdffce8c.html

I still contend it was something in the grey area. The accuser feels strongly enough to go get a rape kit, go to police, and still not back down. Now regarding her mother she claims she didn't know....until it's proven she did, you have to dismiss that. How a lawyer in that area doesn't know what the official rape kit box/bag looks like is also something to question. proves that guy is also a clown.

What I found interesting, is Kane is dating a woman YET nobody, not 1 Chicago media member has reached out to this person to get her take of her boyfriend involved in this. Granted it's probably a no comment, but I continue to be shocked at the lack of balls 97% of the media in this town have. Truly amazing.
- SteveRain

Question:

How does a mother that TRULY believes her daughter was raped go to the lengths that she did, threatening to ruin her daughters case, ruin her credibility, force her lawyer to step down??? was she really just that stupid? That careless? With it being 6 weeks into the investigation to risk her daughters case? By creating a fake piece of evidence and trying to lie to her lawyer? That is very, VERY hard for me to believe. Not from a mother that you're trying to tell me truly believes that the truth is on her daughters side and is fighting it legally.

Almost not provable.
- John Jaeckel

Not to mention Nill is going to try and hedge that trade by breathing some life support into Sharps likely career decline by throwing him next to two elite players in their prime (Seguin, Benn) because anywhere else in that lineup, Sharps production likely nose dives (even with Spezza) and that trade starts to look pretty foolish on Nills part in trading for an aging winger with a large cap hit.

Remember, Spezza, a one time 90 pt player and several 85+ pt player, only managed to put together 62 pts. Pretty meh for his resume and playing on a team that was all offense and abysmal defensively.

Nill isnt dumb, he knows the only way to protect that investment is to hope Seguin and Benn carry him for a bunch of secondary assists and tap ins.

I liked the trade for CHI because I liked garbutt before I ever saw him play preseason and thought he was underrated and I think Daley will be a HUGE help moving the puck up and a massive offensive threat on the blue line for the PP

OK, what players have waived their full NMCs at all? Only instances I can think of are players on rebuilding teams. Which I suppose could be the case in two years, but seems unlikely.
- jfkst1

i think once a player knows his team wants to move on from him, he waives. in most cases anyway.

So she or someone from her camp has released a statement that has updated and changed their initial claim? It is no longer just rape and now that Kane was just partially responsible for "something"? Or are you just making this up?

Because until i see a new statement released, preferably from the DA, then this is still a rape claim against Kane and not something else. If it were something else, truly something else, then why did she start it off by saying Kane raped her? Why was Kane labeled the accused from the start? "followed her into a room, overpowered her, and raped her"...?....if he was actually part of something else? Sounds like a load of BS. She should have went with the truth from the start if the truth is something else.
- SimpleJack

Did she say that or were those dots connected by others? I'm not doubting you if you say she did, I just don't recall.

not being a Richard but there is only division I and division III
- Fountain-San

Not being a Richard but note the timeline I gave...

https://en.wikipedia.org/...s_Ice_Hockey_Championship

yeah, I don't want to go there again......

The media has it in for Patrick kane and is hell bent on ruining him because...........

We can all speculate but nobody knows for sure what happened. My guess is something in a grey area, and to be fair........the only thing the Hawks will know is what Kane tells them or what their people can dig up, and I'm not sure a Hawk PI can out maneuver one of these large media ones, with local tie ins.

I don't have to like as a person, to admire him as a hockey player. Some of kane backers, per se, who have been lighting up twitter or radio shows good for their loyalty, but yikes......setting back education and man decades.

For the last time, if it's found that this woman was a sociopath and made this whole thing to grab cash, I will gladly eat crow. However, if this is settled out of court, or Kane is convicted, then I hope those who are hell bent on the innocent until proven guilty train come forward as well.

No matter what, an out of court settlement in something like this reveals that at some point Kane did something that wasn't acceptable or right to this woman and wouldn't win in a court room. That's why people settle......because a star athlete with a brand and HUGE money at stake can't take that loss in a court room.
- SteveRain

You lost me right here -- settlement is in no way any indication of guilt on Kane's part - just as it is in no way any indication what his accuser is lying or making a cash grab. All that a settlement indicates is that both parties agree that it won't go to court. There are plenty of reasons to settle something even when you have done nothing wrong as a defendant (been involved in plenty as a corporate attorney) or plaintiff such as:
- having a very public profile and wanting to stay out of the press
- wanting to get on with your life (his hockey career / her needing to move on)
- neither wanting their reputations further damaged or pasts dredged up
- etc but you get the picture - reasons that have nothing to do with which party is "right" (they both could be)

So . . . don't keep us all in suspense . . . what's on the list???

MNHawk, totally agree on the Hossa backchecking -- just about any and every player can learn the right way to play from #81. Marian just seems to be a great leader and one of the best examples of how to conduct yourself on-ice (and off). How you can be on the same bench with the guy and NOT want to put forth the same effort?
- savvyone-1

Exactly why Hossa was one of only two Hawks that I would approve for my wife's winter classic sweater a number of years ago. She chose the other of her own accord but he would have also been approved. Most of the rest would have been vetoed.

Kane will not get traded.

I almost feel like JJ is underrating Kane. Yes he is not a complete player, but you don't wan't 12 two way forwards on your team. I would say Kane is the best offensive forward in the league when it's time for the playoffs. Yes better than Crosby. I think he has 101 points in 101 playoffs games. And look att al the performances he has put up in very very important games in the playoffs. Just at his thats in the winning games this last playoffs.

Game 6 Nashville 1G 1A
Game 4 Minnesota 1G 1A
Game 7 Anaheim 0G 3A
Game 6 Tampa 1G 1A

And obviously he has done a lot more in the playoffs over the years(to much to write).

To say that a solide defensive prospect and a the No.3 pick in the next draft is a fair deal is for me crazy.

You never know exactly what you get in a prospect and a draft pick, but you do know
what you get fore Kane and that is W
- PetterKane

Also forgot to write that he probably would be the MVP if he didn't get hurt.

Not being a Richard but note the timeline I gave...

https://en.wikipedia.org/...s_Ice_Hockey_Championship
- stljam

not being a Richard but...ok, i got nothing.

Question:

How does a mother that TRULY believes her daughter was raped go to the lengths that she did, threatening to ruin her daughters case, ruin her credibility, force her lawyer to step down??? was she really just that stupid? That careless? With it being 6 weeks into the investigation to risk her daughters case? By creating a fake piece of evidence and trying to lie to her lawyer? That is very, VERY hard for me to believe. Not from a mother that you're trying to tell me truly believes that the truth is on her daughters side and is fighting it legally.
- SimpleJack

Who knows? I know you are convinced of Kane's absolute innocence—and therefore this girl MUST be a lying golddigger. because there's almost no way you can disconnect the two.

i'm not buying it yet. I am not sure (at all) he assaulted her. I think something happened to her that night. The EVIDENCE suggests something did. Just not that he did it directly.

here are two more good ones.....

A co-worker of mine in the late 90s early 2000s played morning hockey with a bunch of ex-college players and Blues alumni. He played D2 college hockey all four years and was a pretty good player. Kelly Chase was a regular at those skates and would usually put up 6 goals per skate.

A friend of mine got to practice with a current blues player as a relative of his won a charity auction. At the end of the practice, the current player, my friend and enforcer DJ King played a game of post DJ King won the game and put 20 in a row off the post.

Two guys with "hands of stone" likely have better hands than every player most of us have played with or against.
- stljam

Twenty years ago, I used to play a lot of hockey with members of Scott Darling's old organization, the Memphis River Kings. We would play in regional tournaments, and sometimes our competition was really, f'ing good. There was a guy at Center once who had played a small sample in the NHL, can't remember his name, and I went to swat his stick on the face off to control him and sweep the puck. It was like Bugs Bunny hitting a fire hydrant with a crow bar... I was young and strong, too, but I remember I thought I had broken my back because his stick didn't give an inch. The difference between "good" and NHL is enormous and humbling.

Did she say that or were those dots connected by others? I'm not doubting you if you say she did, I just don't recall.
- John Jaeckel

Those were in the initial reports that were floating around. Could be just made up and twisted statements by the media unless she actually said those things in her initial complaint and they leaked. I could see both ways honestly.

Jj ET all. I have a waiver question for you guys, might be a dumb one. Not sure. I know the leafs took Corrado off VANs hands. (Wish we could have! He's looked great and it would have been sweet to get them back for Stanton.) Anyway, my questions are as follows. I know (for a fact) a few teams put claims in for Corrado, TOR finished worse in league standings last year than the other teams so they got him first. Does TOR now move to the back of the list of teams with waiver claims? Or does the order stay the same? Secondly, if the Hawks were to have put in a claim for tokarski (wish they had) or Corrado, they have to keep them in the NHL, correct? You can not claim a player and then send them down to minors without again putting them on waivers, correct? As in TOR has to keep Corrado In the NHL this season.
- Trammelt

This part is definitely true. If you claim a player, he must be assigned to the NHL roster. You can later try to send him down but he has to go through waivers again. Not sure if the team that lost him gets first choice at picking him back up or not.

i think once a player knows his team wants to move on from him, he waives. in most cases anyway.
- Fountain-San

Wilson definitely wanted to move Marleau/Thornton last year and couldn't. If Doug Weight in 2007 is the example people are using I think it is a weak argument.

Thanks for bringing up this topic again, JJ. It seems to be a really important story line that is going to be operating a bit below the surface for as long as Kane remains on the Blackhawks.

It is fascinating to me that people simultaneously think, 1) Kane is or is close to being the best player in the league, and 2) the Blackhawks would never get fair value for him. Plenty of teams would want Kane, assuming he gets beyond this legal situation in good standing.

The Blackhawks look to have a good formula for the coming season; highly paid core, low paid prospects with upside potential and veterans hungry for a Cup. That formula could continue next season too since so much of the roster remains under contract for another year. But, the season after that looks like it'll need to be a slightly different formula, probably need to pay some bridge contracts to keep the youngsters. That means other salaries need to be moved by then or the cap needs to grow much faster than it has been recently.

So . . . don't keep us all in suspense . . . what's on the list???

MNHawk, totally agree on the Hossa backchecking -- just about any and every player can learn the right way to play from #81. Marian just seems to be a great leader and one of the best examples of how to conduct yourself on-ice (and off). How you can be on the same bench with the guy and NOT want to put forth the same effort?
- savvyone-1

A full pork loin, 4 New York strip steaks, a package of chicken breasts, a couple bags of frozen veggies, a rotisserie chicken (pulled off the meat and saved the bones to make chicken stock...yes, I love to cook), couple bags of quinoa and rice, sweet potatoes. There's more....but yeah, I'm prepped and ready to vegetate in front of the TV for the foreseeable future.

Twenty years ago, I used to play a lot of hockey with members of Scott Darling's old organization, the Memphis River Kings. We would play in regional tournaments, and sometimes our competition was really, f'ing good. There was a guy at Center once who had played a small sample in the NHL, can't remember his name, and I went to swat his stick on the face off to control him and sweep the puck. It was like Bugs Bunny hitting a fire hydrant with a crow bar... I was young and strong, too, but I remember I thought I had broken my back because his stick didn't give an inch. The difference between "good" and NHL is enormous and humbling.
- DirkGraham

very, very true and even more humbling as a goalie.

Kane will not get traded.

I almost feel like JJ is underrating Kane. Yes he is not a complete player, but you don't wan't 12 two way forwards on your team. I would say Kane is the best offensive forward in the league when it's time for the playoffs. Yes better than Crosby. I think he has 101 points in 101 playoffs games. And look att al the performances he has put up in very very important games in the playoffs. Just at his thats in the winning games this last playoffs.

Game 6 Nashville 1G 1A
Game 4 Minnesota 1G 1A
Game 7 Anaheim 0G 3A
Game 6 Tampa 1G 1A

And obviously he has done a lot more in the playoffs over the years(to much to write).

To say that a solide defensive prospect and a the No.3 pick in the next draft is a fair deal is for me crazy.

You never know exactly what you get in a prospect and a draft pick, but you do know
what you get fore Kane and that is W
- PetterKane

You're right. It is probably crazy. It is also not what I said. I said you could get either or both of those things—if you wanted a stud defenseman to develop. i did not say you couldn't get more in addition. I would suspect they would get more in return actually.

Guys--things are getting heated again on this blog because of differing views on a player.

Take a step back and remember that hockey season is back tomorrow. It's supposed to be a fun time.

Now, relax and take comfort knowing that this legendary mudflap is coming back...

Who knows? I know you are convinced of Kane's absolute innocence—and therefore this girl MUST be a lying golddigger. because there's almost no way you can disconnect the two.

i'm not buying it yet. I am not sure (at all) he assaulted her. I think something happened to her that night. The EVIDENCE suggests something did. Just not that he did it directly.
- John Jaeckel

Again, that presents such a huge question then:

Why has this entire investigation been about him committing rape? Why was the initial complaint widely reported to be about him and nobody else being investigated? Why is he the accused? She clearly went to the authorities that night with the wrong story(either lying or somehow wrong about crucial details) or the media took it and twisted it and somehow the legal process has followed that creation.

Question:

How does a mother that TRULY believes her daughter was raped go to the lengths that she did, threatening to ruin her daughters case, ruin her credibility, force her lawyer to step down??? was she really just that stupid? That careless? With it being 6 weeks into the investigation to risk her daughters case? By creating a fake piece of evidence and trying to lie to her lawyer? That is very, VERY hard for me to believe. Not from a mother that you're trying to tell me truly believes that the truth is on her daughters side and is fighting it legally.
- SimpleJack

I have wrestled with this as well. kane was cleared of DNA I believe a day or two before the bag thing broke.

I don't know......again I look at the accuser's attorney who didn't even know what a bag looked like and it wasn't even the right one even though he claimed he authenticated it before speaking to the media.

Who's to say the lawyer didn't do it? Or maybe the mother panicked.

Remember, just because their wasn't any DNA in her from kane, doesn't mean that nothing happened. I don't want to get banned but think about that......

The Stupidest thing the world would be to trade him as was previously mentioned, you'll never get the full value for him. You have a great player. He's not been charged with anything. It will take time, but when he's scoring game winning goals, I think all will be forgotten.

The problem is, the same guy keeps being a victim of circumstance, and they'll have other guys who they've either already spent money on, or have to.

I bet he'd be dealt at some point in next two years, probably next off-season, especially if the Hawks have a down year.

Question:

How does a mother that TRULY believes her daughter was raped go to the lengths that she did, threatening to ruin her daughters case, ruin her credibility, force her lawyer to step down??? was she really just that stupid? That careless? With it being 6 weeks into the investigation to risk her daughters case? By creating a fake piece of evidence and trying to lie to her lawyer? That is very, VERY hard for me to believe. Not from a mother that you're trying to tell me truly believes that the truth is on her daughters side and is fighting it legally.
- SimpleJack

Let me ask you a question. If someone else raped her and Kane restrained her—which the DNA evidence would not necessarily contradict—would that not be "assault" on his part?

Did that happen? I don't know. Neither do you. It is just as plausible as saying he did nothing and he is an innocent victim of a lie.

This part is definitely true. If you claim a player, he must be assigned to the NHL roster. You can later try to send him down but he has to go through waivers again. Not sure if the team that lost him gets first choice at picking him back up or not.
- stljam

"If a team that claims a player on waivers wishes to trade them before the end of that season’s playoffs, they have to first offer that player to any other teams that claimed them under the same conditions"


I've heard people don't like this site, but it's more of a rules post than opinion/scouting piece:

http://thehockeywriters.c...m/nhl-waiver-wire-primer/