Again, that presents such a huge question then:

Why has this entire investigation been about him committing rape? Why was the initial complaint widely reported to be about him and nobody else being investigated? Why is he the accused? She clearly went to the authorities that night with the wrong story(either lying or somehow wrong about crucial details) or the media took it and twisted it and somehow the legal process has followed that creation.
- SimpleJack

because he was accused of it?

Again, that presents such a huge question then:

Why has this entire investigation been about him committing rape? Why was the initial complaint widely reported to be about him and nobody else being investigated? Why is he the accused? She clearly went to the authorities that night with the wrong story(either lying or somehow wrong about crucial details) or the media took it and twisted it and somehow the legal process has followed that creation.
- SimpleJack

I don't recall honestly what she ACTUALLY said versus what others inferred.

Sedita always said: we are investigating an incident that occurred at the residence of Patrick Kane.

I have never seen a direct quote from the girl. Have you?

I have wrestled with this as well. kane was cleared of DNA I believe a day or two before the bag thing broke.

I don't know......again I look at the accuser's attorney who didn't even know what a bag looked like and it wasn't even the right one even though he claimed he authenticated it before speaking to the media.

Who's to say the lawyer didn't do it? Or maybe the mother panicked.

Remember, just because their wasn't any DNA in her from kane, doesn't mean that nothing happened. I don't want to get banned but think about that......
- SteveRain

Something potentially could have happened sure, but until there is new evidence then nothing as of now points towards Kane. To me the bigger point(f you're going the route of it not being Kane raping her but something else that he was a part of) is asking why her initial complaint was that Kane raped her? Seems to me when watching and reading what the DA has said that Kane is the accused, nobody else. The entire investigation thus far has been about him and a claim of sexual assault. So, whats really gong on here?

I have wrestled with this as well. kane was cleared of DNA I believe a day or two before the bag thing broke.

I don't know......again I look at the accuser's attorney who didn't even know what a bag looked like and it wasn't even the right one even though he claimed he authenticated it before speaking to the media.

Who's to say the lawyer didn't do it? Or maybe the mother panicked.

Remember, just because their wasn't any DNA in her from kane, doesn't mean that nothing happened. I don't want to get banned but think about that......
- SteveRain

The bag was a real evidence bag and authentic though, wasn't it? Thought it contained evidence (her shirt/sweater/coat) but had been cleared somehow?

You lost me right here -- settlement is in no way any indication of guilt on Kane's part - just as it is in no way any indication what his accuser is lying or making a cash grab. All that a settlement indicates is that both parties agree that it won't go to court. There are plenty of reasons to settle something even when you have done nothing wrong as a defendant (been involved in plenty as a corporate attorney) or plaintiff such as:
- having a very public profile and wanting to stay out of the press
- wanting to get on with your life (his hockey career / her needing to move on)
- neither wanting their reputations further damaged or pasts dredged up
- etc but you get the picture - reasons that have nothing to do with which party is "right" (they both could be)
- Marlowe

I get that but considering Kane and the accuser both have stated their quest for justice I just find it very hard to believe that settlement helps prove Kane's innocence in this case.

Just stating from a non lawyer position. I just can't comprehend that fact, considering what the past history has shown us when athletes are targeted and settled. See Doughty, See Kobe.

usually when people want something to go away, they are hiding something......

The bag was a real evidence bag and authentic though, wasn't it? Thought it contained evidence (her shirt/sweater/coat) but had been cleared somehow?
- stashu

I thought the DA said it was a box they used in that county and not a bag.

Could be wrong, probably am, but that's what I recall.

because he was accused of it?
- Fountain-San

He's got Cambria on speed dial now

The Stupidest thing the world would be to trade him as was previously mentioned, you'll never get the full value for him. You have a great player. He's not been charged with anything. It will take time, but when he's scoring game winning goals, I think all will be forgotten.
- mattsox

Been saying this all along.

You're right. It is probably crazy. It is also not what I said. I said you could get either or both of those things—if you wanted a stud defenseman to develop. i did not say you couldn't get more in addition. I would suspect they would get more in return actually.
- John Jaeckel

So what do you think is a good return for Kane?(Sorry if I'm missing something obvious English is not my first language.)

Personally I would not trade Kane at all because I don't know any player that comes up bigger in the playoffs.

He's got Cambria on speed dial now


- FourFeathers773

Well played...under the circumstances.

I thought the DA said it was a box they used in that county and not a bag.

Could be wrong, probably am, but that's what I recall.
- SteveRain

Oh, I'm in no way disputing he was wrong that it held the rape kit - though without seeing how big the bag was, it's not like a bag can't be used to hold a box.

And by authenticated, I would think the bag was authenticated by someone that night as it did contain something that was put in there as potential evidence, so my assumption is there was likely some signatures/initials on it.

I don't recall honestly what she ACTUALLY said versus what others inferred.

Sedita always said: we are investigating an incident that occurred at the residence of Patrick Kane.

I have never seen a direct quote from the girl. Have you?
- John Jaeckel

This was a rape claim, and Kane is the accused with her being the victim. If there were multiple people being accused(or at least one other), then wouldn't we have found out? Wouldn't we know about the others? Or would that all be undercover this entire time with Kane being the only one named in any stories? If that part of the story is going to change, then why now?

Something potentially could have happened sure, but until there is new evidence then nothing as of now points towards Kane. To me the bigger point(f you're going the route of it not being Kane raping her but something else that he was a part of) is asking why her initial complaint was that Kane raped her? Seems to me when watching and reading what the DA has said that Kane is the accused, nobody else. The entire investigation thus far has been about him and a claim of sexual assault. So, whats really gong on here?
- SimpleJack

Again, Kane could have raped her and not left DNA.

To your point or somebody else's on multiple people, thought I read somewhere that the kit also went after under garments and those could have been soiled previously.

I'm a Hawk fan concerned about the product on the ice. I don't have to like Kane, or defend him, to be a fan. I just hope whoever is lying gets punished and whoever is in the clear gets their justice. That's why it's hard for me to look at a settlement as anything other then a quiet way to make something go away. Both of these have been through so much already, I don't see the any reason they wouldn't continue to fight IF they know they are in the right. He's been raked over the coals, shes' been outed...........what possibly worse could happen to either one?

He's got Cambria on speed dial now


- FourFeathers773

busy reading his magazines.

So what do you think is a good return for Kane?(Sorry if I'm missing something obvious English is not my first language.)

Personally I would not trade Kane at all because I don't know any player that comes up bigger in the playoffs.
- PetterKane

Great question (and welcome by the way).

The formula is usually established player/prospect/pick.

First, I wouldn't take anyone's garbage/unwanted contract.

I'd want a top 5-10 first round pick and two good young players. One of those sort of "Saad good." You'd also almost have to take 1 large or 2 reasonable sized contracts back.

Well, I was excited for hockey talk not pertaining to this. It was nice. I guess I came back to early and everyone is still doing their best TMZ impression. I don't care. HOCKEY IS WHAT I CARE ABOUT AND THIS BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT. If it is a decision that isn't doing to be made today, tomorrow, next week, or for months to come, why don't we leave it until then. From the sounds of everything, and I was unbiased until the falsifying evidence and all that crazy crap that happened a few weeks back, this seems to be a money grab at this point. The odds of you getting a return for Kane that involves a player that is so key when the stages are big are next to nothing. He is showtime for a reason. Stamkos can't do it so far, ovechkin has yet to show it, Crosby meh. There is being a superstar and then there is being a superstar that takes over and performs on the big stage. Tell me you can get equal value.

This was a rape claim, and Kane is the accused with her being the victim. If there were multiple people being accused(or at least one other), then wouldn't we have found out? Wouldn't we know about the others? Or would that all be undercover this entire time with Kane being the only one named in any stories? If that part of the story is going to change, then why now?
- SimpleJack

I don't know. What I do know:

Sedita always said: "we are investigating an incident that occurred at the residence of Patrick Kane."

I have never seen a direct quote from the girl. Have you?

I'm not saying he didn't, but did Eoannou ever say Kane raped her—explicitly? Those exact words? "Assault" is a much broader term.

Well, I was excited for hockey talk not pertaining to this. It was nice. I guess I came back to early and everyone is still doing their best TMZ impression. I don't care. HOCKEY IS WHAT I CARE ABOUT AND THIS BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT. If it is a decision that isn't doing to be made today, tomorrow, next week, or for months to come, why don't we leave it until then. From the sounds of everything, and I was unbiased until the falsifying evidence and all that crazy crap that happened a few weeks back, this seems to be a money grab at this point. The odds of you getting a return for Kane that involves a player that is so key when the stages are big are next to nothing. He is showtime for a reason. Stamkos can't do it so far, ovechkin has yet to show it, Crosby meh. There is being a superstar and then there is being a superstar that takes over and performs on the big stage. Tell me you can get equal value.
- LuckyStrikeW

Dude, really? You really hurt your credibility right there. Oh and by the way, I would trade Kane AND a fair amount more for Sidney Crosby tomorrow. So would 30 NHL GMs.

Relax, "Kaner" is a Hawk likely this year and maybe longer.

The bag was a real evidence bag and authentic though, wasn't it? Thought it contained evidence (her shirt/sweater/coat) but had been cleared somehow?
- stashu

The bag was not an evidence bag. It was a bag given to her by the hospital to put her shirt that she was wearing at the time of the event, so the hospital could test it for DNA also. It was opened so the shirt could be tested, and the mom kept it.

Dude, really? You really hurt your credibility right there. Oh and by the way, I would trade Kane AND a fair amount more for Sidney Crosby tomorrow. So would 30 NHL GMs.

Relax, "Kaner" is a Hawk likely this year and maybe longer.
- John Jaeckel

showtime

Twenty years ago, I used to play a lot of hockey with members of Scott Darling's old organization, the Memphis River Kings. We would play in regional tournaments, and sometimes our competition was really, f'ing good. There was a guy at Center once who had played a small sample in the NHL, can't remember his name, and I went to swat his stick on the face off to control him and sweep the puck. It was like Bugs Bunny hitting a fire hydrant with a crow bar... I was young and strong, too, but I remember I thought I had broken my back because his stick didn't give an inch. The difference between "good" and NHL is enormous and humbling.
- DirkGraham

When my daughter was at school at the U of Memphis I used to go down and watch her golf tournaments and we would always take in the Friday night River Kings game at that rink in Southhaven, Miss.

Most of the players in the league at that time were 'never gonna be's' from Alberta, Quebec or Ontario with a few Americans sprinkled in. Either too small or not good enough and were never prospects to get beyond that level. Occasionally one of them got a call up to an AHL team for a couple of games. Its amazing Darling graduated out of that league.

But those boys played hard every game. And I think they made about $300/week with room and board included.

I thought the DA said it was a box they used in that county and not a bag.

Could be wrong, probably am, but that's what I recall.
- SteveRain

The kits are boxed up he said, IIRC. The bag he said for sure is not what's used.

It's been a quiet 2-3 weeks now, eh?

When my daughter was at school at the U of Memphis I used to go down and watch her golf tournaments and we would always take in the Friday night River Kings game at that rink in Southhaven, Miss.

Most of the players in the league at that time were 'never gonna be's' from Alberta, Quebec or Ontario with a few Americans sprinkled in. Either too small or not good enough and were never prospects to get beyond that level. Occasionally one of them got a call up to an AHL team for a couple of games. Its amazing Darling graduated out of that league.

But those boys played hard every game. And I think they made about $300/week with room and board included.
- RickJ

yeah, the guys I knew were better than I was, but they were not NHL material.

showtime
- Fountain-San

In Kane's case...

The bag was not an evidence bag. It was a bag given to her by the hospital to put her shirt that she was wearing at the time of the event, so the hospital could test it for DNA also. It was opened so the shirt could be tested, and the mom kept it.
- JRoenick97

If it was submitted for testing, how is that not evidence and in an appropriate bag to be tracked? (not a question for you to answer...just a baffling situation if it was not treated as any other piece of possible evidence)