I don't know. What I do know:

Sedita always said: "we are investigating an incident that occurred at the residence of Patrick Kane."

I have never seen a direct quote from the girl. Have you?

I'm not saying he didn't, but did Eoannou ever say Kane raped her—explicitly? Those exact words? "Assault" is a much broader term.
- John Jaeckel

"The woman who accused Blackhawks star Patrick Kane of rape last week says the hockey star followed her to a room where she had gone by herself, overpowered her and raped her. After the alleged attack, she had bite marks on her shoulders and a scratch on her leg, investigators say.

Source familiar with the investigation offered more details about the alleged attack to The Buffalo News. Kane's accuser told investigators that the hockey star had invited her and female friend to his home for a private party after they met him at SkyBar. She says she was attacked when Kane followed her to a room where she had gone by herself.

Immediately after the alleged attack, the woman left Kane's home with her friend and called a relative from her own cell phone. She then went to a local hospital for an examination. Police were called. The alleged attack happened around 4 a.m., just an hour after Kane was last seen leaving SkyBar in Buffalo. A source who knows the woman described her as frantic and traumatized when she called her relative."

This is a quote from a Chicagoist.com from early August. Several other reports around that time said the same things.

So again, either all these media outlets were twisting stories and misreporting them or she twisted the story in her initial claim and didn't explain what actually happened(if you are to come from the direction of "What if Kane isn't the rapist at all? What if he was involved in something else??").

Some on here feel the media is to blame. Kane did nothing to bring any of this on himself. It's all the rat bastard media.

My question is, why is the media against Kane (and not, say, Hjalmarsson or TT or Shaw) if he's such a wonderful human being, in addition to being a great hockey player? Why are they picking on him? At the same time, why do these things keep happening to him if he's such a great guy?

Or . . . or . . .
- John Jaeckel

JJ I have a lot of respect for you but I wish you would not have done this blog on the eve of the start of the regular season
Couldn't it of waited till a month into the season so we can talk hockey and the optimism for the upcoming season?
Just my $.02

Dude, really? You really hurt your credibility right there. Oh and by the way, I would trade Kane AND a fair amount more for Sidney Crosby tomorrow. So would 30 NHL GMs.

Relax, "Kaner" is a Hawk likely this year and maybe longer.
- John Jaeckel

No thanks. Hurt too often, a diver and whiny overall little female dog.

He's a marginal hit from LTIR. And his BS with Selanne during the '14 Olympics and with Toews shortly thereafter affirmed my belief on the last two.

No thanks. Hurt too often, a diver and whiny overall little female dog.

He's a marginal hit from LTIR. And his BS with Selanne during the '14 Olympics and with Toews shortly thereafter affirmed my belief on the last two.
- blackhawk24

If it was submitted for testing, how is that not evidence and in an appropriate bag to be tracked? (not a question for you to answer...just a baffling situation if it was not treated as any other piece of possible evidence)
- stashu

The accuser stopped at her mothers house and changed her shirt before going to the hospital. The bag was given to the mother at the hospital so that she could put the shirt that the accuser wore at Kane's house into the bag as evidence. The cops came to the mothers house. And collected the shirt, putting it into a different evidence bag. The bag from the hospital was left at the mothers house and she later used it in furtherance of what the DA has called a hoax. [per Sedits's press conf]

Dude, really? You really hurt your credibility right there.
- John Jaeckel

Why? Because I am starting to not believe the girl? I still think there is a chance he did it and once again, I hate him if he did. I just am sick of hearing the whole thing. Evidence, that we know of, is starting to really point in his favor in my opinion. You've been so one sided the whole time JJ. You may say you aren't, but your writing tells a different story. I have been reading your articles, every single one of them, all all these message boards since I found out hockey buzz existed in 2008 or 2009. Around that time. You are my favorite Hawks writer by far, but I just can't stand how your blog has turned into this. I really thought we were passed it, at least until more news came out. I was excited to read again and now out of nowhere we are back to TMZ. I'm the one losing credibility though? I don't write about the Hawks, though I envy that you do, but I sure as hell wouldn't bring up the Kane story when there is no real news. Same story we have been forced to hear all summer. Sorry if you disagree with me, but I don't feel I lost credibility on a forum based mostly on opinion. Sorry you don't agree with mine.

The accuser stopped at her mothers house and changed her shirt before going to the hospital. The bag was given to the mother at the hospital so that she could put the shirt that the accuser wore at Kane's house into the bag as evidence. The cops came to the mothers house. And collected the shirt, putting it into a different evidence bag. The bag from the hospital was left at the mothers house and she later used it in furtherance of what the DA has called a hoax.
- Marlowe[per Sedits's press conf]

This is accurate. Basically it was a hospital bag, and the cops put it in to their own, official bag.

Why? Because I am starting to not believe the girl? I still think there is a chance he did it and once again, I hate him if he did. I just am sick of hearing the whole thing. Evidence, that we know of, is starting to really point in his favor in my opinion. You've been so one sided the whole time JJ. You may say you aren't, but your writing tells a different story. I have been reading your articles, every single one of them, all all these message boards since I found out hockey buzz existed in 2008 or 2009. Around that time. You are my favorite Hawks writer by far, but I just can't stand how your blog has turned into this. I really thought we were passed it, at least until more news came out. I was excited to read again and now out of nowhere we are back to TMZ. I'm the one losing credibility though? I don't write about the Hawks, though I envy that you do, but I sure as hell wouldn't bring up the Kane story when there is no real news. Same story we have been forced to hear all summer. Sorry if you disagree with me, but I don't feel I lost credibility on a forum based mostly on opinion. Sorry you don't agree with mine.
- LuckyStrikeW

he meant your dismissal of Crosby.

Dude, really? You really hurt your credibility right there. Oh and by the way, I would trade Kane AND a fair amount more for Sidney Crosby tomorrow. So would 30 NHL GMs.

Relax, "Kaner" is a Hawk likely this year and maybe longer.
- John Jaeckel

Didn't realize you changed your response. I never said I wouldn't trade Kane for Crosby. I was simply stating Kane has showed up bigger on the main stage. Playoffs and Stanley Cup finals. Crosby has been invisible at points in the playoffs.

The accuser stopped at her mothers house and changed her shirt before going to the hospital. The bag was given to the mother at the hospital so that she could put the shirt that the accuser wore at Kane's house into the bag as evidence. The cops came to the mothers house. And collected the shirt, putting it into a different evidence bag. The bag from the hospital was left at the mothers house and she later used it in furtherance of what the DA has called a hoax.
- Marlowe[per Sedits's press conf]

Gotcha, thanks. I didn't follow it that closely at that point, I figured the shirt was given at the time of the kit being done at the hospital.

So they still have the shirt I presume? When I initially read about it all, it sounded like she gave them a shirt and they somehow processed it that quickly that it went home with the mother basically immediately (hence my confusion).

A full pork loin, 4 New York strip steaks, a package of chicken breasts, a couple bags of frozen veggies, a rotisserie chicken (pulled off the meat and saved the bones to make chicken stock...yes, I love to cook), couple bags of quinoa and rice, sweet potatoes. There's more....but yeah, I'm prepped and ready to vegetate in front of the TV for the foreseeable future.
- MNHawk

Nice!
You are making me hungry!!!

If it was submitted for testing, how is that not evidence and in an appropriate bag to be tracked? (not a question for you to answer...just a baffling situation if it was not treated as any other piece of possible evidence)
- stashu

double post
(oops shoulda know our legal go to had this)

Now, here's MY question for anyone seems like this girls reputation around Buffalo is well known to a LOT of people in the area, so how is it that Patrick Kane, a Buffalo Native had NO CLUE OR would his decision making have been much better, had he not been saturated at the synapse Just seems like we want to claim him a victim when he put himself in this position and most any other Buffalo Native could have seen this coming..........

And Simple Jack, Patrick Kane can be and IS responsible by law for ANY illegal anything that happens on or in or around the property he owns and can be charged for as much because its his responsibility to not let illegal things happen there That Simple

Gotcha, thanks. I didn't follow it that closely at that point, I figured the shirt was given at the time of the kit being done at the hospital.

So they still have the shirt I presume? When I initially read about it all, it sounded like she gave them a shirt and they somehow processed it that quickly that it went home with the mother basically immediately (hence my confusion).
- stashu

I'm not sure if they kept the shirt or just tested it, but they have all evidence from the DNA gathering and the rape kit accounted for, and video evidence of it being secured.

I haven't read through all the comments, so I may be repeating someone, but I see a couple different issues with trading Kane. 1. 10.5 is a HUGE cap hit, 2. Given what the Hawks really would want back, which is a high draft pick or a can't miss defensive stud along with some other parts, I don't know that a team would be willing to give up that much. You figure a team would want to either build around Kane or add him as a final piece in the push for a Cup. If you are building up, you don't want to give up your top prospects. If you are looking for that final piece, you are probably close on the salary cap, and you would have to give back one of your top players.

It would seem more likely the Hawks would deal Crawford, set Darling as their #1, and try to find a young goaltender to groom.

Didn't realize you changed your response. I never said I wouldn't trade Kane for Crosby. I was simply stating Kane has showed up bigger on the main stage. Playoffs and Stanley Cup finals. Crosby has been invisible at points in the playoffs.
- LuckyStrikeW

last year he had 4 points in 5 games. the year before 9 in 13. other than that he's always had more points than games played.

the Hawks have just managed to have a better team than the Pens, recently.

you guys have had Seabrook and they've had Letang.

he meant your dismissal of Crosby.
- Fountain-San

Well his original response, as seen in my response to him, had no mention of Crosby. Just that I hurt my credibility. Strong words when I meant nothing about trading Kane for Crosby. I simply meant not many, including Crosby show up as big on the main stage. Who wouldn't take Crosby for Kane? Just simply reiterating the fact Kane shows up huge and even if you get that top three pick, what's the odds he will be ever close to as good as Kane, and on top of that, the odds decrease majorly that he will be as clutch as Kane.

I'm not sure if they kept the shirt or just tested it, but they have all evidence from the DNA gathering and the rape kit accounted for, and video evidence of it being secured.
- JRoenick97

Sure sounds like it, re-instills some confidence in the handling of the investigation from my "hometown".

Thanks to Marlowe and moms2sense1puck for the longer wrapup of how that bag and shirt came to be - I wasn't able to catch anything other than one-line updates that night that were all basically "the mom lied", "the mother planted it", etc.

I'm not sure if they kept the shirt or just tested it, but they have all evidence from the DNA gathering and the rape kit accounted for, and video evidence of it being secured.
- JRoenick97

If they tested the shirt they would also keep it, at least for now. If it were to be used as evidence at a trial, the defense would be able to get it independently tested. It is likely inside an evidence bag that is either contained inside the rape kit box, or is kept elsewhere in the evidence locker.

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Well his original response, as seen in my response to him, had no mention of Crosby. Just that I hurt my credibility. Strong words when I meant nothing about trading Kane for Crosby. I simply meant not many, including Crosby show up as big on the main stage. Who wouldn't take Crosby for Kane? Just simply reiterating the fact Kane shows up huge and even if you get that top three pick, what's the odds he will be ever close to as good as Kane, and on top of that, the odds decrease majorly that he will be as clutch as Kane.
- LuckyStrikeW

he bolded it. within the text. and Crosby is a big game player. believe me Kane is electric and likely the best American player, EVER. but you can't put "meh" next to Crosby. he may be a whiny little tool sometimes but he can straight up play.

he bolded it. within the text. and Crosby is a big game player. believe me Kane is electric and likely the best American player, EVER. but you can't put "meh" next to Crosby. he may be a whiny little tool sometimes but he can straight up play.
- Fountain-San

Like I said, meh was put there because he sort of fit in my argument and sort of did not. I understand Crosby is a hell of a player, but along with my argument, he hasn't had the major take overs in huge games like Kane has. My opinion. Crosby is the better player overall.

he bolded it. within the text. and Crosby is a big game player. believe me Kane is electric and likely the best American player, EVER. but you can't put "meh" next to Crosby. he may be a whiny little tool sometimes but he can straight up play.
- Fountain-San

There is another, now retired Canadien superstar player of whom I have heard similar comments.

HOCKEY QUESTION:
Thanks stljam for you answer on second part! Still curious as to the first

I know the leafs took Corrado off VANs hands. (Wish we could have! He's looked great and it would have been sweet to get them back for Stanton.) Anyway, my questions are as follows. I know (for a fact) a few teams put claims in for Corrado, TOR finished worse in league standings last year than the other teams so they got him first. Does TOR now move to the back of the list of teams with waiver claims? Or does the order stay the same?

Also- anyone else surprised Tokarski cleared?

Why? Because I am starting to not believe the girl? I still think there is a chance he did it and once again, I hate him if he did. I just am sick of hearing the whole thing. Evidence, that we know of, is starting to really point in his favor in my opinion. You've been so one sided the whole time JJ. You may say you aren't, but your writing tells a different story. I have been reading your articles, every single one of them, all all these message boards since I found out hockey buzz existed in 2008 or 2009. Around that time. You are my favorite Hawks writer by far, but I just can't stand how your blog has turned into this. I really thought we were passed it, at least until more news came out. I was excited to read again and now out of nowhere we are back to TMZ. I'm the one losing credibility though? I don't write about the Hawks, though I envy that you do, but I sure as hell wouldn't bring up the Kane story when there is no real news. Same story we have been forced to hear all summer. Sorry if you disagree with me, but I don't feel I lost credibility on a forum based mostly on opinion. Sorry you don't agree with mine.
- LuckyStrikeW

Dude, my comment was about what you said about Crosby.

Again, relax, man.

Great blog JJ because you covered in all phases, save one.

I agree Dana and TT may be more suited as RWs.

I just have trouble swallowing this huge return for 10.5 million dollar Cap hit.

I don't think you EVER get a player of Kane's stature - they don't make many this offensively gifted, and granted at this point you are paying for it.(as StanBo, a nice problem to have.)

The chance of a another draft yielding the high quality of players this last one did (starting with a possible two generational talents) is a best a stretch.
Especially if the plan is to refortify the backline with a no-miss top pair guy.

From 2010 on
Eric Gudbranson
Adam Larsson
Ryan Murray
Griffin Reinhardt
Morgan Reilly
Hampus Lindholm
Doug Hamilton
Seth Jones
Aaron Ekblad

plenty of upside, but besides Jones and possibly Ekblad, you see and defensive stalwarts even comparable to Seabrook?
I guess i don't.

I totally agree that it is much more difficult to cultivate a high end backliner when you select in the top third of the first round.


I just feel be careful with thinking you HAVE to get close to eqaul value, because I just think it is almost impossible.
Sure a couple good players, and maybe a decent pick, but a return even comparable to Kane, I think not.

I understand that they may clear reasons to make the deal, and don't think there will be a snap decision, just one based on the past and the upcoming present and the long term future in terms of prospects won't be as importand as the over all health of the team image if someone doesn't really grow up.