I'd still like Lucic on our team. We need a guy that can play in our top 6 and can drop the mitts from time to time.

I love Dorsett's heart.... but his fight vs Ferland was basically him nominating himself to be a punching bag for a minute. You slow guys like Ferland when he knows there's a REAL price to pay if he continues to run around.
- Mungo

He is garbage. I will stop cheering for the Canucks if that fecal matter ever tarnishes a Canuck jersey.
F*cking hate him.

Have you ever played a real game of league hockey over the age of 15?

I am beginning to think you are a pencil pusher and book reader. You are all about stats but pay little attention to setting tones and creating space. I am not being sarcastic but have you ever played the game in an organized league?
- VANTEL

really?

really?
- RealityChecker

I don't think he has played , I think he is a student of the game and has watched it. I am curious to know if he has ever been nailed by a check and knows how it feels

Is it too early to sign Bartowski to a long-term contract?

Is it too early to sign Bartowski to a long-term contract?
- Mungo

I am just wondering how JB is going to include the draft pick?

Those 2 fights are perfect examples of why fighting should be banned from hockey. Neither had anything to do with the play. Neither was in protection of a player who had been cheap-shotted. They were staged. They were fighting for the sake of fighting.

Fighting has lost it's place in hockey and it has nothing to do with the instigator penalty. It's about the health and well being of players. Fighting does not protect anyone, it simply puts those who engage in on ice, standing on 2 narrow blades, bare knuckle, fisticuffs in danger.
- KB3Point0

Those were not staged fights. Dorsett and Ferlund have a history and I imagine Dorsett was trying to send a message.

Bollig was being a cheap shot all game until Prust fought him. He was slashing guys and cross checking behind the play or after the play. Eventually you have top make these guys understand they can't keep that stuff up. It is typical of a Hartley team.

To say it is staged and not needed, will only ever happen if the refs start calling all the cheap stuff happening, which they won't. So this is the only way the team can make the players accountable.

That's hockey.

I don't think he has played , I think he is a student of the game and has watched it. I am curious to know if he has ever been nailed by a check and knows how it feels
- VANTEL

who cares... never got why people tend to look down on fans if they haven't played a game. What ever angle you are viewing the game, you are still a fan. All perspectives are good.

I don't think he has played , I think he is a student of the game and has watched it. I am curious to know if he has ever been nailed by a check and knows how it feels
- VANTEL

There's more to winning a hockey game then scoring, a team isn't down unless you dominate them in all facets of the game, including hitting aggressiveness, williness to battle for every inch of space on the ice and yes even fighting. Will will beat skill everytime.

He is garbage. I will stop cheering for the Canucks if that fecal matter ever tarnishes a Canuck jersey.
F*cking hate him.
- Marwood

He is only worth the $$ if he is playing in the top 6. I am wondering if he is still productive enough to be in the top 6? The game is going to pass him by.

I wonder if JB pictures him on a line with the Sedins?

I don't think he has played , I think he is a student of the game and has watched it. I am curious to know if he has ever been nailed by a check and knows how it feels
- VANTEL

i'll take his reasoned analysis over a lot of mind boggling stuff that gets posted here. at least he backs up his opinions with facts and data.

Those were not staged fights. Dorsett and Ferlund have a history and I imagine Dorsett was trying to send a message.

Bollig was being a cheap shot all game until Prust fought him. He was slashing guys and cross checking behind the play or after the play. Eventually you have top make these guys understand they can't keep that stuff up. It is typical of a Hartley team.

To say it is staged and not needed, will only ever happen if the refs start calling all the cheap stuff happening, which they won't. So this is the only way the team can make the players accountable.

That's hockey.
- moondawg

I don't think Sutter minds giving up second line centre to play first line wing


The noticeable difference with that line last night was they were getting rid of bad habits. They were shooting instead of the continuous passing.

They were both going to the net .

The D that Sutter brings was beautiful.
- VANTEL

No more crosby Malkin shadow, he's breaking out this year, one game or not I like how balanced those lines were, except prust over Jv

I don't know about banned from hockey, but I am def against the staged fight
- Bieksa#3

Agreed. No need to ban from hockey.

My thoughts are something around a game misconduct for fighting and a 1 game suspension for 3 game misconducts, 3 game suspension upon the 6th game misconduct, etc.

No more crosby Malkin shadow, he's breaking out this year, one game or not I like how balanced those lines were, except prust over Jv
- phyllee

I think, if JB gets the opportunity, he will be moving one of those 2mil+ salaries in the bottom 6. They need a little more cap room just for flexibility.

Pussies please...I'm all for punching out the Flames staged or not.

Those were not staged fights. Dorsett and Ferlund have a history and I imagine Dorsett was trying to send a message.

Bollig was being a cheap shot all game until Prust fought him. He was slashing guys and cross checking behind the play or after the play. Eventually you have top make these guys understand they can't keep that stuff up. It is typical of a Hartley team.

To say it is staged and not needed, will only ever happen if the refs start calling all the cheap stuff happening, which they won't. So this is the only way the team can make the players accountable.

That's hockey.
- moondawg

Do you really think that either Bollig or Ferlund will alter their play AT ALL after those 2 fights last night?

Do you feel that either of those fights held either of them accountable?

If I was them I'd do it even more because I would know how badly it got under the team's skin.

This isn't the 80s anymore. There is no accountability other than what the NHL decides to hold people to. Fighting does not change that anymore.

THAT'S HOCKEY NOW.

He is garbage. I will stop cheering for the Canucks if that fecal matter ever tarnishes a Canuck jersey.
F*cking hate him.
- Marwood

Easy now... we already have Nucker on and off the band wagon... don't want to have to reprogram you also.

who cares... never got why people tend to look down on fans if they haven't played a game. What ever angle you are viewing the game, you are still a fan. All perspectives are good.
- anavar

I care because if I am discussing something I would like to know if they know what it feels like in those situations and not only read about it. It is a fair question.

I read about acting and watch it on tv daily but I really don't know what is like to actually act. I can tell if a person is good on screen or not but I have no idea about the whole realm of acting

I care because if I am discussing something I would like to know if they know what it feels like in those situations and not only read about it. It is a fair question.

I read about acting and watch it on tv daily but I really don't know what is like to actually act. I can tell if a person is good on screen or not but I have no idea about the whole realm of acting
- VANTEL

The best thing about this board is the concern for the feelings of others.

Do you really think that either Bollig or Ferlund will alter their play AT ALL after those 2 fights last night?

Do you feel that either of those fights held either of them accountable?

If I was them I'd do it even more because I would know how badly it got under the team's skin.

This isn't the 80s anymore. There is no accountability other than what the NHL decides to hold people to. Fighting does not change that anymore.

THAT'S HOCKEY NOW.
- KB3Point0

And do you think not fighting is going to magically make them think, "Oh, they aren't responding, guess I'll stop." No, it'll encourage them and they'll keep going until there's pushback. Fighting them isn't going to stop it, but it will make them think twice especially if Prust and Dorsett follow it up with doing the same things on Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau, Giordano and Hamilton that Ferland and Bollig were doing to our guys.

Do you really think that either Bollig or Ferlund will alter their play AT ALL after those 2 fights last night?

Do you feel that either of those fights held either of them accountable?

If I was them I'd do it even more because I would know how badly it got under the team's skin.

This isn't the 80s anymore. There is no accountability other than what the NHL decides to hold people to. Fighting does not change that anymore.

THAT'S HOCKEY NOW.
- KB3Point0

I'm alright with ejecting both or more for a fight...unless there is an instigator then just he gets ejected because the other guy is expected to defend himself.

I care because if I am discussing something I would like to know if they know what it feels like in those situations and not only read about it. It is a fair question.

I read about acting and watch it on tv daily but I really don't know what is like to actually act. I can tell if a person is good on screen or not but I have no idea about the whole realm of acting
- VANTEL

for the record, he has stated before he played the game. Does this make his opinions more valid? Less valid? do you now trust what he says because he got body checked?

Do you really think that either Bollig or Ferlund will alter their play AT ALL after those 2 fights last night?

Do you feel that either of those fights held either of them accountable?

If I was them I'd do it even more because I would know how badly it got under the team's skin.

This isn't the 80s anymore. There is no accountability other than what the NHL decides to hold people to. Fighting does not change that anymore.

THAT'S HOCKEY NOW.
- KB3Point0

Noooo, that's Soccer.

To answer your questions, Yes, and Yes, and more importantly it shows your teammates that the guys on the bench getting hacked and wacked, that "you as a team" won't stand by and let it happen. Win or lose the fight.

Do you play hockey? Have you ever? I do, and if someone is running around being an idiot on the other team, our guys chat about it on the bench and eventually someone will step up and smoke the clown and take a penalty (no hit league). Often it settles the goon down, and pumps your team up.

Easy now... we already have Nucker on and off the band wagon... don't want to have to reprogram you also.

- boonerbuck

Not a fan of Lucic. Can't stand guys who dish it out but can't take it. Matt Cooke lite.

There's more to winning a hockey game then scoring, a team isn't down unless you dominate them in all facets of the game, including hitting aggressiveness, williness to battle for every inch of space on the ice and yes even fighting. Will will beat skill everytime.
- DariusKnight

I used to be a rough player when I played and it won games and championships. Essentially my job was erasing talent from the other team and I was good at it. Hit hard. But never 1 hockey fight, no one usually survived the hit enough to fight me. Point being that Darius is right, this wins games if used right. If you hurt them enough it either destroys their roster or slows them down and makes them hesitate. Can't win like that.

There's been examples mind you of teams and players when used badly where it hurt them too. Ben Eager comes to mind.