Those were not staged fights. Dorsett and Ferlund have a history and I imagine Dorsett was trying to send a message.

Bollig was being a cheap shot all game until Prust fought him. He was slashing guys and cross checking behind the play or after the play. Eventually you have top make these guys understand they can't keep that stuff up. It is typical of a Hartley team.

To say it is staged and not needed, will only ever happen if the refs start calling all the cheap stuff happening, which they won't. So this is the only way the team can make the players accountable.

That's hockey.
- moondawg

I agree with this, those two fights sent a message to the flames, and they send to back away from their cheap shot intimidating style of hockey.


That being said I'm sure Jack Adams winner B. Hartley...
will employ his famous style on Sat. night.

The best thing about this board is the concern for the feelings of others.
- hillbillydeluxe

Do you really think that either Bollig or Ferlund will alter their play AT ALL after those 2 fights last night?

Do you feel that either of those fights held either of them accountable?

If I was them I'd do it even more because I would know how badly it got under the team's skin.

This isn't the 80s anymore. There is no accountability other than what the NHL decides to hold people to. Fighting does not change that anymore.

THAT'S HOCKEY NOW.
- KB3Point0

i'm no fan of staged fights but let's not go overboard about last night.

dorsett had to send a message, to the flames but also to the canucks. this is a new season and this canucks team is (supposedly) different than last year. it was a symbolic gesture but in the grand scheme means little. will it have an appreciable difference to either team? probably not but it's not a big deal.

with respect to prust, you have to remember that he is a new member to the team. he wants to show that he's a team player who is "all in." he had to fight to show that he's willing to do so. as much as the nhl has changed, some things are still the same. an energy guy/grinder/fighter will almost always fight in his first game with a new team.

either way, it's nothing that should be dissected to this extent (in the media and on here).

Do you really think that either Bollig or Ferlund will alter their play AT ALL after those 2 fights last night?

Do you feel that either of those fights held either of them accountable?

If I was them I'd do it even more because I would know how badly it got under the team's skin.

This isn't the 80s anymore. There is no accountability other than what the NHL decides to hold people to. Fighting does not change that anymore.

THAT'S HOCKEY NOW.
- KB3Point0

I agree with that. There's too much "politics" in it now to make the difference it used to. That's why the enforcer role is dead in the nhl.

i'll take his reasoned analysis over a lot of mind boggling stuff that gets posted here. at least he backs up his opinions with facts and data.
- RealityChecker

See I took his post of Lucic as a jab at Benning and everyone on here that supports JB going after Lucic. He has been doing it all summer with Sutter too. Giving us the soft stats and analytics.

Lucic last night had his head down and got clocked. Clean hit . He got up and went after the guy.

Burrows got a penalty on reputation for goalie interference. You even mentioned it.

After big clean hits with heads down, teams retaliate. Lucic did not leave it up to his teammates he dealt with it himself. It was much ado about nothing and more of reputation outburst.

We all know Lucic is a POS. Was that video worth going viral, not a chance. It was his reputation that made it viral.

I am talking thatone play. Not his other shannigans.

Anyways we seen Nucker looking down on Sutter everyday last summer. Now I expect we will be looking down on a player not even on our team until next season starts

Not a fan of Lucic. Can't stand guys who dish it out but can't take it. Matt Cooke lite.
- Marwood

Ya, he's a headcase. Everytime I slightly warm up to the idea of him as a Canuck, I rember 6+mil and him losing his poop over stuff happening to him that he does all season long.

I totally see where Vantel is coming from though... this team has no business getting ground and pound out of the playoffs after watching it happen so many times in the past. We lose the same way pretty much every time. There has to be cheaper and less rabid options Lucicfer.

He is only worth the $$ if he is playing in the top 6. I am wondering if he is still productive enough to be in the top 6? The game is going to pass him by.

I wonder if JB pictures him on a line with the Sedins?
- hillbillydeluxe

I think JV may steal that job away from Lucic. Our kids have surpassed expectations

- golfingsince

for the record, he has stated before he played the game. Does this make his opinions more valid? Less valid? do you now trust what he says because he got body checked?
- anavar

I have never seen him post that . That is why I asked.

- golfingsince

NA/AA

i'm no fan of staged fights but let's not go overboard about last night.

dorsett had to send a message, to the flames but also to the canucks. this is a new season and this canucks team is (supposedly) different than last year. it was a symbolic gesture but in the grand scheme means little. will it have an appreciable difference to either team? probably not but it's not a big deal.

- RealityChecker

I think they merely wanted to set an energy for the game early on. spark teams early. Makes sense.
But I'll agree with the "new season" message too

Ya, he's a headcase. Everytime I slightly warm up to the idea of him as a Canuck, I rember 6+mil and him losing his poop over stuff happening to him that he does all season long.

I totally see where Vantel is coming from though... this team has no business getting ground and pound out of the playoffs after watching it happen so many times in the past. We lose the same way pretty much every time. There has to be cheaper and less rabid options Lucicfer.

- boonerbuck

Fortunately, it looks like that is changing now. Faster with a bite.

I think they merely wanted to set an energy for the game early on. spark teams early. Makes sense.
But I'll agree with the "new season" message too
- SMBDragon

I thought the first fight was acceptable. The Prust one I just wanted it to get over with

Ya, he's a headcase. Everytime I slightly warm up to the idea of him as a Canuck, I rember 6+mil and him losing his poop over stuff happening to him that he does all season long.

I totally see where Vantel is coming from though... this team has no business getting ground and pound out of the playoffs after watching it happen so many times in the past. We lose the same way pretty much every time. There has to be cheaper and less rabid options Lucicfer.

- boonerbuck

I agree . If Lucic is not going to produce the 20-30 goals along with the toughness then sign Gazdic 2 years 1 mil each.

If you sign Lucic he has to be top 6 productivity

I think JV may steal that job away from Lucic. Our kids have surpassed expectations
- VANTEL

I'll agree. IF virtanen sticks that is and if he plays big enough.

JB may want more of that though too. You know how he is with targeting players, he's gonna end up with the guy eventually. Lucic may very well just be a liability.

Those 2 fights are perfect examples of why fighting should be banned from hockey. Neither had anything to do with the play. Neither was in protection of a player who had been cheap-shotted. They were staged. They were fighting for the sake of fighting.

Fighting has lost it's place in hockey and it has nothing to do with the instigator penalty. It's about the health and well being of players. Fighting does not protect anyone, it simply puts those who engage in on ice, standing on 2 narrow blades, bare knuckle, fisticuffs in danger.
- KB3Point0

you sir, should stop watching Hockey...

its completely necessary, the first fight was to send a message for the last playoff series (Dear little Ferland, stop effing around and acting like you're Tie Domi, Love Dorsett)

and the Prust fight was because the Canucks were asleep and needed to wake up, and boom whaddya know? they scored 2 goals and the momentum of the game completely shifted.

if you're worried about players well being, go watch Poker or Cricket

I thought the first fight was acceptable. The Prust one I just wanted it to get over with
- VANTEL

First fight was fine, second fight was to try and get the team into the game since they were getting outplayed by Calgary and outshot by that point. Fighting isn't just about sending a message to another team, it's also to send one to your team to give them a spark.

I'll agree. IF virtanen sticks that is and if he plays big enough.

JB may want more of that though too. You know how he is with targeting players, he's gonna end up with the guy eventually. Lucic may very well just be a liability.
- SMBDragon

Lucic was a lunatic that scored two years ago. Last year he was just a lunatic. He needs to find his scoring again

I'll agree. IF virtanen sticks that is and if he plays big enough.

JB may want more of that though too. You know how he is with targeting players, he's gonna end up with the guy eventually. Lucic may very well just be a liability.
- SMBDragon

I thought the first fight was acceptable. The Prust one I just wanted it to get over with
- VANTEL

Bollig was trying to injure our players. The crew didn't catch it, but after hit burrows he sucker punched him to the back of the head.

Bollig was trying to injure our players. The crew didn't catch it, but after hit burrows he sucker punched him to the back of the head.
- pker2theend

I did miss that. If it was like that then job well done

I think JV may steal that job away from Lucic. Our kids have surpassed expectations
- VANTEL

Ideally Hoping that is how it works out.

If both JV and McCann can stay beyond their 9 games, they should be moving out some salary, crazy to have a guy like Prust, Dorsett, Higgins or Hansen with their salary in the press box. and we still have Gaunce that looks ready to play in the NHL for depth.

First game out of the way and lots of hockey to be played, it feels like we are the Rodney Dangerfield of the NHL. The D is likely the biggest question mark, but for the transition game, Bartkowski is an improvement over Bieksa.

(I listed 4 vets above, but wouldn't expect all of them moved... but at least 1)

Ideally Hoping that is how it works out.

If both JV and McCann can stay beyond their 9 games, they should be moving out some salary, crazy to have a guy like Prust, Dorsett, Higgins or Hansen with their salary in the press box. and we still have Gaunce that looks ready to play in the NHL for depth.

First game out of the way and lots of hockey to be played, it feels like we are the Rodney Dangerfield of the NHL. The D is likely the biggest question mark, but for the transition game, Bartkowski is an improvement over Bieksa.
- hillbillydeluxe

I am turning into a big fan of the homegrown talent.

I did miss that. If it was like that then job well done
- VANTEL

It may have been after the fight, I don't remeber exactly when it happened