I guess that shows how much your opinion is worth. Why don't you tell that to Wade Belak's kids or Rick Rypien's parents.
- KB3Point0

I'm not familiar with Belak's situation, but if you don't want to fight you don't need to. One years salary in the NHL will give you capital to do anything you want to pursue.

I strongly disagree. I'm glad players like Sestito are gone from the league but all of these guys can play hockey as well as fight. Both fights were about sending a message and I believe the message was received. Hockey is a violent game and the physical nature of the sport helps attract more casual fans. Eliminate fighting and you will have more stick work and cheap shots which imo is more dangerous.
- CanuckDon

Except the fights didn't eliminate any of the stickwork or the cheapshots. Hamilton still plastered Horvat from behind and Ferlund still ran guys from the other end of the ice all game.

It does not work as a deterrent anymore.

Whoever is playing well should get the call up.

I don't think they want Vey back up with the Canucks if he isn't more aggressive offensively, trying to push the play and generate opportunity. If he can't play that way, he won't be here or anywhere in the NHL. Don't want to write him off yet. But others are taking a step forward when he has taken a step back.

Lets see if Green can get him going.
- hillbillydeluxe

I don't think he gets a call up unless they know he is ready for the NHL. Sending him back if he is here to fill in for injured player exposes him to waivers again . They could call Gaunce worry free

See Raffi Torres, Jordan Tootoo, and others as example of how that doesn't do anything. If fighting goes, expect to see more players of Torres, Tootoo and their ilk causing havok and more and more serious injuries occuring.
- DariusKnight

Great examples of how fighting in hockey deters cheap shots!

Except the fights didn't eliminate any of the stickwork or the cheapshots. Hamilton still plastered Horvat from behind and Ferlund still ran guys from the other end of the ice all game.

It does not work as a deterrent anymore.
- KB3Point0

Neither does doing nothing or penalizing or suspending players like Ferland. Maybe fighting doesn't STOP it, but it sure makes them understand that doing stuff like that DOES have consequences ON THE ICE if there's players around willing to fight and stand up for their teammates. Ferland and others of their ilk don't care if they get suspended, that's what they were signed for, to be agitators on ice and toe the line (even cross it at times) to get under player's skins.

Ken Hitchcock never played.
- boonerbuck

I never said pro hockey I asked organized hockey after the age of 15. I am sure both of them have

Except the fights didn't eliminate any of the stickwork or the cheapshots. Hamilton still plastered Horvat from behind and Ferlund still ran guys from the other end of the ice all game.

It does not work as a deterrent anymore.
- KB3Point0

It only works as a deterrent if Ferland gets his arse handed to him. Which didn't happen. Either beat him down or run him through the boards. If that doesn't happen, Ferland is gonna have his way with the Canucks in the physicality department. One thing I would like to see is our boys using the sticks on the opposition a little more. We are way too much of an honest team out there. I watched every Flame centerman throw a crosscheck, hack and a slash during and after every draw.

i'm not sure i agree. maybe i do, maybe i don't.

can you please post a video of you skating and doing some shooting drills so i know whether i should agree with you or not?
- RealityChecker

You can't handle the truth.

Everyday I put my life on these boards and come on here to protect the posters against the enemy. I don't need to take flack from smug punks like you.

When your on these boards you just need to stand at attention and salute my posts and smile

( in my Jack Nicholson voice)

I never said pro hockey I asked organized hockey after the age of 15. I am sure both of them have
- VANTEL

just out of curiousity; why does it have to be after age 15? does beer league count? does it matter if there is hitting allowed (a lot of beer leagues don't)? does it matter if it's coed? do you need referees and coaches? does pick up count?

if you never played as a kid but played beer league as an adult, does that count?

does this only apply to hockey or everything? does my opinion about football not count b/c i never played beyond the park? if i joined a flag football league now, would my opinion matter more?

does this apply to other facets of life? should i only value political commentary from those who have worked in government or worked on a campaign?

You can't handle the truth.

Everyday I put my life on these boards and come on here to protect the posters against the enemy. I don't need to take flack from smug punks like you.

When your on these boards you just need to stand at attention and salute my posts and smile

( in my Jack Nicholson voice)
- VANTEL

can't take you seriously. you're not an actor. you may have watched some tv and read some books but you're no actor.

edit: btw, in your post, your implication is that i'm tom cruise. that's pretty mean... dude, that's way offside! calling someone tom cruise is ban worthy!

just out of curiousity; why does it have to be after age 15? does beer league count? does it matter if there is hitting allowed (a lot of beer leagues don't)? does it matter if it's coed? do you need referees and coaches? does pick up count?

if you never played as a kid but played beer league as an adult, does that count?

does this only apply to hockey or everything? does my opinion about football not count b/c i never played beyond the park? if i joined a flag football league now, would my opinion matter more?

does this apply to other facets of life? should i only value political commentary from those who have worked in government or worked on a campaign?
- RealityChecker

You are making way to much out of a simple question.

My answer to you it is none of your business . It was a question asked to Nucker not you.

Seeing you did make it your business, I asked him because I know he knows a lot of stats and facts , that is not the question. I want to know has he ever been levelled to know how players respond.

I asked over 15 because when you have a big body check from an 8 year old who ways 40 lbs is not going to have the same affects as someone 179 lbs.

LUcic got up and answered a check . We see that response hundreds of times in the NHL but because it's Lucic Nucker is taking jabs. So I asked him does he know what it is like to actually play and take that type of punishment or has he only read how it feels

I'm not familiar with Belak's situation, but if you don't want to fight you don't need to. One years salary in the NHL will give you capital to do anything you want to pursue.
- pker2theend

29 year olds with 2 little girls shouldn't be killing themselves due to degenerative brain diseases that they acquired at work. End of story.

You are making way to much out of a simple question.

My answer to you it is none of your business . It was a use question asked to Nucker not you.

Seeing you did make it your business, I asked him because I know he knows a lot of stats and facts , that is not the question. I want to know has he ever been levelled to know how players respond.

I asked over 15 because when you have a big body check from an 8 year old who ways 40 lbs is not going to have the same affects as someone 179 lbs.

LUcic got up and answered a check . We see that response hundreds of times in the NHL but because it's Lucic Nucker is taking jabs. So I asked him does he know what it is like to actually play and take that type of punishment or has he only read how it feels
- VANTEL

i'm just having some fun b/c i think the concept is ridiculous.

we get that you like lucic but defending him going after couture for a legal check is not a good look.

players can fight after a legal check (happens all the time but in most instances, it is dumb) but what lucic did was across the line.

this was not a reputation call. he hit couture in the head to retaliate. something that selfish lucic does with regularity.

it was a bad retaliatory play by lucic and he deserves to be ridiculed for it. it did not show how tough lucic is. it only further showed how much of a baby he is when other people hit him LEGALLY.

calling out nucker is only blaming the messenger.

There's a bunch of intricacies the average viewing fan misses having never played the game (esp. at a high level). That's what's so painful about these comment boards... most people cant even skate so why should we give two poops about their opinion?
- Max.Betts

Because their opinions matter regardless of their higher level of playing ability...seriously if that's the credibility criteria for being accepted or acknowledged,Mike Milbury and Don Cherry should be revered as hockey gods,

Sorry not swallowing this thought at all...

You are making way to much out of a simple question.

My answer to you it is none of your business . It was a question asked to Nucker not you.

Seeing you did make it your business, I asked him because I know he knows a lot of stats and facts , that is not the question. I want to know has he ever been levelled to know how players respond.

I asked over 15 because when you have a big body check from an 8 year old who ways 40 lbs is not going to have the same affects as someone 179 lbs.

LUcic got up and answered a check . We see that response hundreds of times in the NHL but because it's Lucic Nucker is taking jabs. So I asked him does he know what it is like to actually play and take that type of punishment or has he only read how it feels
- VANTEL

And its wrong every time it happens. I have no respect for a guy who wants to settle a score because he had his head down and got nailed with a clean check. He should have gotten 2 min for charging, 5 minutes for boarding and a game misconduct for that play. No idea if he received any penalties or not.

Neither does doing nothing or penalizing or suspending players like Ferland. Maybe fighting doesn't STOP it, but it sure makes them understand that doing stuff like that DOES have consequences ON THE ICE if there's players around willing to fight and stand up for their teammates. Ferland and others of their ilk don't care if they get suspended, that's what they were signed for, to be agitators on ice and toe the line (even cross it at times) to get under player's skins.
- DariusKnight

No. Fighting used to. It stopped doing that years ago so it DOES NOT ACT AS ANY FORM OF A DETERRENT ANYMORE.

I'm not saying fighting isn't entertaining. It is. I like watching a good hockey scrap. But I do not like guys f*cking killing themselves in their 20s and 30s because of the affects of fighting. It isn't worth it.

You are making way to much out of a simple question.

My answer to you it is none of your business . It was a use question asked to Nucker not you.

Seeing you did make it your business, I asked him because I know he knows a lot of stats and facts , that is not the question. I want to know has he ever been levelled to know how players respond.

I asked over 15 because when you have a big body check from an 8 year old who ways 40 lbs is not going to have the same affects as someone 179 lbs.

LUcic got up and answered a check . We see that response hundreds of times in the NHL but because it's Lucic Nucker is taking jabs. So I asked him does he know what it is like to actually play and take that type of punishment or has he only read how it feels
- VANTEL

I know this isn't directed at me, but because of our many lucic debates in the past I felt the need to jump in.

The video is just another example of how he is a baby and can't handle the fact that someone hit him like he hits many others. Had he of taken Couture's # and got his revenge in the midst of the hockey game instead of charging him immediately, I think your point is valid in him standing up for himself.

Instead he made a selfish hotheaded decision that many times will hurt his team. To his credit at least he didn't go for the cheap nut shot but the point is the same, this is not a "character guy", he is a bully who often over reacts, cheap shots,blames others, cries to the media if he is on the one on the receiving end.

i'm not sure i agree. maybe i do, maybe i don't.

can you please post a video of you skating and doing some shooting drills so i know whether i should agree with you or not?
- RealityChecker

And its wrong every time it happens. I have no respect for a guy who wants to settle a score because he had his head down and got nailed with a clean check. He should have gotten 2 min for charging, 5 minutes for boarding and a game misconduct for that play. No idea if he received any penalties or not.
- 1970vintage

he got a match penalty.

i'm not sure if lucic screamed at the refs "do you know who i am?" like he does to cops.

he got a match penalty.

i'm not sure if lucic screamed at the refs "do you know who i am?" like he does to cops.
- RealityChecker

i'm just having some fun b/c i think the concept is ridiculous.

we get that you like lucic but defending him going after couture for a legal check is ridiculous.

players can fight after a legal check (happens all the time but in most instances, it is ridiculous) but what lucic did was across the line.

this was not a reputation call. he hit couture in the head to retaliate. something that selfish lucic does with regularity.

it was a bad retaliatory play by lucic and he deserves to be ridiculed for it. it did not show how tough lucic is. it only further showed how much of a baby he is when other people hit him LEGALLY.

calling out nucker is only blaming the messenger.
- RealityChecker

I've said it before LUcic is an ass. I didn't think that was viral worthy. I have seen that type of response time after time. His cup check was viral worthy.

Browns head butt , viral worthy.

My gripe was more of all summer long Nucker ragged on Benning and Sutter, now LUcic. We had a good game last night lets enjoy the season and stop pointing out how LUcic plays when he is not on our team.

BTW the only way I want LUcic on the Canucks is if he can produce 20-30 goals. There are cheaper enforcers

No. Fighting used to. It stopped doing that years ago so it DOES NOT ACT AS ANY FORM OF A DETERRENT ANYMORE.

I'm not saying fighting isn't entertaining. It is. I like watching a good hockey scrap. But I do not like guys f*cking killing themselves in their 20s and 30s because of the affects of fighting. It isn't worth it.
- KB3Point0

Neither do suspensions or doing absolutely nothing, and the guys that killed themselves had mental issues way before the damage they acquired in hockey fights. I'll agree that the damage they got were the trigger that set them off, but it's incorrect to say that if they never fought they'd never have killed themselves or that them fighting was the sole reason.

And its wrong every time it happens. I have no respect for a guy who wants to settle a score because he had his head down and got nailed with a clean check. He should have gotten 2 min for charging, 5 minutes for boarding and a game misconduct for that play. No idea if he received any penalties or not.
- 1970vintage

It is wrong every time.

My point was Nucker taking swipes at Benning wanting LUcic and the support of the posters that want ML.

Opportunity passed and no guarantee that it will even be relevant next year

I've said it before LUcic is an ass. I didn't think that was viral worthy. I have seen that type of response time after time. His cup check was viral worthy.

Browns head butt , viral worthy.

My gripe was more of all summer long Nucker ragged on Benning and Sutter, now LUcic. We had a good game last night lets enjoy the season and stop pointing out how LUcic plays when he is not on our team.

BTW the only way I want LUcic on the Canucks is if he can produce 20-30 goals. There are cheaper enforcers
- VANTEL

Hopefully JV makes the thought of Lucic redundant.

I've said it before LUcic is an ass. I didn't think that was viral worthy. I have seen that type of response time after time. His cup check was viral worthy.

Browns head butt , viral worthy.

My gripe was more of all summer long Nucker ragged on Benning and Sutter, now LUcic. We had a good game last night lets enjoy the season and stop pointing out how LUcic plays when he is not on our team.

BTW the only way I want LUcic on the Canucks is if he can produce 20-30 goals. There are cheaper enforcers
- VANTEL

i'll just chalk it up to misplaced nucker rage. that is at least understandable.

i don't like lucic and think he'd be a bad fit at this point in time for the canucks.

pivoting the conversation to the rebuild, i think it is a bad idea for the team to go out and sign any high priced ufa's.

unless you can get a guy on the upswing of his career (meaning 25ish years old), i don't think there is any need to sign top tier free agents.

a player like lucic (or most top tier ufa) is a "help the team now" kind of player. the canucks need players like that in about 3 years. at the moment (and going into next summer), the team needs players who are improving but a few years away from their peak.

a player like lucic (if he isn't already) will be on the decline when the team (hopefully) becomes a contender. once the team becomes a contender, the team will need the cap space more than a 30+ year old lucic.