I know this isn't directed at me, but because of our many lucic debates in the past I felt the need to jump in.

The video is just another example of how he is a baby and can't handle the fact that someone hit him like he hits many others. Had he of taken Couture's # and got his revenge in the midst of the hockey game instead of charging him immediately, I think your point is valid in him standing up for himself.

Instead he made a selfish hotheaded decision that many times will hurt his team. To his credit at least he didn't go for the cheap nut shot but the point is the same, this is not a "character guy", he is a bully who often over reacts, cheap shots,blames others, cries to the media if he is on the one on the receiving end.
- belcherbd

We have debated over and over. There is more than like a good chance that it will never happen. I wish ML well if he can find his scoring touch back I hope he is a Canuck if he doesn't , enjoy LA

he got a match penalty.

i'm not sure if lucic screamed at the refs "do you know who i am?" like he does to cops.
- RealityChecker

Every time the ref turned to look up ice I'd be slashing him on the back of the ankle, or in the junk, knowing that he's going to go ballistic and chase me all over the ice, and probably take a penalty or two along the way.

It is wrong every time.

My point was Nucker taking swipes at Benning wanting LUcic and the support of the posters that want ML.

Opportunity passed and no guarantee that it will even be relevant next year
- VANTEL

Lucic at this point is a slightly more skilled Torres, and that's not a good thing if you're paying him 6mil+ a season. He's too focused on being a goon and not on playing top six type hockey.

We have debated over and over. There is more than like a good chance that it will never happen. I wish ML well if he can find his scoring touch back I hope he is a Canuck if he doesn't , enjoy LA
- VANTEL

I certainly hope so, but the issue for me, is that Benning admitted going hard after him this year and I have a hard time believing he won't be will to do the same again this off-season if he gets the chance.

I don't care if he scores 50 goals, I don't want a guy on my team who has no respect for the game.

i'll just chalk it up to misplaced nucker rage. that is at least understandable.

i don't like lucic and think he'd be a bad fit at this point in time for the canucks.

pivoting the conversation to the rebuild, i think it is a bad idea for the team to go out and sign any high priced ufa's.

unless you can get a guy on the upswing of his career (meaning 25ish years old), i don't think there is any need to sign top tier free agents.

a player like lucic (or most top tier ufa) is a "help the team now" kind of player. the canucks need players like that in about 3 years. at the moment (and going into next summer), the team needs players who are improving but a few years away from their peak.



a player like lucic (if he isn't already) will be on the decline when the team (hopefully) becomes a contender. once the team becomes a contender, the team will need the cap space more than a 30+ year old lucic.
- RealityChecker

We just need a power forward that can hit. JV will probably fit into that role.

I am not denying LUcic is turning into Kassian 2.0

I do hope he finds his game, both of them

Neither do suspensions or doing absolutely nothing, and the guys that killed themselves had mental issues way before the damage they acquired in hockey fights. I'll agree that the damage they got were the trigger that set them off, but it's incorrect to say that if they never fought they'd never have killed themselves or that them fighting was the sole reason.
- DariusKnight

There is absolutely nothing that will 100% act as a deterrent. The only thing that has PROVEN to work is suspensions. Players openly admit to thinking twice after being suspended. Look back at interviews with Edler after he was suspended a couple times.

To suggest that the guys who killed themselves had mental issues before the damage from hockey fights is incorrect.

Lucic at this point is a slightly more skilled Torres, and that's not a good thing if you're paying him 6mil+ a season. He's too focused on being a goon and not on playing top six type hockey.
- DariusKnight

Which makes him the perfect fit in LA...if JB is going after a 6mil player it better be a skilled top 6 forward or a #1 dman.

I personally what nothing to do with Lucic...ever

There is absolutely nothing that will 100% act as a deterrent. The only thing that has PROVEN to work is suspensions. Players openly admit to thinking twice after being suspended. Look back at interviews with Edler after he was suspended a couple times.

To suggest that the guys who killed themselves had mental issues before the damage from hockey fights is incorrect.
- KB3Point0

Read Rick Rypien's biography or the website set up in his name by Kevin Bieksa, it stated that he was known to have had mental issues before he joined the NHL/AHL.

Lucic at this point is a slightly more skilled Torres, and that's not a good thing if you're paying him 6mil+ a season. He's too focused on being a goon and not on playing top six type hockey.
- DariusKnight

I liked the LUcic on the cup winning Bruins. I honestly think JB is losing interest and will keep an eye on him this year. If he is going to be a nut job then Benning will find a different player. If he comes back to being a power forward he will gain interest by Kings Oilers Nucks and 15 other teams

There is absolutely nothing that will 100% act as a deterrent. The only thing that has PROVEN to work is suspensions. Players openly admit to thinking twice after being suspended. Look back at interviews with Edler after he was suspended a couple times.

To suggest that the guys who killed themselves had mental issues before the damage from hockey fights is incorrect.
- KB3Point0

If the league truly wants to get the dangerous plays out of the game they need to be targeting the organizations who employ the players who continuously cross the line.

Obviously said player needs to be accountable but if the NHL came down harshly on the teams as well, you will see a change a lot quicker IMO.

There is absolutely nothing that will 100% act as a deterrent. The only thing that has PROVEN to work is suspensions. Players openly admit to thinking twice after being suspended. Look back at interviews with Edler after he was suspended a couple times.

To suggest that the guys who killed themselves had mental issues before the damage from hockey fights is incorrect.
- KB3Point0

Actually no it's not, to even discount that their where no issues before hockey is naive.

So you're suggesting that my brother killed himself because he fought in sports, and the other mental and depression issues played no part. I have no idea why he did this to himself and his family, but I certainly don't believe fighting was the route cause

We just need a power forward that can hit. JV will probably fit into that role.

I am not denying LUcic is turning into Kassian 2.0

I do hope he finds his game, both of them
- VANTEL

i think we all agree that the canucks are in a rebuild. the only question now is how long will it take?

from my view, i think it's a 3-5 year proposition to once again be a top flight contender. this doesn't mean that it's a lock (or can't be done quicker) but i believe that it is a multi season endeavour.

b/c of that, i really don't see the need to bring in high priced free agents that will eat up cap space as well as prime ice time. draft well, develop organically. if your draft picks turn out, you're going to need the cap space anyway to re-sign them.

Read Rick Rypien's biography or the website set up in his name by Kevin Bieksa, it stated that he was known to have had mental issues before he joined the NHL/AHL.
- DariusKnight

Read up on CTE and you will see that there is a lot of evidence between individuals who have taken repeated shots to the head and certain mental illnesses including depression.

To suggest that it is the only reason is obviously false but suggesting that it only matters if those repeated trauma's are only valid if they occur in pro sports doesn't make any sense.

i think we all agree that the canucks are in a rebuild. the only question now is how long will it take?

from my view, i think it's a 3-5 year proposition to once again be a top flight contender. this doesn't mean that it's a lock (or can't be done quicker) but i believe that it is a multi season endeavour.

b/c of that, i really don't see the need to bring in high priced free agents that will eat up cap space as well as prime ice time. draft well, develop organically. if your draft picks turn out, you're going to need the cap space anyway to re-sign them.
- RealityChecker

I tend to think based upon the progress of McCann, Virtanen and Hutton (not to mention the players in Utica who are close like Subban/Cassels/Gaunce/Shinkaruk) that we're closer than we think. I think we'll be a contender in 2-3 years which might give the Sedins a chance if they take a short contract for less money to actually win a Cup before they retire.

Actually no it's not, to even discount that their where no issues before hockey is naive.

So you're suggesting that my brother killed himself because he fought in sports, and the other mental and depression issues played no part. I have no idea why he did this to himself and his family, but I certainly don't believe fighting was the route cause
- Makita

There are many reasons why individuals have mental illnesses and many of those are not understood.

One thing that is documented by the scientific and medical community in large is the correlation between head trauma and CTE.

i think we all agree that the canucks are in a rebuild. the only question now is how long will it take?

from my view, i think it's a 3-5 year proposition to once again be a top flight contender. this doesn't mean that it's a lock (or can't be done quicker) but i believe that it is a multi season endeavour.

b/c of that, i really don't see the need to bring in high priced free agents that will eat up cap space as well as prime ice time. draft well, develop organically. if your draft picks turn out, you're going to need the cap space anyway to re-sign them.
- RealityChecker

My projection is 3 years and we will be a top team again. I agree on the drafting part. I think Benning in his two drafts have made huge impact. I look at the Comets and our current roster and am impressed. I want the old guys gone too Higgins Prust Vrbata. Burrows still brings it so I don't mind him but won't cry if he is gone.

I said a few weeks ago I am checking more these days of who we have more than who can we pick up.

Not to repeat things from earlier I am quite comfortable about the Canucks and my post was a rip at Nucker not trying to make LUcic be a hero.

Read up on CTE and you will see that there is a lot of evidence between individuals who have taken repeated shots to the head and certain mental illnesses including depression.

To suggest that it is the only reason is obviously false but suggesting that it only matters if those repeated trauma's are only valid if they occur in pro sports doesn't make any sense.
- belcherbd

CTE is not the be all or end all, plenty of players that have had CTE have not killed themselves and have gone on to fairly productive lives after sports. It is a factor, but it's only a factor, and it's disinteguous to say that CTE is the sole or even the main reason why players kill themselves when not everything is known about CTE or the history of the player in question. Did drugs and alcohol play a factor? Childhood abuse? Financial or marital stresses? We don't know these things when it comes to players like Boogard, Rypien et. al. How much of their lifestyles and other stressors came into play coupled with the CTE and if any underlying mental illnesses they had caused them to make the decisions they did?

wtf is going on with team1040? they are broadcasting blue jays (fox feed) and dan patrick on 1410, way to keep it local.

not feeling the fever

wtf is going on with team1040? they are broadcasting blue jays and dan patrick on 1410, way to keep it local.
- hillbillydeluxe

TVs off, radios off ahhhh

TVs off, radios off ahhhh
- VANTEL

Just looking for some Canucks talk.. doesn't make sense to me that they have 1410 with Dan Patrick, seems like that is where the Jays game should be and regular programming on 1040.

If I ruled the world...

If you have an a$%hole in your office, this might not be too hard to understand.

With all the different roles and personalities, there has to many varied perspectives on the player experience.
- hillbillydeluxe

Usually you aren't on the road for weeks at a time with your office mates. It's a little different as leadership becomes far more important.

I just want to weigh in on the 2 fights last night....

Too say that they were staged and meaningless fights all you need to do is look to both benches after the fights. Both benches were banging their sticks on the boards. Its about setting a tone. Its about grit and toughness. Its about respect.

In society today so much emphasis is put on kids being bullied. Where a pink ribbon or a pink shirt to say no to BULLYING. Bull$hit. There will always be bullies in life unfortunately it won't go away. There are 3 kinds of people the Bullies, the people who get bullied and the people who help the people being bullied and don't get bullied themselves.

I have beat up bullies, I have been beat up by bullies, I have prevented people from being bullied and from all this you know what I got respect. Respect for myself, respect for others, and respect from the bullies. So man up and stop pi$$ing and moaning about how fighting has no place in hockey anymore.

Yes staged fights are stupid. These were not.

Today's world we have a society that is full of pu$$ies and hockey has little room for the pu$$ies.

There are many reasons why individuals have mental illnesses and many of those are not understood.

One thing that is documented by the scientific and medical community in large is the correlation between head trauma and CTE.
- belcherbd

Of course there is, there are correlations directly related to head trauma, but to suggest that fighting in hockey is the only reason, again to me is naive. And to proclaim the only solution is to ban fighting in hockey again I believe is wrong.

So let's say fighting is banned, and a player continually gets body check hard and his brain gets rattled around...long story short, ends up killing himself, should body checking be taken out also.

Soccer players head the ball all the time and it has been studied and documented, that there could be health repercussions in latter years, and yet FIFA will never remove that from their game.

CTE is not the be all or end all, plenty of players that have had CTE have not killed themselves and have gone on to fairly productive lives after sports. It is a factor, but it's only a factor, and it's disinteguous to say that CTE is the sole or even the main reason why players kill themselves when not everything is known about CTE or the history of the player in question. Did drugs and alcohol play a factor? Childhood abuse? Financial or marital stresses? We don't know these things when it comes to players like Boogard, Rypien et. al. How much of their lifestyles and other stressors came into play coupled with the CTE and if any underlying mental illnesses they had caused them to make the decisions they did?
- DariusKnight

I agree there are many factors involved and we don't know what a lot of those factors are.
One that we do know has a documented impact that is that CTE, and wasn't the point of this that because we know this is a correlation that we should be doing more to remove this from the game?

To say, well there are other factors in play so we can ignore the one that is documented to have an impact is irresponsible.

Also I believe the only way of diagnosing CTE is to examine the brain after death so it is very difficult to know who has it and who doesn't.

We do know that 76 of 79 former NFL players examined had it. And that 80% of all football players examined had it. That is too strong to ignore.

Just looking for some Canucks talk.. doesn't make sense to me that they have 1410 with Dan Patrick, seems like that is where the Jays game should be and regular programming on 1040.

If I ruled the world...
- hillbillydeluxe

Canucks talk 24/7

Leaf talk 2 years of solitaire ?