Of course there is, there are correlations directly related to head trauma, but to suggest that fighting in hockey is the only reason, again to me is naive. And to proclaim the only solution is to ban fighting in hockey again I believe is wrong.

So let's say fighting is banned, and a player continually gets body check hard and his brain gets rattled around...long story short, ends up killing himself, should body checking be taken out also.

Soccer players head the ball all the time and it has been studied and documented, that there could be health repercussions in latter years, and yet FIFA will never remove that from their game.
- Makita

It's kind of like correlating smoking to lung cancer. It can be a cause but there are many non-smokers that end up with lung cancer.

It's kind of like correlating smoking to lung cancer. It can be a cause but there are many non-smokers that end up with lung cancer.
- golfingsince

Like eating to much red meat may cause colorectal cancer.

Of course there is, there are correlations directly related to head trauma, but to suggest that fighting in hockey is the only reason, again to me is naive. And to proclaim the only solution is to ban fighting in hockey again I believe is wrong.

So let's say fighting is banned, and a player continually gets body check hard and his brain gets rattled around...long story short, ends up killing himself, should body checking be taken out also.

Soccer players head the ball all the time and it has been studied and documented, that there could be health repercussions in latter years, and yet FIFA will never remove that from their game.
- Makita

We also know that a large population of smokers develop cancerous cells in their body, it isn't the only reason cancer occurs but it is one that is not debatable at this point.
In order to help prevent larger levels of cancer don't you think that it is important to take steps to try and prevent people from smoking?

Like eating to much red meat may cause colorectal cancer.
- thundachunk

Blasphamy

Canucks talk 24/7

Leaf talk 2 years of solitaire ?
- VANTEL

Canuck talk on a local station instead of piped in american stuff on both stations at that.

Leafs can be found on at least one channel of every sports channel group for the most part.

But I do find myself playing solitaire and listening to the radio, too many addictions.

It's kind of like correlating smoking to lung cancer. It can be a cause but there are many non-smokers that end up with lung cancer.
- golfingsince

Wait you think that just because some people who get lung cancer are non smokers that smoking isn't a factor in lung cancer....

amazing how we can use the same example and be on the other side of the ledger.

Tobacco use accounts for at least 30% of all cancer deaths, causing 87% of lung cancer deaths in men, and 70% of lung cancer deaths in women.

Wait you think that just because some people who get lung cancer on non smokers that smoking isn't a factor in lung cancer....

amazing how we can use the same example and be on the other side of the ledger.
- belcherbd

Maybe you should read it again.

I never said pro hockey I asked organized hockey after the age of 15. I am sure both of them have
- VANTEL

Did u read my post? I'm not sure of hitch, but Feegster has never played organized hockey ever. He literally can't skate

Wait you think that just because some people who get lung cancer on non smokers that smoking isn't a factor in lung cancer....

amazing how we can use the same example and be on the other side of the ledger.
- belcherbd

If a welder dies of lung cancer and was also a smoker, was it th smoking of the welding fumes. Sorry my question mark button is (frank)ed.

Wait you think that just because some people who get lung cancer are non smokers that smoking isn't a factor in lung cancer....

amazing how we can use the same example and be on the other side of the ledger.
- belcherbd

All the laws about 2nd hand smoke prove this.

I expect the young guys to make an impact at the end of the season like Bo if they get the chance.

If a welder dies of lung cancer and was also a smoker, was it th smoking of the welding fumes. Sorry my question mark button is (frank)ed.
- thundachunk

Are u suggesting smoking isn't as bad as people make it out to be

Thanks for proving my point. It doesn't account for all of the deaths.

If a welder dies of lung cancer and was also a smoker, was it th smoking of the welding fumes. Sorry my question mark button is (frank)ed.
- thundachunk

I have no idea and that isn't the point.

The point is we know there is a correlation between, back to the subject, head trauma and CTE and between CTE and certain mental illnesses.

To ignore that just because there are other factors is irresponsible and naive. Honestly, I don't see how anyone can debate that.

If someone wants to tell me fighting should be in the game because it is entertaining, I can't argue with that. But really that is the only reason people have to argue for it. Trying to hide behind the false narratives of protection, or that it doesn't have a negative health benefit is silly.

- golfingsince

You win hockeybuzz for the day brother. Good stuff!

Are u suggesting smoking isn't as bad as people make it out to be
- Bieksa#3

NO. Horrible $hit. Killed more than a few people I know.

Thanks for proving my point. It doesn't account for all of the deaths.
- golfingsince

No problem, I agree with that statement.

No. Fighting used to. It stopped doing that years ago so it DOES NOT ACT AS ANY FORM OF A DETERRENT ANYMORE.

I'm not saying fighting isn't entertaining. It is. I like watching a good hockey scrap. But I do not like guys f*cking killing themselves in their 20s and 30s because of the affects of fighting. It isn't worth it.
- KB3Point0

Great blanket statements you are throwing out today. I don't think taking a few punches was the sole cause of suicides....but clearly you do.

Also, if you played hockey you wouldn't agree that fighting isn't a deterrent. That's a ridiculous comment. I play beer league hockey and I'm aware of the size of the other team. If they don't have a tough guy we will certainly take liberties on their skilled guys and I am talking about beer league hockey.

Lucic at this point is a slightly more skilled Torres, and that's not a good thing if you're paying him 6mil+ a season. He's too focused on being a goon and not on playing top six type hockey.
- DariusKnight

Lucic doesn't need to headhunt like Torres to get his point across. He can goon it up when needed or play top 6 minutes when needed...not many like that. Sure the Couture hit on Lucic was clean, but it doesn't matter if it was clean or dirty. Lucic chased after Couture to send him a message...if you chose to hit me clean or dirty you will deal with me on this level. I guarantee you Couture will think twice about going low on Lucic again. Clean or not.

Lucic doesn't need to headhunt like Torres to get his point across. He can goon it up when needed or play top 6 minutes when needed...not many like that. Sure the Couture hit on Lucic was clean, but it doesn't matter if it was clean or dirty. Lucic chased after Couture to send him a message...if you chose to hit me clean or dirty you will deal with me on this level. I guarantee you Couture will think twice about going low on Lucic again. Clean or not.
- LordHumungous

Ya he will think, if I play hockey against him which includes a clean hit, there is a good chance he will take a penalty or possibly even take himself out of the game.

I have no idea and that isn't the point.

The point is we know there is a correlation between, back to the subject, head trauma and CTE and between CTE and certain mental illnesses.

To ignore that just because there are other factors is irresponsible and naive. Honestly, I don't see how anyone can debate that.

If someone wants to tell me fighting should be in the game because it is entertaining, I can't argue with that. But really that is the only reason people have to argue for it. Trying to hide behind the false narratives of protection, or that it doesn't have a negative health benefit is silly.
- belcherbd

Its about respect. Yes too many punches is bad and causes head trauma so do body checks and high sticks. I'm not a full on idiot. I am not saying ignore it either. I am saying it has its place in the game.

I have no idea and that isn't the point.

The point is we know there is a correlation between, back to the subject, head trauma and CTE and between CTE and certain mental illnesses.

To ignore that just because there are other factors is irresponsible and naive. Honestly, I don't see how anyone can debate that.

If someone wants to tell me fighting should be in the game because it is entertaining, I can't argue with that. But really that is the only reason people have to argue for it. Trying to hide behind the false narratives of protection, or that it doesn't have a negative health benefit is silly.
- belcherbd

Of course something should be done, but to say that people that have CTE will kill themselves or say that because CTE exists we should ban fighting is also silly. I say again, CTE by itself doesn't cause mental illness, it's only a factor, I will go so far as to say it can be a major factor but to use it and the tragic deaths of former players to say that fighting should be banned or phased out is doing them a disservice and faulty logic.

Ya he will think, if I play hockey against him which includes a clean hit, there is a good chance he will take a penalty or possibly even take himself out of the game.
- belcherbd

Not at all. Now Couture knows that Lucic will come after him regardless of penalties or clean or dirty hits. Message sent. It's about creating space for yourself as much as it is acting tough. Lucic has the means to do both with backing.

Its about respect. Yes too many punches is bad and causes head trauma so do body checks and high sticks. I'm not a full on idiot. I am not saying ignore it either. I am saying it has its place in the game.
- thundachunk

I agree and I don't have a problem with fighting in the game. I can't stand last night's staged fights. At best they are a reaction from last year at worst the are poorly orchestrated WWF.

Had Dorsett and Fernland engaged a bit for a while and had an emotional fight, I wouldn't of had a problem with it.

When guys like Jovo or Ohlund or Iginla or Kesler or Toews or Perry fight they do because they are pissed off at the other player are not going to put up with that poop any more.
That's the hockey I love and while I understand that those players are taking risks fighting, it isn't for my entertainment or some misguided sense of honor.

We also know that a large population of smokers develop cancerous cells in their body, it isn't the only reason cancer occurs but it is one that is not debatable at this point.
In order to help prevent larger levels of cancer don't you think that it is important to take steps to try and prevent people from smoking?
- belcherbd

Nice analogy, and the answer is yes there should steps taken, and I believe the NHL has taken some steps and will continue to take steps.

I noticed that there is not an outright ban on smoking in this country and I don't believe there should be an outright ban of fighting in the NHL.

There are inherent dangers in most occupations, or choices people make everyday. The onus is on the person, which one way they can do this is to educate yourself, and be aware of the risks and what do you need to do to mitigate the risk.

I don't need big brother "bubble wrapping" everything in life, be it smoking, drinking, or hockey fights.