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Mungo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: VANCOUVER, BC
Joined: 03.10.2014

Oct 16 @ 9:04 AM ET
4.375 mil>>>1.9 mil>>>$12/hr
- A_SteamingLombardi



Let's be fair.... Sutter's salary is only 3.3 this year.... It will be 4.375 next year when he's a 40 goal scorer
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 16 @ 9:49 AM ET
CBJ in last place is a head scratcher.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 16 @ 10:11 AM ET
CBJ in last place is a head scratcher.
- VANTEL


Canucks first in the Pacific isn't. ....
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 16 @ 10:25 AM ET
Canucks first in the Pacific isn't. ....
- Pres.cup

Presidents trophies are old news, sorry Pker.

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Oct 16 @ 10:34 AM ET
WD got absolutelY schooled.
Funny how we clearly beat them in every way 1st 2 games but some feel we didnt have the right guys. We had way more talent then calgary did. That was obvious. then hartley did his tweaks like good coaches do n it turns it around. WD had no answer for it. Period.

Go look at footage if u dont think so. Look at where flames entered zone in games 3/4. Where turn overs happened etc. They knew HOW TO BEAT US. Thats the coaches job to figure that out and come up w a plan to execute.

Luckily it seems get badly schooled last year taught him a thing or 2. Lets hope.

- SMBDragon

What the footage tells me is that Ferklund, Engelland and Bollig were allowed to run around like apes and do whatever they wanted under the guise of Hartley's dirty style of coaching (which he is known for). We did not have ONE answer for that. That is a team/personnel issue not being blatantly outcoached every shift.

I will agree that WD was outcoached in some minor capacity but no where near the level you are suggesting. And I do believe he has learned from it. WD is a champion at every level of coaching up to the NHL and you don't get there by being outcoached every playoff series regardless if its AHL, WHL or whatever.

A good example of extreme outcoaching was Vignault getting Schooled by Julien in 2011. We had a championship team that year and AV just couldn't outthink Julien or match his moves. But we were also screwed by the league so it wasn't all on AV but a large portion was.

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Oct 16 @ 10:39 AM ET

- we_are_all_canucks

You make fair points on pretty much all counts.

Thx for the video. You could have done that too when Mutt Lange was polishing/producing tunes for Bryan Adams/Def Leppard and Shania Twain. There was a time when you could not tell the tunes apart from all three artists...lol

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 16 @ 11:06 AM ET
What the footage tells me is that Ferklund, Engelland and Bollig were allowed to run around like apes and do whatever they wanted under the guise of Hartley's dirty style of coaching (which he is known for). We did not have ONE answer for that. That is a team/personnel issue not being blatantly outcoached every shift.

I will agree that WD was outcoached in some minor capacity but no where near the level you are suggesting. And I do believe he has learned from it. WD is a champion at every level of coaching up to the NHL and you don't get there by being outcoached every playoff series regardless if its AHL, WHL or whatever.

A good example of extreme outcoaching was Vignault getting Schooled by Julien in 2011. We had a championship team that year and AV just couldn't outthink Julien or match his moves. But we were also screwed by the league so it wasn't all on AV but a large portion was.

- LordHumungous


I'd say it was more Tim Thomas and a slew of injuries but that's just me.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Oct 16 @ 11:07 AM ET
Presidents trophies are old news, sorry Pker.
- VANTEL

OMFG!
Flagged!
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 16 @ 11:08 AM ET
OMFG!
Flagged!

- Marwood


TSN has already awarded it to the Habs this season.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Oct 16 @ 11:10 AM ET
4.375 mil>>>1.9 mil>>>$12/hr
- A_SteamingLombardi

LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Oct 16 @ 11:14 AM ET
Let's be fair.... Sutter's salary is only 3.3 this year.... It will be 4.375 next year when he's a 40 goal scorer
- Mungo



Let's really be honest....Sutter will be a valuable, contributing member of the team over the next four years in the form of, PP, PK, face-offs & he can move up and down the lineup at center or wing.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Oct 16 @ 11:17 AM ET
I'd say it was more Tim Thomas and a slew of injuries but that's just me.
- golfingsince

many factors but you are correct Thomas and injuries played a big part.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 16 @ 11:18 AM ET
I miss nucker. I disagree with him, but I honestly miss having another informative viewpoint on here.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Oct 16 @ 11:22 AM ET
I miss nucker. I disagree with him, but I honestly miss having another informative viewpoint on here.
- Pres.cup

I don't miss his incessant whining and constant doom & gloom.
He is welcome to continue his hysteria & misery in other teams threads.
Got really tired of his sh!t.
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Oct 16 @ 11:50 AM ET
I'd say it was more Tim Thomas and a slew of injuries but that's just me.
- golfingsince

That and Luongo didn't come to play.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Oct 16 @ 11:51 AM ET
That and Luongo didn't come to play.
- docmorgan

In Boston
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Oct 16 @ 11:52 AM ET
CBJ in last place is a head scratcher.
- VANTEL

If we're looking for a team to dump a vet or 2 they might be it.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Oct 16 @ 11:53 AM ET
That and Luongo didn't come to play.
- docmorgan

Don't even think about blaming that series on lu
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 16 @ 11:53 AM ET
That and Luongo didn't come to play.
- docmorgan


Well he won two shutouts and another game he let in one goal. The team scored 8 in 7 games.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 16 @ 11:53 AM ET
Don't even think about blaming that series on lu
- Bieksa#3


Always the easy thing to do.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Oct 16 @ 11:56 AM ET
I don't miss his incessant whining and constant doom & gloom.
He is welcome to continue his hysteria & misery in other teams threads.
Got really tired of his sh!t.

- Marwood

I like nucker. But it kind of erked me with the I've never seen either guy play but I think my guy is better then your guy because I want him to be.
We all have varying opinions. But at least have an opinion. Don't just look something up and type it out as your opinion.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Oct 16 @ 11:58 AM ET
Well he won two shutouts and another game he let in one goal. The team scored 8 in 7 games.
- golfingsince

Our pp went to sleep. We make Boston pay early for cheap shots and they back off. Simple as that. Did injuries and Ehrhoff play a part in that. Oh sure they did. But pp scores, we qin
.He is getting to be like oiler and leac fans. And even a few on here....
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Oct 16 @ 11:58 AM ET
Did Nucker bug-out again for taking too much slack from the boys?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Oct 16 @ 12:00 PM ET
Any word on whether Baertschi is out and McCann and Virtanen are both in? Apparently Sven was practising as an extra forward yesterday.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Oct 16 @ 12:01 PM ET
Did Nucker bug-out again for taking too much slack from the boys?
- LeftCoaster

I like nucker, but he brought it on himself
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