I'll do the work for you.

Last season PEB and VDV had the lowest GA/60 shorthanded on the team. It was almost half of what Coots/Read had. Stats are actually in favor of VDV helping PEB.... zzzzz
- Mononoke

Let's put it this way: On that particular night, I was watching two bad teams, not just one
- AllInForFlyers

sounds like a recent Monday night football game.....

- Tomahawk

LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!
- ggunky

bump

I'll do the work for you.

Last season PEB and VDV had the lowest GA/60 shorthanded on the team. It was almost half of what Coots/Read had. Stats are actually in favor of VDV helping PEB. VDV had a sizably lower GA/60 then PEB; also, a significantly lower scoring chances against/60 and high-scoring chances/60. Stats would include 3v5 too, of which I believe PEB sees the ice and not VDV. But that's a small amount of the time -- should adjust things slightly, but still shows how good the pairing and VDV was.

This year, Read is #3 in PK time. Coots #4. They're the de facto second unit now 4v5. So, Read is in fact playing a lot still, just to clear that up. He's also been very good so far, maybe the best PKer. Zero high scoring chances against when on ice, 3 for. PEB and VDV have been the worse pair, but it's super early yet.
- Mononoke

When looking at the raw numbers of high scoring chances against, a fair comparison needs to be made. So I'll do that work for you, and note that Bellemare and Vandevelde have played significantly more minutes shorthanded than Read and Couturier has. That is a key part of looking at the numbers, and is incomplete analysis without including that. Your ice time rank is also incorrect. Read is 4th, and Couturier is 6th in icetime per game on the PK among forwards. Not to mention quality of competition competition factor, first unit versus 2nd unit.


Bellemare 15:13
Vandevelde 13:35
Read 8:37
Couturier 7:20

When looking at the raw numbers of high scoring chances against, a fair comparison needs to be made. So I'll do that work for you, and note that Bellemare and Vandevelde have played significantly more minutes shorthanded than Read and Couturier has. That is a key part of looking at the numbers.
- MJL

I take it you never looked at any numbers....so, thank you for that. I just pointed high scoring chances out as a fun fact about Read. That Read and Couturier have combined for 1 HSC against, while getting 3 for. Chill, Vader.

Now as for why they have been the better pair in this limited action, Read and Coots have been absolutely stellar in shot suppression and chance suppression PER 60 MINUTES. Factors out TOI that way. I'd like to see VDV and Bellemare a little less porous. But thank you for ignoring me agreeing with you about how they performed as the best pair last year.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 3m3 minutes ago

WPG Jets director of scouting Mark Dobson is listed on seating chart again in Philly. GM Kevin Cheveldayoff was here with him last week.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 3m3 minutes ago

WPG Jets director of scouting Mark Dobson is listed on seating chart again in Philly. GM Kevin Cheveldayoff was here with him last week.



- Winning

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 3m3 minutes ago

WPG Jets director of scouting Mark Dobson is listed on seating chart again in Philly. GM Kevin Cheveldayoff was here with him last week.



- Winning

There goes Konectny, Morin and Haag

Matt Read is a fine PKer. I just don't know what you have against Vandevelde? He's done a good job for the Flyers as a 4th liner and PKer. I think he's better defensively, better on the PK, and more disciplined than White. I like White also, but I like Vandevelde better.
- MJL

I've already listed why I like White better in my original statement. I think Vandevelde is a borderline NHL player at best.

There goes Konectny, Morin and Haag
- mayorofangrytown

not for a rental

not for a rental
- Winning

That's the likely cost & I say no thanks.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 3m3 minutes ago

WPG Jets director of scouting Mark Dobson is listed on seating chart again in Philly. GM Kevin Cheveldayoff was here with him last week.



- Winning

But they don't need Vinny or MacDonald

That's the likely cost & I say no thanks.
- ob18

If that's the cost, screw Byfuglien, give me Trouba

If that's the cost, screw Byfuglien, give me Trouba
- Jsaquella

Morin, Hagg and Konecny, tough one. Among the D, I think Trouba is clearly the best of the group, but Konecny has potential to be an impact player.

Morin, Hagg and Konecny, tough one. Among the D, I think Trouba is clearly the best of the group, but Konecny has potential to be an impact player.
- BiggE

I didn't say stop with Trouba...

I take it you never looked at any numbers....so, thank you for that. I just pointed high scoring chances out as a fun fact about Read. That Read and Couturier have combined for 1 HSC against, while getting 3 for. Chill, Vader.

Now as for why they have been the better pair in this limited action, Read and Coots have been absolutely stellar in shot suppression and chance suppression PER 60 MINUTES. Factors out TOI that way. I'd like to see VDV and Bellemare a little less porous. But thank you for ignoring me agreeing with you about how they performed as the best pair last year.
- Mononoke

You're making an incorrect assumption that I never look at numbers, I just added some numbers that were left out, that need to be there. I would think someone who looks at numbers would be aware of that. I was just simply returning the favor, and doing some work for you. Certainly when comparing the number of high scoring chances against of players, amount of time spent in that situation is important, to make an accurate comparison. It's also incorrect in stating that I ignored you agreeing with me that they were the best pair last year.

I've already listed why I like White better in my original statement. I think Vandevelde is a borderline NHL player at best.
- SuperSchennBros

I like White also for a few reasons, he's decent on faceoffs, and he provides a physical edge. I think his offensive ability is overrated, he just had a little bit of hot streak last year, as did Vandevelde. I don't expect either player to match those totals this year. Vandevelde is a solid 4th line PK player.

I would have started Mason tomorrow. Seguin and Benn are too good.

You're making an incorrect assumption that I never look at numbers. I was just simply returning the favor and providing some numbers that are important. Certainly when comparing the number of high scoring chances against of players, amount of time spent in that situation is important, to make an accurate comparison. You're also incorrect in stating that I ignored you agreeing with me that they were the best pair last year.
- MJL

You provided incorrect shorthanded TOI numbers and patronizing. Congratulations.

I like White also for a few reasons, he's decent on faceoffs, and he provides a physical edge. I think his offensive ability is overrated, he just had a little bit of hot streak last year, as did Vandevelde. I don't expect either player to match those totals this year. Vandevelde is a solid 4th line PK player.
- MJL

So is White who might...maybe has less to work with. I'd never choose Vandevelde over White. Never.

You provided incorrect shorthanded TOI numbers and patronizing. Congratulations.
- Mononoke

The numbers I provided are directly from NHL.com and are the official stats of the NHL.

There goes Konectny, Morin and Haag
- mayorofangrytown

I will give them Streit straight up

LOL this Byfuglien stuff makes no sense. I'm with you Jsaquella - Trouba and and Burmistrov please.

Morin, Hagg and Konecny, tough one. Among the D, I think Trouba is clearly the best of the group, but Konecny has potential to be an impact player.
- BiggE

Wouldn't say trouba is the best of the group just yet, but I'd say he's getting there and easily will be in the next few seasons.