We should trade Weber to the Hawks for a second while Keith is out
- VANTEL

Good thinking. Throw in Hammer and we'll take another 2nd.

Trade Weber pick up Sanguinetti as a 7 th
- VANTEL

He's in the weber nold. Not very goid

Honest JB trade Weber PU Sanguinetti. Weber is riding the pine so save the cap space and get the draft pick

He's in the weber nold. Not very goid
- Bieksa#3

Doesn't matter how bad you are up in the press box

I've heard a few people say today that things went horribly wrong for Tortorella in Vancouver. That's such horse shlt. It makes it sound like it was just bad luck. It was one of the worse coaching performances there has ever been. I'm shocked that anyone would be stupid enough to give him another chance, but I'll take the second.
- CubanBuffet

I actually don't think hes a terrible coach, I just think he did not understand/suit the Canucks lineup at all. I think he will be mildly successful in CBJ as they are already a scrappy type of team, Dubinsky, Foligno, Saad are more straight line guys he likes. He can damage some players and build up others, they just need to suit his style (which is management's fault for putting everyone in a position to fail, in my opinion)

I actually don't think hes a terrible coach, I just think he did not understand/suit the Canucks lineup at all. I think he will be mildly successful in CBJ as they are already a scrappy type of team, Dubinsky, Foligno, Saad are more straight line guys he likes. He can damage some players and build up others, they just need to suit his style (which is management's fault for putting everyone in a position to fail, in my opinion)
- WhiteLie

Dubinsky wanted out once before under his term. Can't see him being thrilled that he is back

Dubinsky wanted out once before under his term. Can't see him being thrilled that he is back
- VANTEL

He was younger back then, a little maturation and he might see things differently?

I actually don't think hes a terrible coach, I just think he did not understand/suit the Canucks lineup at all. I think he will be mildly successful in CBJ as they are already a scrappy type of team, Dubinsky, Foligno, Saad are more straight line guys he likes. He can damage some players and build up others, they just need to suit his style (which is management's fault for putting everyone in a position to fail, in my opinion)
- WhiteLie

If you don't have talent then he is a good coach. True that.

If you don't have talent then he is a good coach. True that.
- TJTD

Haha after I posted, I was actually thinking he was very Jacques Lemaire-like. Preach defense and scrappy play with no name guys and be successful

But in my perfect fairytale world we could acquire him for Higgins, Sbisa and CBJ's 2nd

edit - OK, I'll throw in Jensen.
- 1970vintage

Torts like Jensen, package him with the 2nd they give(likely a 2018) for their 2016 2nd and a 2017 3rd?

Haha after I posted, I was actually thinking he was very Jacques Lemaire-like. Preach defense and scrappy play with no name guys and be successful
- WhiteLie

Imagine him in Edmonton. That would have been awesome and totally depressing at the same time. 5 number 1's ruined....

Imagine him in Edmonton. That would have been awesome and totally depressing at the same time. 5 number 1's ruined....
- TJTD

JV and a high second is worth the Torts agony
- VANTEL

Torts was like braces or rhinoplasty, kind of an ugly experience but you come out looking great after.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing this morning, rolled over and slept in, very restful.

I've heard a few people say today that things went horribly wrong for Tortorella in Vancouver. That's such horse shlt. It makes it sound like it was just bad luck. It was one of the worse coaching performances there has ever been. I'm shocked that anyone would be stupid enough to give him another chance, but I'll take the second.
- CubanBuffet

This ^^^^

Torts was like braces or rhinoplasty, kind of an ugly experience but you come out looking great after.
- hillbillydeluxe

what were the alternatives? I can't remember - we did lose a year and GMMG lost his job and some of his picks are pretty good now.....not that I like the man with the zztop flesh beard

I actually don't think hes a terrible coach, I just think he did not understand/suit the Canucks lineup at all. I think he will be mildly successful in CBJ as they are already a scrappy type of team, Dubinsky, Foligno, Saad are more straight line guys he likes. He can damage some players and build up others, they just need to suit his style (which is management's fault for putting everyone in a position to fail, in my opinion)
- WhiteLie

He didn't know any of the players because he was too lazy or just not smart enough to do his homework. I believe it was reported that he might have only spoken to Green once about his players and if they deserved call ups or how they were playing.

They should hire Milbury for GM now

I actually don't think hes a terrible coach, I just think he did not understand/suit the Canucks lineup at all. I think he will be mildly successful in CBJ as they are already a scrappy type of team, Dubinsky, Foligno, Saad are more straight line guys he likes. He can damage some players and build up others, they just need to suit his style (which is management's fault for putting everyone in a position to fail, in my opinion)
- WhiteLie

Not that I am defending Torts as his tenure here was pretty disastrous however under Torts at Jan 1 of that year we were in (I think) 3rd place overall. We got HAMMERED by the injury bug in Jan-Feb where at one time we had 8 starters out of the lineup. Again not defending...just sayin....

Not that I am defending Torts as his tenure here was pretty disastrous however under Torts at Jan 1 of that year we were in (I think) 3rd place overall. We got HAMMERED by the injury bug in Jan-Feb where at one time we had 8 starters out of the lineup. Again not defending...just sayin....
- LordHumungous

That was probably his line in the interview

what were the alternatives? I can't remember - we did lose a year and GMMG lost his job and some of his picks are pretty good now.....not that I like the man with the zztop flesh beard
- TJTD

Like or hate GMMG or Torts, but that one year of missing the playoffs has done wonders along with a couple other transactions.

There is something about him, Torts, he is so focused on what he believes, like it is his mission to fix a broken game, a game played the wrong way, it is not hockey if there isn't any stiffness.

Makes me think about how they say some of the best stock brokers are psychopaths and such, crazy = leadership.

He didn't know any of the players because he was too lazy or just not smart enough to do his homework. I believe it was reported that he might have only spoken to Green once about his players and if they deserved call ups or how they were playing.

They should hire Milbury for GM now

- SMP8719

He didnt adapt, which he could have done to save his job, but he was coaching to his strengths and wasnt in a position to succeed. It was wrong from the start to change from skill and puck possession team to tough D and shot blocking. It was a mess from the beginning and he couldve given more effort to change his style to the team but after so long of doing it that way thats hard to expect

He didn't know any of the players because he was too lazy or just not smart enough to do his homework. I believe it was reported that he might have only spoken to Green once about his players and if they deserved call ups or how they were playing.

They should hire Milbury for GM now

- SMP8719

Milbury reminds me of Bobby Clarke and Pat Quinn. I miss Pat Quinn in the league. He could be gruff and outspoken like Burke but still classy to pull it off. Then Bobby Clarke has been sidelined. So now we hear about Shanahan cuz Toronto is the centre of the universe, but where are the respectable personalities that we can enjoy. Advanced stats doesn't breed interesting personalities.

Not that I am defending Torts as his tenure here was pretty disastrous however under Torts at Jan 1 of that year we were in (I think) 3rd place overall. We got HAMMERED by the injury bug in Jan-Feb where at one time we had 8 starters out of the lineup. Again not defending...just sayin....
- LordHumungous

Maybe his coaching, riding his top players a little too much, led to those injuries?

Anyway, I guess with 8 starters out, it was as good a time to tank a bit and get JV. Sometimes you have to fall flat on your face to see the shiny penny in the dirt.

Like or hate GMMG or Torts, but that one year of missing the playoffs has done wonders along with a couple other transactions.

There is something about him, Torts, he is so focused on what he believes, like it is his mission to fix a broken game, a game played the wrong way, it is not hockey if there isn't any stiffness.

Makes me think about how they say some of the best stock brokers are psychopaths and such, crazy = leadership.
- hillbillydeluxe

I actually liked that he stormed the Flames dressing room, for example, but I think he is 100% driven by his own ego so I don't like him. He is just totally unbearable. When he won the cup in Tampa he had serious talent (Lecav, Nikoli Khub, Richards, etc.) and then Anderchuck to carr the message. Anderchuck was the perfect Torts conduit. He could NOT skate, but he was tough as hell and got 30+ goals a game sitting his @ss in front of the net.

EDIT - Anderchuck could NOT skate...

Why doesn't insurance not cover him?
- VANTEL

re: Horton, I think he was actually injured when he signed the contract with CBJ. Not sure if he was still injured after leaving Boston or whatever team he had last played on or if he was okay and injured it while training, before signing the contract.

Anyway, they couldn't get insurance because he was already injured and CBJ still signed him, and he has never played.

Clarkson had to be moved out, and Toronto with their deep pockets, were happy enough to swap problems.

Not sure if it was Davidson that signed Horton either, but that was a pretty crazy move to sign a guy to a long contract without insurance.

Maybe they could have gotten the contract insured once Horton got healthy, but if that isn't the case, it must be one of the worst mistakes an organization has ever made.

I actually liked that he stormed the Flames dressing room, for example, but I think he is 100% driven by his own ego so I don't like him. He is just totally unbearable. When he won the cup in Tampa he had serious talent (Lecav, Nikoli Khub, Richards, etc.) and then Anderchuck to carr the message. Anderchuck was the perfect Torts conduit. He could NOT skate, but he was tough as hell and got 30+ goals a game sitting his @ss in front of the net.

EDIT - Anderchuck could NOT skate...
- TJTD

It really makes you wonder about the elements that makeup a team and if a team actually succeeds because of all these elements or regardless of some of elements that may actually pull the team in a different direction.

There was talk yesterday about Toews, Bergeron and Crosby and it makes you wonder what would have been the result if Crosby or Bergeron were in Chicago instead of Toews?

Torts could be entertaining, but his bullish approach can really wear on some players. It would have been the best time to trade some of the players with ntcs...