AMac for Hartnell. Torts gets a goddamn shotblocker and Hartnell... I don't know what. But ....Hartnell.
- hereticpride

That'd have to be a three-way trade, somehow -- Hextall flipped Hartnell, told him he was done in Philadelphia. That's not going away

he is still under contract with Vancouver and they if they choose too could assign him a job within the organization as he is still an employee no?
- rinaldo

If they chose to assign him to a different spot within the organization it's one thing. But firing a coach and not doing so (which I imagine is the case 99% of the time), should not require compensation. You were forced to fire a coach for one reason or another before his contract was up, you should not benefit from that in any way.

I look at it similarly to buying out a player's contract. In no way should the Flyers get compensation from Edmonton the second they sign Bryz after the Flyers bought him out. The Flyers made a mistake with a bad signing, bought him out, both parties move on unattached to each other outside of the Flyers paying Bryz nearly as long as the Mets are paying Bonilla.

Now I know firing a coach in the middle of his contract and buying out a player's contract are 2 different things legally (even though I view both as terminating a contract while still paying the party), but I don't see them all too differently. Signing a bought out player doesn't require compensation and neither should hiring a fired coach.

The whole team has it out for Russell every time we face him and we're two seasons removed from the first time Rinaldo was thrown out of that game against Dallas. I tip my hat to White. We don't know what's being said or done out there but Gagner, Couturier and White all felt the need to let him know his BS is unacceptable.

Ryan White
- SuperSchennBros

I think White walked right into a dumb penalty last night. Roussel is a punk and wouldn't fight someone that might actually hurt him.

If they chose to assign him to a different spot within the organization it's one thing. But firing a coach and not doing so (which I imagine is the case 99% of the time), should not require compensation. You were forced to fire a coach for one reason or another before his contract was up, you should not benefit from that in any way.

I look at it similarly to buying out a player's contract. In no way should the Flyers get compensation from Edmonton the second they sign Bryz after the Flyers bought him out. The Flyers made a mistake with a bad signing, bought him out, both parties move on unattached to each other outside of the Flyers paying Bryz nearly as long as the Mets are paying Bonilla.

Now I know firing a coach in the middle of his contract and buying out a player's contract are 2 different things legally (even though I view both as terminating a contract while still paying the party), but I don't see them all too differently. Signing a bought out player doesn't require compensation and neither should hiring a fired coach.
- five4fighting10

Totally agree, especially with that first paragraph -- ridiculous. Because they are benefiting by no longer paying that coach

I saw someone on twitter mention that Torts should hire Berube as an Assistant coach.

That would make Hartnell's head explode.
- johndewar

oh my god, please let this happen

EDIT: and then somehow manage to trade VLC to CLB

I think White walked right into a dumb penalty last night. Roussel is a punk and wouldn't fight someone that might actually hurt him.
- funmaster18

he took Roussel to the box with him though, right? That's a good play in my book, get him off the ice so the team can focus.

he took Roussel to the box with him though, right? That's a good play in my book, get him off the ice so the team can focus.
- BulliesPhan87

and took an extra two minutes too. so, no, not a great play, considering the Flyers became shorthanded as a result.

just read that Dubinsky had some real issues with Torts. Even more fun for us to watch.

Richards out, Torts in.

https://twitter.com/Darre...status/656817816377696256
- Feanor

Jeez, he's like the new Mike Keenan.

I think calculation of the salary cap is part of the CBA with the NHLPA.....of which, the coaches (and scouts) are not members.
- johndewar

Right, but requiring player-based compensation for a non-player position seems wrong.

If they chose to assign him to a different spot within the organization it's one thing. But firing a coach and not doing so (which I imagine is the case 99% of the time), should not require compensation. You were forced to fire a coach for one reason or another before his contract was up, you should not benefit from that in any way.

I look at it similarly to buying out a player's contract. In no way should the Flyers get compensation from Edmonton the second they sign Bryz after the Flyers bought him out. The Flyers made a mistake with a bad signing, bought him out, both parties move on unattached to each other outside of the Flyers paying Bryz nearly as long as the Mets are paying Bonilla.

Now I know firing a coach in the middle of his contract and buying out a player's contract are 2 different things legally (even though I view both as terminating a contract while still paying the party), but I don't see them all too differently. Signing a bought out player doesn't require compensation and neither should hiring a fired coach.
- five4fighting10

I take the simplistic approach. He is still employed by the canucks no matter how you look at it.
Bryz was no longer on the team. He had no contract so cant require compensation.

I take the simplistic approach. He is still employed by the canucks no matter how you look at it.
Bryz was no longer on the team. He had no contract so cant require compensation.
- rinaldo

I don't get how he is still employed if he was fired. That's the part I don't get.

and took an extra two minutes too. so, no, not a great play, considering the Flyers became shorthanded as a result.
- funmaster18

oh, well that's less good

Roussel really did his job last night.

of the Flyers paying Bryz nearly as long as the Mets are paying Bonilla.


- five4fighting10

This season is the first since 2000 that the Islanders aren't paying Alexei Yashin.

I don't get how he is still employed if he was fired. That's the part I don't get.
- funmaster18

he still had years remaining on his contract. so they still can employ him if they desired.

now if they worked out a settlement and he got a lump sum and the contract was voided, then no compensation.

I don't get how he is still employed if he was fired. That's the part I don't get.
- funmaster18

he was still getting paid by the canucks

it's still dumb but I see why it happens.

I don't get how he is still employed if he was fired. That's the part I don't get.
- funmaster18

I believe that generally these guys w/ contract term left just get put on paid leave, not actually fired.

I think White walked right into a dumb penalty last night.
- funmaster18

Gee, I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell ya.

I thought Brayden Schenn's ice time last night was bizarre

If you look at the last two games, two games ago Matt Read's ice time was low when he played with Scott Laughton, and last night Schenn's was low when he played with Laughton

And again, as bizarre as it sounds but I give credit when it's due: Neither of those players deserved to have their ice time cut, and Laughton, while young, shouldn't have his ice time that low, either

I am not killing the coach, five games in. And I don't know exactly what metrics he uses to determine good play, and it's clear that his actual checking line is the fourth line. We can all see that from how he deploys them

But this thing with Laughton's linemates is concerning, because I feel this way about Brayden Schenn: I don't love the guy. But it's easy to see why his defenders believe that he doesn't always get the fairest shake, other than favorable zone starts

From the way Read and Schenn started the season, neither of them deserved to have their ice times low in the games that they were low, IMO
- AllInForFlyers

Props to you for your comments here. You've definitely been a little harsh on Schenn at times but I think this a pretty fair, level-headed POV. I'm a supporter of sorts. I'm not ready to say that he's part of the long-term core yet. But he realistically needs a fair chance to show that he can be.

As I said yesterday, I'd rather see him and Gagner with Couts for a couple of games. I'd be ok as well with a Read - Couturier - Schenn line. I'd be ok with trying Schenn at center for a couple of games and giving Laughton a break, especially with the minutes Laughton getting.

It's too early to question if the GM and coach are on the same page. But I really don't know what they're trying to do either.

he still had years remaining on his contract. so they still can employ him if they desired.

now if they worked out a settlement and he got a lump sum and the contract was voided, then no compensation.
- rinaldo

I get how it works, I just think it's stupid to call him fired if he's really not. He's just not the coach anymore. I think the contracts should be structure where if you get fired, you are no longer a part of the org. Just like most other jobs. Another team shouldn't have to pay anything to hire a guy that another team "fired".

he was still getting paid by the canucks

it's still dumb but I see why it happens.
- BulliesPhan87

That's all I am saying. It is dumb. I understand it, but it is dumb.

I get how it works, I just think it's stupid to call him fired if he's really not. He's just not the coach anymore. I think the contracts should be structure where if you get fired, you are no longer a part of the org. Just like most other jobs. Another team shouldn't have to pay anything to hire a guy that another team "fired".
- funmaster18

most other jobs don't have written contracts though I get your point

oh, well that's less good

Roussel really did his job last night.
- BulliesPhan87

Yes and White walked right into it. White was lucky he didn't get an unsportsmanlike penalty as well. Once he saw he got the extra two, he threw a little fit in the box.

most other jobs don't have written contracts though I get your point
- rinaldo

How does it work in football?

I believe that generally these guys w/ contract term left just get put on paid leave, not actually fired.
- Tomahawk

It's all a farce.