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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 2:18 PM ET
Flyers lucky Predators accepted offersheet
Provorov
Sanhiem
Morin

- Winning


All of them have clearly shown to be better than Shea Weber at the NHL level.

Edit: Has they not matched, the Predators likely would have, "in a separate trade,"traded us 1-2 first rounders in exchange for some player package (i.e. Read, B. Schenn, etc.).
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 2:22 PM ET
Girardi = more expensive AMac:

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...ad-nhl-contracts-1.380823
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 23 @ 2:26 PM ET
Girardi actually makes $500,000 more per year.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 2:27 PM ET
Girardi actually makes $500,000 more per year.
- Feanor


Yeah, I hadn't realized that at first. Edited to note so.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 23 @ 2:40 PM ET
Girardi is being used in the same way a Schultz is, and getting very similar results. So the question is, who do you replace those guys with to get better results?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 2:43 PM ET
Girardi is being used in the same way a Schultz is, and getting very similar results. So the question is, who do you replace those guys with to get better results?
- Feanor


Option 1 - Sam "Stick Thrower" Morin
Option 2 - Jesus
Option 3 - Shayne "Mr. +7" Gostisbehere
Option 4 - The other ones
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Oct 23 @ 2:54 PM ET
Flyers lucky Predators accepted offersheet
Provorov
Sanhiem
Morin

- Winning

the PMS defense
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 23 @ 2:55 PM ET
Girardi is being used in the same way a Schultz is, and getting very similar results. So the question is, who do you replace those guys with to get better results?
- Feanor


Better players.

Given that doesn't happen overnight, you identify who can pick up the slack and spread the love around. We already know MDZ is capable of playing adequate (not great) against top competition. That's an improvement. He's probably one of the few capable people on the team. MDZ is a d man who ideally you want sheltered with 4/5 minutes so he can flat dominate in them. We don't have that luxury or Streit would be in the same camp.

Besides MDZ, it's so obvious Medvedev, young as his NHL career is, is capable of a lot more than playing the softest minutes on the team by QoC. He's a top 4 on Russia's national team and he's playing the bottom pair here on this d corps which is probably on par with Cambodia's national team. Look at the stats, use your eyes -- either way, Med is just dominating out there. MDZ - Med should be the top pair or, maybe better, each split to cover top 4 minutes. I know the coach doesn't want to burden him too quickly, but he is the smartest d man on the team. Just watching him, his instincts are unparalleled on this team. He needs to get the reins off soon. Schenn should also never be scratched. With Streit, that should be your top 4, unquestionably, mixed and matched however.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 23 @ 3:02 PM ET
Better players.

Given that doesn't happen overnight, you identify who can pick up the slack and spread the love around. We already know MDZ is capable of playing adequate (not great) against top competition. That's an improvement. He's probably one of the few capable people on the team. MDZ is a d man who ideally you want sheltered with 4/5 minutes so he can flat dominate in them. We don't have that luxury or Streit would be in the same camp.

Besides MDZ, it's so obvious Medvedev, young as his NHL career is, is capable of a lot more than playing the softest minutes on the team by QoC. He's a top 4 on Russia's national team and he's playing the bottom pair here on this d corps which is probably on par with Cambodia's national team. Look at the stats, use your eyes -- either way, Med is just dominating out there. MDZ - Med should be the top pair or, maybe better, each split to cover top 4 minutes. I know the coach doesn't want to burden him too quickly, but he is the smartest d man on the team. Just watching him, his instincts are unparalleled on this team. He needs to get the reins off soon. Schenn should also never be scratched. With Streit, that should be your top 4, unquestionably, mixed and matched however.

- Mononoke


Great post.

Do you see them extending Medvedev, maybe a 2 year deal?
Or trading him for a pick at the TDL?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
Should be a good game gents
- rangerdanger94

5-1 Flyers
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
Better players.

Given that doesn't happen overnight, you identify who can pick up the slack and spread the love around. We already know MDZ is capable of playing adequate (not great) against top competition. That's an improvement. He's probably one of the few capable people on the team. MDZ is a d man who ideally you want sheltered with 4/5 minutes so he can flat dominate in them. We don't have that luxury or Streit would be in the same camp.

Besides MDZ, it's so obvious Medvedev, young as his NHL career is, is capable of a lot more than playing the softest minutes on the team. He's a top 4 on Russia's national team and he's playing the bottom pair here on this d corps which is probably on par with Cambodia's national team. Look at the stats, use your eyes -- either way, Med is just dominating. MDZ - Med should be the top pair or, maybe better, each split to cover top 4 minutes. I know the coach doesn't want to burden him too quickly, but he is the smartest d man on the team. He needs to get the reins off soon.

- Mononoke


We dumped Grossmann and MacDonald, and the team's CF% hasn't changed from last season. Relatively it's actually gotten worse because the 15-16 Flyers are enjoying a significantly better OZS% than the 14-15 version.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...5&sort=CFPCT&sortdir=DESC

So the new theory is if we just dumped Schultz as well the team's overall possession numbers will get better. I don't buy it. There's no one on this team good enough to get 40% OZ starts or lower and be up around 50% CF.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
Better players.

Given that doesn't happen overnight, you identify who can pick up the slack and spread the love around. We already know MDZ is capable of playing adequate (not great) against top competition. That's an improvement. He's probably one of the few capable people on the team. MDZ is a d man who ideally you want sheltered with 4/5 minutes so he can flat dominate in them. We don't have that luxury or Streit would be in the same camp.

Besides MDZ, it's so obvious Medvedev, young as his NHL career is, is capable of a lot more than playing the softest minutes on the team by QoC. He's a top 4 on Russia's national team and he's playing the bottom pair here on this d corps which is probably on par with Cambodia's national team. Look at the stats, use your eyes -- either way, Med is just dominating out there. MDZ - Med should be the top pair or, maybe better, each split to cover top 4 minutes. I know the coach doesn't want to burden him too quickly, but he is the smartest d man on the team. Just watching him, his instincts are unparalleled on this team. He needs to get the reins off soon. Schenn should also never be scratched. With Streit, that should be your top 4, unquestionably, mixed and matched however.

- Mononoke




hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
Should be a good game gents
- rangerdanger94


grease fire.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
Flyers lucky Predators accepted offersheet
Provorov
Sanhiem
Morin

- Winning

You really think they'd be picking as high with Shea Weber in the lineup?
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 23 @ 3:09 PM ET
Great post.

Do you see them extending Medvedev, maybe a 2 year deal?
Or trading him for a pick at the TDL?

- Marc D


He isn't terribly old. He will be 34 next season. We signed a turning 36 year old Streit and he still hasn't shown any signs of diminishing. Medvedev is also a better skater than Streit. Playing in Europe on a larger rink in a less grueling league certainly extends one's shelf life. I think a 2-3 year deal makes all the sense in the world. I wouldn't trade him. Streit is the one more likely to be traded given his age and Ghost replaceable skill set.

I believe someone posted here that Hexy wanted a longer deal but Medvedev wanted to give it a try first. He's moving his family here, learning the language, seems to be adjusting well on the ice, Provorov will probably be here next year -- keep that man! His hockey IQ and skills would make a fantastic veteran to learn from going forward.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:09 PM ET
You really think they'd be picking as high with Shea Weber in the lineup?
- Nucker101


Get out of here with level-headedness and reasoning. We need to keep hating everything.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:10 PM ET
Great post.

Do you see them extending Medvedev, maybe a 2 year deal?
Or trading him for a pick at the TDL?

- Marc D


If his play continues as the season progresses, I'd love to resign him. Would probably wait until around the TDL, but his raise would have to be modest.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:13 PM ET
Girardi = more expensive AMac:

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...ad-nhl-contracts-1.380823

- jmatchett383

I think the difference is that 3 quality NHL coaches have chosen to play Dan Girardi in a top pairing role while AMAC is riding the bus in the minors.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:13 PM ET
He isn't terribly old. He will be 34 next season. We signed a turning 36 year old Streit and he still hasn't shown any signs of diminishing. Medvedev is also a better skater than Streit. Playing in Europe on a larger rink in a less grueling league certainly extends one's shelf life. I think a 2-3 year deal makes all the sense in the world. I wouldn't trade him. Streit is the one more likely to be traded given his age and Ghost replaceable skill set.

I believe someone posted here that Hexy wanted a longer deal but Medvedev wanted to give it a try first. He's moving his family here, learning the language, seems to be adjusting well on the ice, Provorov will probably be here next year -- keep that man! His hockey IQ and skills would make a fantastic veteran to learn from going forward.

- Mononoke

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:13 PM ET
Get out of here with level-headedness and reasoning. We need to keep hating everything.
- jmatchett383

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 23 @ 3:15 PM ET
I think the difference is that 3 quality NHL coaches have chosen to play Dan Girardi in a top pairing role while AMAC is riding the bus in the minors.
- rangerdanger94


Yandle has a better CF% than Girardi so the Rangers should play Yandle on the top pairing and send Giradi to the minors.

/Yost logic
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 3:16 PM ET
Better players.

Given that doesn't happen overnight, you identify who can pick up the slack and spread the love around. We already know MDZ is capable of playing adequate (not great) against top competition. That's an improvement. He's probably one of the few capable people on the team. MDZ is a d man who ideally you want sheltered with 4/5 minutes so he can flat dominate in them. We don't have that luxury or Streit would be in the same camp.

Besides MDZ, it's so obvious Medvedev, young as his NHL career is, is capable of a lot more than playing the softest minutes on the team by QoC. He's a top 4 on Russia's national team and he's playing the bottom pair here on this d corps which is probably on par with Cambodia's national team. Look at the stats, use your eyes -- either way, Med is just dominating out there. MDZ - Med should be the top pair or, maybe better, each split to cover top 4 minutes. I know the coach doesn't want to burden him too quickly, but he is the smartest d man on the team. Just watching him, his instincts are unparalleled on this team. He needs to get the reins off soon. Schenn should also never be scratched. With Streit, that should be your top 4, unquestionably, mixed and matched however.

- Mononoke



That's the only reason that I can think of, why Medvedev isn't playing more. He should be playing at least in the 20 minute range.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 23 @ 3:19 PM ET
5-1 Flyers
- Nucker101

rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:19 PM ET
Yandle has a better CF% than Girardi so the Rangers should play Yandle on the top pairing and send Giradi to the minors.

/Yost logic

- Feanor

The corsi crowd actually thinks the Rangers would be a better team if Dan Boyle took Girardi's minutes and assignments.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 23 @ 3:21 PM ET
If his play continues as the season progresses, I'd love to resign him. Would probably wait until around the TDL, but his raise would have to be modest.
- jmatchett383

His play makes me wish they would poach a few more of these KHL star defenseman.
I'm serious.
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