I'm comfortable with the D the Oil have right now that includes Nurse and Reinhart,this team is not a playoff team right now not matter who you bring (weber etc)if the Oil were to trade for any of those D players your moving players like Nudge,Yak plus etc and there's not need for that right now, let this team with the D they got now improve on their own,if PC is a smart GM I won't see any big trades that would include any of the top 6 cause there's not need for it.
- AlEx_OiL

Why do you keep bringing up playoffs when I keep agreeing and have said the whole time we arent a playoff team? Its not just about bringing in someone to make us better now its also to make us better in the future......also you love our forward group so much that you wish to keep every single one of them thats fine but you do realise at some point we will have to make decisions on them right? We cant keep them all 3-5 years down the road js

I'm almost sure that if the Leaf had a 5-7 record some of this guys here would trade this whole Oil team for the Leaf team because they have two more wins
- AlEx_OiL

solid retort.


youre really proving your worth here

Why do you keep bringing up playoffs when I keep agreeing and have said the whole time we arent a playoff team? Its not just about bringing in someone to make us better now its also to make us better in the future......also you love our forward group so much that you wish to keep every single one of them thats fine but you do realise at some point we will have to make decisions on them right? We cant keep them all 3-5 years down the road js
- RatedR80

they cant grasp the point. they see it through one simple lens.
its as much as they can understand

either you stand pat.
or
u blow it up!!!

the sarcasm is going along way to drive their point home as well....im convinced!!!

dude, its only been 5 years of bottom feeding. don't be so panicky.

blaming the losses on injuries to griffin reinhart et al??

how can I seriously take anything these mongs say seriously?

I think that they see it much like a video game. just keep losing and getting high picks and eventually your ratings will get so high that youll just start winning.

are we seriously arguing that bottom feeding into year 6 of a rebuild is us being too quick to judge!!?
- Ihateallofu

Or maybe you just don't get that those 6 years were a huge result of the coaching and management cluster (frank) that they have had. Now that, that issue has been addressed, you think these new guys mean an instant turn around, based on the past 6 years you have been suffering as a fan. Once again this requires you to have the self awareness to realize that what you are suggesting, is more about what YOU want based on your bias from being a fan, than about having any actual insight about how to fix the team. Although as nothing more than a hockey fan who posts on HB alot, who better to ask and tell about the business of hockey.

Why do you keep bringing up playoffs when I keep agreeing and have said the whole time we arent a playoff team? Its not just about bringing in someone to make us better now its also to make us better in the future......also you love our forward group so much that you wish to keep every single one of them thats fine but you do realise at some point we will have to make decisions on them right? We cant keep them all 3-5 years down the road js
- RatedR80

Tell me which player you want or believe would help this team win instant games because by asking for trades I'm assuming your expecting wins instantly ?

Don't get too excited boys... Novembers schedule is just as bad or worse. If we can manage 10-12 spot in west by January things could really turn around. Schedule gets much easier in middle/latter half of year. I just hope the team doesn't get confidence hosed.
- heh49314

Disagree. November's schedule doesn't start against St Louis and Nashville and only features three games against trap style teams.

Tell me which player you want or believe would help this team win instant games because by asking for trades I'm assuming your expecting wins instantly ?
- AlEx_OiL

Can you not read? im not in win now mode...did I not say for the FUTURE in my post? seriously re read it then we will talk...also I see you had zero answers for the future as far as we cant keep everyone as is

theyre just dudes who are good athletes and worked hard to add to that god given skill.
many are fragile and weak minded as fuk.

wtf are u talking about?
are u seriously under the impression that they all possess some innate mental capacity that everyone else doesn't because of their ability to play hockey?

you seriously haven't ever played a sport at any high level have you? youre seriously under the impression these guys are superhuman in all ways?
holy fuk, youre more out of touch than I even thought
- Ihateallofu

Many are certainly stronger minded having dealt with the pressures of it on a national scale, but hot and cold streaks wouldn't happen if they were able to fully block out those feelings. Same applies to complacency after winning. Similar goes for drug abuse.

Can you not read? im not in win now mode...did I not say for the FUTURE in my post? seriously re read it then we will talk...also I see you had zero answers for the future as far as we cant keep everyone as is
- RatedR80

okay so you don't believe the Oil have the players for the future to improve the areas your concern with?

Or maybe you just don't get that those 6 years were a huge result of the coaching and management cluster (frank) that they have had. Now that, that issue has been addressed, you think these new guys mean an instant turn around, based on the past 6 years you have been suffering as a fan. Once again this requires you to have the self awareness to realize that what you are suggesting, is more about what YOU want based on your bias from being a fan, than about having any actual insight about how to fix the team. Although as nothing more than a hockey fan who posts on HB alot, who better to ask and tell about the business of hockey.
- leonkennedy

instant? its year 6. what im seeing is that it might just be broken. and after 6 years, maybe its time to make some changes.
I have many insights on how to fix the team. whether you like them or not has no value to me. but this doesn't change the fact that ive had them and explained them. in great detail.
and again-it seems as though youre under the impression these people are infallible.
its like u have stars in your eyes. I think you need to realize these are just people. and they make mistakes and have biases like anyone else. tambelini sure did nothing to fix this team. so why is it completely out of the realm of possibility that another gm couldn't also make those mistakes?

meh.....

what you need to realize is that I don't see it like you do. and its funny that youre always going on about how I react and how ridiculous it is. while I never do the same about you. because it doesn't affect me that you wanna deepthroat the organization regardless of the outcomes.
youre entitled to do so

theyre just dudes who are good athletes and worked hard to add to that god given skill.
many are fragile and weak minded as fuk.

wtf are u talking about?
are u seriously under the impression that they all possess some innate mental capacity that everyone else doesn't because of their ability to play hockey?

you seriously haven't ever played a sport at any high level have you? youre seriously under the impression these guys are superhuman in all ways?
holy fuk, youre more out of touch than I even thought
- Ihateallofu

Once again you miss the point based on your personal, narrow minded view of things. I never said they were superhuman, said they weren't as weak as those that go on internet boards to whine, female dog, and complain. Also remember they get paid to do this, and paid very well. That adds a whole other dimension to the equation, compared to your rec sports you played.

Second, equating a mythical figure like "god" to their abilities, as well as saying they are just "good athletes who worked hard" shows you have little understanding of how individuals differ, based on their inherent traits. Although I am sure Sydney Crosby, just worked hard, and it isn't possible that he has better genetics, because you know, ya just have to be a good athlete that works hard to make the show. Do you have any idea how many good athletes their are out there, that worked a lot harder than others that didn't make it?

Again, this is all more about you, and for your sake i hope the Oil start winning again soon.

okay so you don't believe the Oil have the players for the future to improve the areas your concern with?
- AlEx_OiL

If we were 100% healthy and were even 5-5 or whatever I would still try to make a move on the back end...you clearly dont agree and thats fine we will just have to agree to disagree..but suggesting if the Leafs had a 5-7 record we would want that team? thats just crazy talk we have some pieces in place obviously but it doesnt hurt to try and improve no matter what...im also looking at this long term like 3-5 years down the road too not just this season

instant? its year 6. what im seeing is that it might just be broken. and after 6 years, maybe its time to make some changes.
I have many insights on how to fix the team. whether you like them or not has no value to me. but this doesn't change the fact that ive had them and explained them. in great detail.
and again-it seems as though youre under the impression these people are infallible.
its like u have stars in your eyes. I think you need to realize these are just people. and they make mistakes and have biases like anyone else. tambelini sure did nothing to fix this team. so why is it completely out of the realm of possibility that another gm couldn't also make those mistakes?

meh.....
- Ihateallofu

So you don't want to give P.C. more than 6 months on the job? I am also sure you have lots of ideas, but as you point out, this isn't a video game, in the real world of the NHL your ideas may not exactly be a possibility. Of course they aren't infallible, but the new people in place may need more than 10 games to fix what has been the laughing stock of the league for the past 6 seasons. They now have a successful NHL GM, and coach in place. Even if all you want is wins now, it doesn't mean they haven't made improvements, and that this is a different team than what we saw last year, even if their record does not suggest it, thus far.

Once again you miss the point based on your personal, narrow minded view of things. I never said they were superhuman, said they weren't as weak as those that go on internet boards to whine, female dog, and complain. Also remember they get paid to do this, and paid very well. That adds a whole other dimension to the equation, compared to your rec sports you played.

Second, equating a mythical figure like "god" to their abilities, as well as saying they are just "good athletes who worked hard" shows you have little understanding of how individuals differ, based on their inherent traits. Although I am sure Sydney Crosby, just worked hard, and it isn't possible that he has better genetics, because you know, ya just have to be a good athlete that works hard to make the show. Do you have any idea how many good athletes their are out there, that worked a lot harder than others that didn't make it?

Again, this is all more about you, and for your sake i hope the Oil start winning again soon.
- leonkennedy

Wait he just said on his other postthat he knows how to fix the team......can someone please post Bob Nicholson or PC number so he can give his expertise to them so the Oil can win few more games and we can all be happy in la la land

Once again you miss the point based on your personal, narrow minded view of things. I never said they were superhuman, said they weren't as weak as those that go on internet boards to whine, female dog, and complain. Also remember they get paid to do this, and paid very well. That adds a whole other dimension to the equation, compared to your rec sports you played.

Second, equating a mythical figure like "god" to their abilities, as well as saying they are just "good athletes who worked hard" shows you have little understanding of how individuals differ, based on their inherent traits. Although I am sure Sydney Crosby, just worked hard, and it isn't possible that he has better genetics, because you know, ya just have to be a good athlete that works hard to make the show. Do you have any idea how many good athletes their are out there, that worked a lot harder than others that didn't make it?

Again, this is all more about you, and for your sake i hope the Oil start winning again soon.
- leonkennedy

Your problem is that people on the internet who chat on a hockey board would likely succumb to negativity after just a season of losing. Like Alex_Oil earlier, you're setting the bar low. I'm confident that regardless of your mental fortitude, 6 years of failure would've begun to wear at you a while back.

If we were 100% healthy and were even 5-5 or whatever I would still try to make a move on the back end...you clearly dont agree and thats fine we will just have to agree to disagree..but suggesting if the Leafs had a 5-7 record we would want that team? thats just crazy talk we have some pieces in place obviously but it doesnt hurt to try and improve no matter what...im also looking at this long term like 3-5 years down the road too not just this season
- RatedR80

nothing wrong to try improve but who would you trade from the team if you were PC?

Once again you miss the point based on your personal, narrow minded view of things. I never said they were superhuman, said they weren't as weak as those that go on internet boards to whine, female dog, and complain. Also remember they get paid to do this, and paid very well. That adds a whole other dimension to the equation, compared to your rec sports you played.

Second, equating a mythical figure like "god" to their abilities, as well as saying they are just "good athletes who worked hard" shows you have little understanding of how individuals differ, based on their inherent traits. Although I am sure Sydney Crosby, just worked hard, and it isn't possible that he has better genetics, because you know, ya just have to be a good athlete that works hard to make the show. Do you have any idea how many good athletes their are out there, that worked a lot harder than others that didn't make it?

Again, this is all more about you, and for your sake i hope the Oil start winning again soon.
- leonkennedy

Sidney Crosby would not be where he is today without tireless work. again, you misunderstand athletics because you've been unable to participate at a high level. his genetics most certainly helped him be a cut above, but his work and determination went a long way.

and how do you know theyre not weak? the evidence seems so clear that you've never been around sports at a high level. many many many pro athletes piss away great careers because of mental sh1t, bad decision making, low capacity to deal with pressure, loss of confidence etc etc etc etc
are u actually in the dark about this stuff?

anyway--I wont get through to you because youre, well, you.

and no no, I hope for YOUR sake that they start winning cause it seems my reactions really resonate poorly with you and I wouldn't want you feeling the need to comment about my comments.....
oh wait, I don't actually give a fuk

don't b1tch about the team!! this isn't the place!!!


yeah, actually its exactly the place

instant? its year 6. what im seeing is that it might just be broken. and after 6 years, maybe its time to make some changes.
I have many insights on how to fix the team. whether you like them or not has no value to me. but this doesn't change the fact that ive had them and explained them. in great detail.
and again-it seems as though youre under the impression these people are infallible.
its like u have stars in your eyes. I think you need to realize these are just people. and they make mistakes and have biases like anyone else. tambelini sure did nothing to fix this team. so why is it completely out of the realm of possibility that another gm couldn't also make those mistakes?

meh.....

what you need to realize is that I don't see it like you do. and its funny that youre always going on about how I react and how ridiculous it is. while I never do the same about you. because it doesn't affect me that you wanna deepthroat the organization regardless of the outcomes.
youre entitled to do so
- Ihateallofu

Oh you edited. Let me respond.
The fact is you harp on and insult anyone that doesn't see things as you do. If they view things differently, they don't know about hockey, or you can't be bothered to respond. Thing is I am capable of putting on your "pessimistic colored glasses" and seeing things from your angle. Clearly a different viewpoint does affect you as you have resorted to an inference of a homosexual insult.
Here's a fun fact for you. How you react about how a pro sports team does, so many times daily on an internet board, is ridiculous because guess what, you have zero, zilch, notta, nope, none, as in control over it. Not a damn thing you do is gonna change the outcome of the team.

Oh you edited. Let me respond.
The fact is you harp on and insult anyone that doesn't see things as you do. If they view things differently, they don't know about hockey, or you can't be bothered to respond. Thing is I am capable of putting on your "pessimistic colored glasses" and seeing things from your angle. Clearly a different viewpoint does affect you as you have resorted to an inference of a homosexual insult.
Here's a fun fact for you. How you react about how a pro sports team does, so many times daily on an internet board, is ridiculous because guess what, you have zero, zilch, notta, nope, none, as in control over it. Not a damn thing you do is gonna change the outcome of the team.
- leonkennedy

please don't throw stones.
youre widely recognized as the most obtuse and annoying poster on these threads that nitpicks about the dumbest sh1t ever.
so lets just leave the posting styles commentary alone......

and I almost always respond to those who don't agree with me. I just didn't feel the need to respond to you. because your shtick bores me and I don't value your opnion. feel free to take the same approach with me

don't b1tch about the team!! this isn't the place!!!


yeah, actually its exactly the place


- Ihateallofu

Negativity is kinda the hallmark of these boards so I don't get why such an adverse reaction to it has only really popped up since the firing of Eakins. The team's record since them is still something like 19-29-4. I get and see that it's a lot more fun for me to watch as they're in games more since then, but the results and how they came about still indicate the need for a lot of work.

By that same token, they have that same right to respond to it negatively as you have to making the initial comment. We should really just ignore them, but evidently that's outside of our minds' control

Oh you edited. Let me respond.
The fact is you harp on and insult anyone that doesn't see things as you do. If they view things differently, they don't know about hockey, or you can't be bothered to respond. Thing is I am capable of putting on your "pessimistic colored glasses" and seeing things from your angle. Clearly a different viewpoint does affect you as you have resorted to an inference of a homosexual insult.
Here's a fun fact for you. How you react about how a pro sports team does, so many times daily on an internet board, is ridiculous because guess what, you have zero, zilch, notta, nope, none, as in control over it. Not a damn thing you do is gonna change the outcome of the team.
- leonkennedy

But but he said he knows how to fix the team why you killing my dreams now

Seriously people needs to chill enjoy and feel lucky about the team we currently have cause lots of other team's fan's would probably give their nut's,gf,wife for the players this Oil team have

nothing wrong to try improve but who would you trade from the team if you were PC?
- AlEx_OiL

I said many pages back that there isnt a trade to be made out there because no one is obviously dealing this early into the season and I also said cant make a trade for the sake of making a trade...that being said I really believe if a name does pop up in the future you can bet he is going to look into it and yes that might even involve dealing one of our young kids (minus McD of course) he obviously knows its an issue and tried to address it as much as he could during the off season

Negativity is kinda the hallmark of these boards so I don't get why such an adverse reaction to it has only really popped up since the firing of Eakins. The team's record since them is still something like 19-29-4. I get and see that it's a lot more fun for me to watch as they're in games more since then, but the results and how they came about still indicate the need for a lot of work.

By that same token, they have that same right to respond to it negatively as you have to making the initial comment. We should really just ignore them, but evidently that's outside of our minds' control
- MaximumBone

totally agreed about them being in games. this team has taken a step. we're not total doormats.

and it was all good to non stop hate and blame Eakins and mact. and i was never really on that train
but now..patience bro!! its all good!!

but yes, ignoring is probably the best remedy. regardless of my minds weakness, I think I can achieve this as I put zero stock in their thoughts. both hockey and otherwise

Oh you edited. Let me respond.
The fact is you harp on and insult anyone that doesn't see things as you do. If they view things differently, they don't know about hockey, or you can't be bothered to respond. Thing is I am capable of putting on your "pessimistic colored glasses" and seeing things from your angle. Clearly a different viewpoint does affect you as you have resorted to an inference of a homosexual insult.
Here's a fun fact for you. How you react about how a pro sports team does, so many times daily on an internet board, is ridiculous because guess what, you have zero, zilch, notta, nope, none, as in control over it. Not a damn thing you do is gonna change the outcome of the team.
- leonkennedy

No. He harps on those who disagree with him but then are unable to present a clear alternative. The most he does for insulting anyone in a regular argument is suggesting their ideas are silly or stupid. Anyone who has been around here a while (and that's pretty much all of us) should be more than able to discern those aren't personal attacks. He only degrades to insulting when pushed to it by someone who provokes through condescension (yourself), stubbornness, or annoyance.