Sidney Crosby would not be where he is today without tireless work. again, you misunderstand athletics because you've been unable to participate at a high level. his genetics most certainly helped him be a cut above, but his work and determination went a long way.

and how do you know theyre not weak? the evidence seems so clear that you've never been around sports at a high level. many many many pro athletes piss away great careers because of mental sh1t, bad decision making, low capacity to deal with pressure, loss of confidence etc etc etc etc
are u actually in the dark about this stuff?

anyway--I wont get through to you because youre, well, you.

and no no, I hope for YOUR sake that they start winning cause it seems my reactions really resonate poorly with you and I wouldn't want you feeling the need to comment about my comments.....
oh wait, I don't actually give a fuk
- Ihateallofu

Once again I never said anything about them being weak, as well you assume so many things. What was the high level that you played at, that makes you so knowledgeable about the working mind of an NHL player? The statement was that they are simply not as weak minded as one who posts whining, female doging and complaining, and doom and gloom on the intrawebs, day in and day out for years. At least if they did I would assume they wouldn't be in the league very long.

It also appears you misunderstand genetics. I will look for the name of the doctor and his direct quote, but the gist of it is "Sydney Crosby's vestibular system is that of a Ferrari, where as the average person's is that of a domestic car". This in reference to his concussion issues, and parts of his brain in particular. See where I am going here about what separates a pro, from a guy who just can't quite get there? So maybe just assume, that the Pro's on the team, can handle the losing, a little better than you can. Of course they are still human just like the rest of us in many aspects, but unlike us in so many ways as well.

But but he said he knows how to fix the team why you killing my dreams now

Seriously people needs to chill enjoy and feel lucky about the team we currently have cause lots of other team's fan's would probably give their nut's,gf,wife for the players this Oil team have
- AlEx_OiL

Just McD, you can have the rest

Just McD, you can have the rest
- shack67

Well, that's bad luck for you cause he IS the team

No. He harps on those who disagree with him but then are unable to present a clear alternative. The most he does for insulting anyone in a regular argument is suggesting their ideas are silly or stupid.

Anyone who has been around here a while (and that's pretty much all of us) should be more than able to discern those aren't personal attacks. He only degrades to insulting when pushed to it by someone who provokes through condescension (yourself), stubbornness, or annoyance.
- MaximumBone

merci


and I think that youd know as well as anyone.

there are many that disagree with me, but are also able to have constructive debates.

Once again I never said anything about them being weak, as well you assume so many things. What was the high level that you played at, that makes you so knowledgeable about the working mind of an NHL player? The statement was that they are simply not as weak minded as one who posts whining, female doging and complaining, and doom and gloom on the intrawebs, day in and day out for years. At least if they did I would assume they wouldn't be in the league very long.

It also appears you misunderstand genetics. I will look for the name of the doctor and his direct quote, but the gist of it is "Sydney Crosby's vestibular system is that of a Ferrari, where as the average person's is that of a domestic car". This in reference to his concussion issues, and parts of his brain in particular. See where I am going here about what separates a pro, from a guy who just can't quite get there? So maybe just assume, that the Pro's on the team, can handle the losing, a little better than you can. Of course they are still human just like the rest of us in many aspects, but unlike us in so many ways as well.
- leonkennedy

Yet again setting the bar very low.

Well, that's bad luck for you cause he IS the team
- MaximumBone

I said many pages back that there isnt a trade to be made out there because no one is obviously dealing this early into the season and I also said cant make a trade for the sake of making a trade...that being said I really believe if a name does pop up in the future you can bet he is going to look into it and yes that might even involve dealing one of our young kids (minus McD of course) he obviously knows its an issue and tried to address it as much as he could during the off season
- RatedR80

Sure PC will always be looking on ways to improve the team but I don't believe He will make a trade involving any of the top 6 this season as I'm almost sure He wants to see how Reinhart and Nurse would improve the team, IF the Oil are maybe close to a playoff spot maybe He will dangle a prospect or picks but I don't see any big trades,only things I can see PC trying to do is getting Ference,Nikitin,Purcell and Schrivens on trades,but that's all.

Just McD, you can have the rest
- shack67

Once again I never said anything about them being weak, as well you assume so many things. What was the high level that you played at, that makes you so knowledgeable about the working mind of an NHL player? The statement was that they are simply not as weak minded as one who posts whining, female doging and complaining, and doom and gloom on the intrawebs, day in and day out for years. At least if they did I would assume they wouldn't be in the league very long.

It also appears you misunderstand genetics. I will look for the name of the doctor and his direct quote, but the gist of it is "Sydney Crosby's vestibular system is that of a Ferrari, where as the average person's is that of a domestic car". This in reference to his concussion issues, and parts of his brain in particular. See where I am going here about what separates a pro, from a guy who just can't quite get there? So maybe just assume, that the Pro's on the team, can handle the losing, a little better than you can. Of course they are still human just like the rest of us in many aspects, but unlike us in so many ways as well.
- leonkennedy

k.

No. He harps on those who disagree with him but then are unable to present a clear alternative. The most he does for insulting anyone in a regular argument is suggesting their ideas are silly or stupid. Anyone who has been around here a while (and that's pretty much all of us) should be more than able to discern those aren't personal attacks. He only degrades to insulting when pushed to it by someone who provokes through condescension (yourself), stubbornness, or annoyance.
- MaximumBone

No he actually does it quite often simply by someone disagreeing with him. The clear alternative has been stated over, and over, even if you have been unable or unwilling to see it. Can't remember who said it, but it was very true when they said the same posters just like to stroke each other around here. Condescension, stubbornness and annoyance are great descriptions of him as well. Good on ya for seeing that.

No he actually does it quite often simply by someone disagreeing with him. The clear alternative has been stated over, and over, even if you have been unable or unwilling to see it. Can't remember who said it, but it was very true when they said the same posters just like to stroke each other around here. Condescension, stubbornness and annoyance are great descriptions of him as well. Good on ya for seeing that.
- leonkennedy

Sounds like you were describing the Desperate HouseWives show

Yet again setting the bar very low.
- MaximumBone

The bar is low because I hope they are better professionals about their paid profession, and current 3-7 record, than the guy who spews negativity and pessimism? I would think assuming they are like that is setting the bar low. When people talk about a losing culture, and cancers in the dressing room, the fans compounding that sure is a big help.

Sounds like you were describing the Desperate HouseWives show
- AlEx_OiL

Alex I am not even sure why I am arguing about it, I'm a Hawks fan anyways.

Alex I am not even sure why I am arguing about it, I'm a Hawks fan anyways.
- leonkennedy

cause even know your a Hawk fan you can see the super potential of this Oil team even if their record is 3-7

No he actually does it quite often simply by someone disagreeing with him. The clear alternative has been stated over, and over, even if you have been unable or unwilling to see it. Can't remember who said it, but it was very true when they said the same posters just like to stroke each other around here. Condescension, stubbornness and annoyance are great descriptions of him as well. Good on ya for seeing that.
- leonkennedy

Look back three or so pages and watch as he "miraculously functions" completely fine in a debate where he and I disagree. No insults. No condescension. Nothing. Same goes for Rated. Why is that, do you think? Aside from the fact that we likely approach things similarly, we don't have a history (and present tendency) of aiming for reaction>

The latest of thousands of exhibits:

You are being way too optimistic for the folk around here that are ready to slash their wrists, and as such assume that pro hockey players are as mentally weak as they are, and thus "have to win now or it's all over for them".....actually sounds more like it's them that need the win more than the players. Apparently after last season, with the changes that were made, the Oilers record was supposed to be 7-3, not 3-7. Instant fix for the fans that require instant gratification of needs.

Followed by that cocky quartet of emoticons you strategically place at the end of most of your posts that, in case you didn't realize, convey condescension. If you acted on what you preached, you'd realize the way you do things bothers others and you would adjust.

That, however, would be far too convenient.

The bar is low because I hope they are better professionals about their paid profession, and current 3-7 record, than the guy who spews negativity and pessimism? I would think assuming they are like that is setting the bar low. When people talk about a losing culture, and cancers in the dressing room, the fans compounding that sure is a big help.
- leonkennedy

Yes. Like I described in an earlier post, using your average human as the threshold, most would succumb to negativity after 1 year of constantly losing at their favourite thing that they got paid for. Therefore, it's totally fair to suggest that an athlete- despite greater mental fortitude- would show signs of succumbing at the 6 year mark.

On that last point, I can agree. But that's not what he's doing here (unless one of our regulars plays for the Oilers). This is an anonymous internet board where nothing that gets said will leak beyond this site because why would it? He's not compounding the pressure; those who boo them at games or harass them on the streets or in the press do that. Coincidentally also why I hate the press.

Okay time for a movie.....night all and please remember Eakins is gone,MacT is serving coffee,those 6 past seasons are gone so just relax McDavid is real and now Nurse is up things are looking good Go Oilers Go!

I think when the oilers drafted those high flying young guns it was just bad timing. Those guys could score off the rush as good as anyone in the league. But now that the league has changed to a cycle and grinding game they can't seem to adapt. Crosby and Tavares to name a couple changed their games completely, they dump and chase. The last couple of years the leafs would have a good first half with that wide open style but in the second half when the good teams tightened up they couldn't do anything. McDavid is so good he'll adapt to anything but the other guys either have to change their game or be traded. That's what I see from afar and I feel your pain.

- AlEx_OiL

I'm as upset as anyone about our record.
But u act like we cant put together a few 5-2 or 3-1 runs to crawl back to .500. We are missing Ebs, Schultz, Reinhart, Hendricks, and klinkhammer. That's 5 guys who probably make the team out of camp. Take 5 players Out of any team and see
How they do. Everyone expected The oil to finish 8-10 (roughly) and look who they have lost too:
STL (2x)
Nashville
Dallas
Washington
LA
Minnesota

All of these teams are likely playoff teams and we are surprised by the record so far? Don't imagine too many teams have had this tough of a schedule yet

I'm as upset as anyone about our record.
But u act like we cant put together a few 5-2 or 3-1 runs to crawl back to .500. We are missing Ebs, Schultz, Reinhart, Hendricks, and klinkhammer. That's 5 guys who probably make the team out of camp. Take 5 players Out of any team and see
How they do. Everyone expected The oil to finish 8-10 (roughly) and look who they have lost too:
STL (2x)
Nashville
Dallas
Washington
LA
Minnesota

All of these teams are likely playoff teams and we are surprised by the record so far? Don't imagine too many teams have had this tough of a schedule yet
- OilerFan16

thing about that in January or December making those mini streaks aint gonna get us back in a spot where we're in the hunt. not if this continues.
we're putting ourselves in a spot again that we need wins now or we're gonna be out of it by November. again.
what do the stats say? something like a couple more losses and ud have to play like .650 hockey to make the dance.
and even if that was always a longshot, playing for nothing doesn't help us learn how to win etc.
not to mention the danger of nosediving to the bottom again with another streak of losses. again. after 5 years of the same. which I believe is extremely detrimental to these guys. even super duper athletes can be shaken imo.

and its just the way we've lost. blown leads in the 3rd like we've seen these kids do so many times. im concerned that they never learnt how to win in this league and they cant come back from the damage that's been done. at least not as a group.
the dude who is under them impression that hes the only one that sees potential in this group is delusional. and of course badly mistaken as usual. its not about that. its about taking steps forward. tangible ones. we're at a stage where moral victories just aren't enough imo.

as far as the schedule; super tough no doubt. but are there easy games for the oilers? kinda of a soft point, but still, its the nhl, theres no gimmies. even the leafs, blue jackets etc can beat us on any given night.
besides, we're never gonna get better if we cant win those tough games.


the injuries hurt--but theyre part of the game. and losing reinhart and Hendricks really shouldn't be a huge adjustment for us.
agreed on ebs though. tough loss.
but just for argument sake; do you think its more talent and dangling that cost us the game tonight? I don't.
and the same goes for LA. those were late goals to steal the game we all saw coming. because weve seen it a million times before.
I feel like these losses in the last two were very symptomatic of how we just don't measure up. and im concerned this group might never be able to

thing about that in January or December making those mini streaks aint gonna get us back in a spot where we're in the hunt. not if this continues.
we're putting ourselves in a spot again that we need wins now or we're gonna be out of it by November. again.
what do the stats say? something like a couple more losses and ud have to play like .650 hockey to make the dance.
and even if that was always a longshot, playing for nothing doesn't help us learn how to win etc.
not to mention the danger of nosediving to the bottom again with another streak of losses. again. after 5 years of the same. which I believe is extremely detrimental to these guys. even super duper athletes can be shaken imo.

and its just the way we've lost. blown leads in the 3rd like we've seen these kids do so many times. im concerned that they never learnt how to win in this league and they cant come back from the damage that's been done. at least not as a group.
the dude who is under them impression that hes the only one that sees potential in this group is delusional. its not about that. its about taking steps forward. tangible ones. we're at a stage where moral victories just aren't enough imo.

as far as the schedule; super tough no doubt. but are there easy games for the oilers? kinda of a soft point, but still, its the nhl, theres no gimmies. even the leafs, blue jackets etc can beat us on any given night.
besides, we're never gonna get better if we cant win those tough games.


the injuries hurt--but theyre part of the game. and losing reinhart and Hendricks really shouldn't be a huge adjustment for us.
agreed on ebs though. tough loss.
but just for argument sake; do you think its more talent and dangling that cost us the game tonight? I don't.
and the same goes for LA. those were goals we all saw coming. because weve seen it a million times before. which is concerning,
- Ihateallofu

Honestly I wasn't able to watch tonight's game so I can't say much about it. I agree with basically everything. Yes there is no easy wins but it's funny how we have beaten the 3 worst teams we've played but lost to the better ones. They lack the killer Instinct for sure and that's probably a big part of losing for so many years. From what I've watched they are playing way better hockey then previous years. Just need to take that extra step and win some of these 1 goal games

Honestly I wasn't able to watch tonight's game so I can't say much about it. I agree with basically everything. Yes there is no easy wins but it's funny how we have beaten the 3 worst teams we've played but lost to the better ones. They lack the killer Instinct for sure and that's probably a big part of losing for so many years. From what I've watched they are playing way better hockey then previous years. Just need to take that extra step and win some of these 1 goal games
- OilerFan16

I don't disagree that his team is playing better hockey.
we'dve never be in any of those st.loo, Nashville, la or minny games on the past. weve got added scoring depth from connor and very very solid tending.
and while that's encouraging, letting these last two slip away in familiar fashion when we needed wins was tough. as I said, moral victories are for year 2 and 3 imo. not year 6.

as far as the game tonight. you've seen it before. tough forecheck, dmen pinching, long drawn out cycles in our end, pushed us around abit.
but we hung in there against a better team. and Talbot was solid and gave us a chance

im certainly pessimistic by nature concerning the oilers-but it just felt like another loss to a team that knows theyre gonna beat us.
I wasn't at all surprised when LA cashed in on that late PP after we worked so hard to tie it up.
and neither was I surprised that minny stole it with 2 quick ones after we worked so hard to come back and take the lead.

hopefully, theyre able to figure out how to gain those points asap.
or its another season washed way too early.

well yeah. they go hand in hand. that was the point.

kinda like u being a moron-and then posting brain dead sh1t like that.

were you trying to troll a comment that was already self deprecating?
- Ihateallofu

lol, this was great! thanks for the chuckle

suicide hotline must have been ringing off the hook last night, look at all this Debbie downer poop. You guys actually, honestly thought we would be improved out of the gate? Get real. if they're not showing improvement over the course of the year then maybe I'll freak out.

This is exactly what I expected, and what all of you should have expected. This poop takes time. Mclellan and Chirali aren't going to just change this (frank)ing team over the summer.

Relax