Its recent, they've only been putting it in boxscores for a few years. It actually might be more useful for basketball than for hockey.
- Doc_Sarcasm

It's a broad statistic like Corsi. NBA has a poopload of analytics that can be accessed directly from nba.com. They're miles ahead of the NHL in that regard

It's a broad statistic like Corsi. NBA has a poopload of analytics that can accessed directly from nba.com. They're miles ahead of the NHL in that regard
- PhillySportsGuy

Sam Hinkie doesn't believe in +/-
- Mononoke

That's because there are many more numbers that provide better details.

That's because there are many more numbers that provide better details.
- PhillySportsGuy

Blocked shots?

Blocked shots?
- Mononoke

Noel already has 4 tonight I think

Noel already has 4 tonight I think
- PhillySportsGuy

He's a legit defensive stud, the AMac of the NBA

(he actually is the first part)

He'll look great as a Net.
- mayorofangrytown

why do you say such hurtful things

You absolutely said something along these lines. More so the fact that MacDonald is valuable to the team's success moving forward. It has nothing to do with Vinny, it has everything to do with Vinny isn't done. He's likely to play.
- SuperSchennBros

He'll be in the lineup, but he won't be effective.

Not surprising
- PhillySportsGuy

Why is it not suprising?

He'll be in the lineup, but he won't be effective.
- MJL

But he's not done as you suggested

He's gonna play more NHL games than Mac

But he's not done as you suggested

He's gonna play more NHL games than Mac
- SuperSchennBros

When I state he's done, that doesn't mean that he's never going to play an NHL game again, it means that he can no longer be an effective player. You keep bringing up MacDonald and making up statements claiming that I said, as if that is going to wound me or something. That's not going to work. The only reason Lecavalier is still on the team, is that he has a NMC. If he didn't the Flyers would've waived him to the AHL. This is all going to play out, and we'll find out if Lecavalier can still play or not, and so there is no misunderstanding, what I mean by still play, is not just putting on the gear, and stepping out on the ice in a game, it means being an effective player, that is a positive to a team, and brings value and helps a team win, over the long term. In the long term, I believe my opinion on Lecavalier, will turn out to be correct.

Its recent, they've only been putting it in boxscores for a few years. It actually might be more useful for basketball than for hockey.
- Doc_Sarcasm

It definitely is, since there's so many more points scored in a game of basketball than goals scored in a hockey game.

There's nothing wrong w/ the idea of +/- in hockey... there just aren't enough goals scored to build a quality sample.

It definitely is, since there's so many more points scored in a game of basketball than goals scored in a hockey game.

There's nothing wrong w/ the idea of +/- in hockey... there just aren't enough goals scored to build a quality sample.
- Tomahawk

+/- isn't the bad stat it's made out to be in Hockey. What made it bad is how it was used to state this player is a good or bad defensive player, instead of simply using it for what it says. That a + player is on the ice for more goals for than against, and a - player vice versa. That's all. Despite all the stats that measure something else, goals is what is most important, and what wins and loses games.

I might be late, but Carchidi had the D pairs at practice as: Schultz-Medvedev, MDZ-Streit and Manning-Gudas.

Steve Mason is gonna die of rubber poisoning when that last pair is on the ice

I might be late, but Carchidi had the D pairs at practice as: Schultz-Medvedev, MDZ-Streit and Manning-Gudas.

Steve Mason is gonna die of rubber poisoning when that last pair is on the ice
- Jsaquella

Glad he realized it was Streit holding Schultz back. Just repeat after me:

Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Morin, Haag; Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Morin, Haag; Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Morin, Haag; Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Morin, Haag.......

Glad he realized it was Streit holding Schultz back. Just repeat after me:

Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Morin, Haag; Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Morin, Haag; Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Morin, Haag; Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Morin, Haag.......
- Mononoke

First step for Haag is to find a way to stay healthy

Every time I try and think about what the ideal pairings would be for the Flyers, I can't come up with it. No matter what combination is put together there will be a perceived issue. I think that's just how it is. I do like the Schultz/Medvedev pairing if it happens. The problem is that I don't like the others.

boss just got fired
and his boss
and the head of IT
and maybe another at the VP level.
I have consumed 4 choice beverages in 45 minutes.

leveraging with the special advisor to the pres via text and email

it's been an interesting day.

boss just got fired
and his boss
and the head of IT
and maybe another at the VP level.
I have consumed 4 choice beverages in 45 minutes.

leveraging with the special advisor to the pres via text and email

it's been an interesting day.
- nails

Every time I try and think about what the ideal pairings would be for the Flyers, I can't come up with it. No matter what combination is put together there will be a perceived issue. I think that's just how it is. I do like the Schultz/Medvedev pairing if it happens. The problem is that I don't like the others.
- MJL

so doesn't that mean that, ultimately, a change of personnel is in order?

and if that was raised earlier, my apologies. backreading isn't really where I am at right now.

- ob18

Thing is, I don't think it is over.
Pres is giving a state of the union tomorrow.
I think there are at least 3 others that are all but our the door right now.
now to thanksgiving will be insanely interesting

Schultz/Med will have the same problem as Schultz/Streit. I will leave you to determine the constant. What's interesting is Schultz/Streit sees the hardest competition on the team...Med the easiest. Streit/MDZ I have faith in. In fact I wonder if THAT is the top pair now. It has to be, right? Manning/Gudas. Holy hell, (frank) no. If MDZ and Medvedev can't even carry Manning, and MDZ was already carrying Gudas to a certain extent...this will be fun!

There are things I like about Hakstol and there are things I really dislike. I'm seeing signs of Berube in him. With this said, I don't view Hakstol as the game changer Hitchcock or Laviolette from the moment they got here.
- SuperSchennBros

8 games into his pro career amd he's berube? really?!

so doesn't that mean that, ultimately, a change of personnel is in order?

and if that was raised earlier, my apologies. backreading isn't really where I am at right now.
- nails

That's been the case since day 1. We've always known they need a true top pairing, and that they don't have one. Imagine if this team had a true #1 defenseman that can play 25 minutes a night. Solve a lot of problems.

8 games into his pro career amd he's berube? really?!
- JoeRussomanno

You should just be thankful he was given 8 games. It might even be too large a case study tbh