I think he was being a bit facetious. But the Flyers did start out 2-7-1 in Lavi's first 10 games here.
- jmatchett383

Which to me makes Laviolette's climb back even more impressive.

How short sited can one person be? Your talking about game one, in a season where we not only dug ourselves a huge hole under John Stevens bit manage to climb out of it and get ti a Stanley Cup Final. Yeah but let's focus on the first game with little time to install a brand new system...
- SuperSchennBros

Thats my whole point fella. Youre harping on Hakstol, and we're 3 weeks into the season.

It was as lucky as lucky gets. Sorry you feel otherwise.

/hugs
- johndewar

I think the majority would feel different if it were a different goalie. In fact I'm positive of this.

I was troubled by Girgensons (sp) comments that they studied films of Mason's 5 hole, that's why he elected to shoot.

Which to me makes Laviolette's climb back even more impressive.
- SuperSchennBros

It sure does. I don't think going 2-7-1 to starts constitutes him being a "game changer from the moment he got here."

I think the majority would feel different if it were a different goalie. In fact I'm positive of this.
- SuperSchennBros

Perhaps if that goal was let in for the winning Stanley Cup goal in OT, the majority might feel differently.

It sure does. I don't think going 2-7-1 to starts constitutes him being a "game changer from the moment he got here."
- jmatchett383

They also had to win a shootout in the last game just to get into the playoffs.

I was troubled by Girgensons (sp) comments that they studied films of Mason's 5 hole, that's why he elected to shoot.
- missingmike

Every goalie has a weakness that teams try and exploit.

Games like that are the ones that will bite them in the ass later .

Thats my whole point fella. Youre harping on Hakstol, and we're 3 weeks into the season.
- jak521

So I wasn't responding to criticism made by Feanor of our new Coach? I haven't seen basic mistakes like having Manning and Del Zotto paired against Benn and Seguin, although the pair allowing two goals Hakstol continued to put the pair out there against possibly the best top line in the league? I haven't seen Hakstol continue dressing Manning over Luke Schenn who's only real bad game was last night but still equaled to two assists? So I'm not seeing Raffl on the first PP over and over without adjustments when it's clearly not working?

How much time does a guy need to make such small adjustments? I have concerns and I have the right to voice them and I am.

Games like that are the ones that will bite them in the ass later .
- Pelle31Forever

Getting on dude's asses is Giroux's territory.

It sure does. I don't think going 2-7-1 to starts constitutes him being a "game changer from the moment he got here."
- jmatchett383

What I liked about Laviolette in terms of being a game changer was his ability to use his time out and he was talking. Constantly Coaching. If you remember the Flyers had trouble with Laviolette's system. When I say instant, it's safe to say your taking the term too literal. I don't think there is a Coach in the world who can change the habits of a team in a day. Positive results to that season happened and they happened quick enough for the team to climb into a playoff position.

A game against a scrappy, annoying Devils team will be another big test.

I was troubled by Girgensons (sp) comments that they studied films of Mason's 5 hole, that's why he elected to shoot.
- missingmike

Maybe the Sabres have had poor records the past few seasons because they're overly concerned about watching extensive video of what's between men's legs.

What I liked about Laviolette in terms of being a game changer was his ability to use his time out and he was talking. Constantly Coaching. If you remember the Flyers went had trouble with Laviolette's system. When I say instant, it's safe to say your taking the term too literal. I don't think there is a Coach in the world who can change the habits of a team in a day. Positive results to that season happened and they happened quick enough for the team to climb into a playoff position.
- SuperSchennBros

So how many games do we give Hakstal until we see the results and changes? It took Laviolette 10 games with a far more talented roster (especially on the back end) to get the team going. Can we at least give Hakstal that many? Otherwise, it would seem unfair, right? Going 4-2-2 over 8 games for a rookie head coach with bottom-5 league defense makes me think he's not the awful coach you make him out to be.

HHOF or not, Jeanerette is terrible. Almost as much of a Homer as Edwards and his voice in general is just painful. It's like a turkey with a mouth full of marbles imitating a dying cat.
- jmatchett383

I can't stand listening to him personally. When I saw the Centre ice feed was Buffalo I cringed..

So how many games do we give Hakstal until we see the results and changes? It took Laviolette 10 games with a far more talented roster (especially on the back end) to get the team going. Can we at least give Hakstal that many? Otherwise, it would seem unfair, right? Going 4-2-2 over 8 games for a rookie head coach with bottom-5 league defense makes me think he's not the awful coach you make him out to be.
- jmatchett383

Meh , he is terrible, he kept using Manning and Del Zotto against Benn and Seguin.

I like many things he has done so far including NOT playing roulette with the lines over and over, giving them time over an extended period to jell, not only with the new system but with each other. Except for the fact he used Manning and Del Zotto against Benn and Seguin. Did you know he did that?! Used Manning and Del Zotto against Benn and Seguin?

So how many games do we give Hakstal until we see the results and changes? It took Laviolette 10 games with a far more talented roster (especially on the back end) to get the team going. Can we at least give Hakstal that many? Otherwise, it would seem unfair, right? Going 4-2-2 over 8 games for a rookie head coach with bottom-5 league defense makes me think he's not the awful coach you make him out to be.
- jmatchett383

What I think is funny here is, how people think there shouldn't be criticism of a new Coach. I've explained what I haven't like so far while commenting on a post that showed some of my same concerns. Dave Hakstol won't get fired based on my word and I like how he has them playing as one unit for the most part but there are adjustments he can make in game and not wait 10 games in doing so.

I just think it's one of those seeing eye goals that found a hole. If a shot is taken from the same spot again on the back hand, it isn't going in 99 out of 100 times.
- MJL

I also don't think that's why we lost. We were getting outplayed for long stretches hemmed into our own end by a supposed bottom feeder team..

What I think is funny here is, how people think there shouldn't be criticism of a new Coach. I've explained what I haven't like so far while commenting on a post that showed some of my same concerns. Dave Hakstol won't get fired based on my word and I like how he has them playing as one unit for the most part but there are adjustments he can make in game and not wait 10 games in doing so.
- SuperSchennBros

Context.....no one here thinks the coach is above criticism...you on the other hand....


Did you know he had Manning and Del Zotto out against Benn and Seguin?

(though I admit that was a head scratcher)

So how many games do we give Hakstal until we see the results and changes? It took Laviolette 10 games with a far more talented roster (especially on the back end) to get the team going. Can we at least give Hakstal that many? Otherwise, it would seem unfair, right? Going 4-2-2 over 8 games for a rookie head coach with bottom-5 league defense makes me think he's not the awful coach you make him out to be.
- jmatchett383

The most impressive thing is that aside from one game.. We have been completely competitive. Yes, we are 4-2-2 against pretty good competition. Last night wasnt pretty, but again we hung in there, and damn near eeked out a win.

Meh , he is terrible, he kept using Manning and Del Zotto against Benn and Seguin.

I like many things he has done so far including NOT playing roulette with the lines over and over, giving them time over an extended period to jell, not only with the new system but with each other. Except for the fact he used Manning and Del Zotto against Benn and Seguin. Did you know he did that?! Used Manning and Del Zotto against Benn and Seguin?
- MBFlyerfan

Exactly my point. The Dallas game is still fresh in my mind.

You also made a great point about line combos. Even when Couturier was healthy, Couturier and Laughton's wingers continued to change. At this point we were 6 games in.

The most impressive thing is that aside from one game.. We have been completely competitive. Yes, we are 4-2-2 against pretty good competition. Last night wasnt pretty, but again we hung in there, and damn near eeked out a win.
- jak521

Actually against Dallas, in Florida and last night were all bad games.

What I liked about Laviolette in terms of being a game changer was his ability to use his time out and he was talking. Constantly Coaching. If you remember the Flyers had trouble with Laviolette's system. When I say instant, it's safe to say your taking the term too literal. I don't think there is a Coach in the world who can change the habits of a team in a day. Positive results to that season happened and they happened quick enough for the team to climb into a playoff position.
- SuperSchennBros

8 games in to his NHL coaching career, Hakstol has the team in a playoff position.

Exactly my point. The Dallas game is still fresh in my mind.

You also made a great point about line combos. Even when Couturier was healthy, Couturier and Laughton's wingers continued to change. At this point we were 6 games in.
- SuperSchennBros

Speaking of lines, I'm guessing if Coots is ready to go, Umberger goes the the 4th line out of necessity?