Torts was under-appreciated by some people...

Torts was touted as a mad genius the first part of the year... up until around the holiday break...
- kaptaan

And over valued by some people

Not if you're Nucker
- A_SteamingLombardi

Is that Gillis or his scouts that should get the recognition?
I get the sense that JB is much more involved in the scouting side of things, I feel like Gillis' attention was focused on free-agent signings and reclamation projects.
- dbot

I don't know who should get the recognition, I just don't think it was as bad as some claimed.

He should just make a new account, maybe phucker101 to bring in that Philly love.
- 1970vintage

Gillis sucked at everything except finding good college free agents (like Tanev and Hutton) and I believe most of his actual scouting was in that direction. He left everything else to Delorme and we know how horrible that guy is.
- DariusKnight

New management was clear that our scouts didnt seem to be the problem.. the problem was scouting assignments. There was a philosophy change immediately.

Some changes have been made in personnel,,, but clearly Benning is handling this department much better than Eye Bags ever did.

... it's still bad.

Horvat was 1 of two top 10 picks that turned out to know how to play hockey. Thats horrible. Hodgson is almost like drafting Wellwood in the 1st round... except Wellwood is a better defensive player.

Gaunce is a #1 pick and he's still fighting to get into the league and as welcoming as I am for him... he had to go through a lot of changes to become something we can use... a salvaged 1st rounder at best. A project player that seem to be plenty.

Jensen... another 1st rounder. He is a long shot to make the NHL after all these years of development.

Shcroeder...BUST

Shink is coming around finally. The jury is far from decided on him. Same draft as Horvat... This is the only 1st round in Gillis' entire stay here that can be considered a success. The season in which piece by piece, Gillis was losing managing control of the team I may add.

If you cant get top 23 roster spot players out of half of your 1st rounders... you are a complete fail.

So far it's one very promising player out of the 1st round for Gillis and a couple of depth players in the AHL.

- boonerbuck

Do you consider the statement

"If you cant get top 23 roster spot players out of half of your 1st rounders... you are a complete fail."

true for all teams or only the Canucks?

Again I'm certainly not pumping Gillis's tires but I do think he or at least his team got a really bad rap for drafting when it was average considering where they picked.

So far of those 6 1st round picks, Hodgson and Horvat have made that top 23.
Meaning that only 1 of Shink, Gaunce, Jensen or Schroeder will become an everyday NHLer to meet your requirement of success.

If you look around the league I'm sure you could find many other teams that only have 2 1st round picks between 2008 and 2013 in the NHL.

Do you consider the statement

"If you cant get top 23 roster spot players out of half of your 1st rounders... you are a complete fail."

true for all teams or only the Canucks?

Again I'm certainly not pumping Gillis's tires but I do think he or at least his team got a really bad rap for drafting when it was average considering where they picked.

So far of those 6 1st round picks, Hodgson and Horvat have made that top 23.
Meaning that only 1 of Shink, Gaunce, Jensen or Schroeder will become an everyday NHLer to meet your requirement of success.

If you look around the league I'm sure you could find many other teams that only have 2 1st round picks between 2008 and 2013 in the NHL.
- belcherbd

Only the Canucks? What kind of question is that?

Have you actually considered my statement?

I said complete fail... you are the one implying that one more depth player out of the 1st round would make it a success. I don't feel that way. I didnt say it. I didnt imply it. You just made that up.

You don't even have to go to the draft to acquire depth players.... let alone cross your fingers and hope you can find one in the 1st round.

Hodgson has entered his last chance btw... and Gillis' traded him for a "very rare and special player" who was a higher 1st rounder also... Cocaine Kassian...

... not to mention how he traded away a 1st round pick and a 1st rounder ready to score over 30 goals in his rookie season for Ballard. Gillis not only had poor success in the 1st round... he made really poor trades with his 1st round picks/picked 1st assets.

I named Gillis the Generation Killer for a reason.

Only the Canucks? What kind of question is that?

Have you actually considered my statement?

I said complete fail... you are the one implying that one more depth player out of the 1st round would make it a success. I don't feel that way. I didnt say it. I didnt imply it. You just made that up.

You don't even have to go to the draft to acquire depth players.... let alone cross your fingers and hope you can find one in the 1st round.

Hodgson has entered his last chance btw... and Gillis' traded him for a "very rare and special player" who was a higher 1st rounder also... Cocaine Kassian...
- boonerbuck

I understand that Hodgson is on his last chance and that Schroeder is an even further chance. But suggesting that Shink, Gaunce and Jensen will be at best depth players is a little short sighted.

You are the one who said one of the 23 roster players, I assume a depth player is outside of those regular 23.

If you consider a depth player to be bottom 6, bottom pairing or backup goalie, then I agree the Canucks have failed but then I think they wouldn't be the only team if judged that way that would be considered a failure.

Did the Canucks draft well over those years, no, were they in the bottom half over those years, most likely. But considering where they drafted and now having some of these players develop a bit later is making those draft years look a little better. That is all I'm saying.

... not to mention how he traded away a 1st round pick and a 1st rounder ready to score over 30 goals in his rookie season for Ballard. Gillis not only had poor success in the 1st round... he made really poor trades with his 1st round picks/picked 1st assets.

I named Gillis the Generation Killer for a reason.
- boonerbuck

He really did undervalued first round picks. He was going for a cup and nearly delivered, so i cut him a little slack but I think the league knew he wasnt tight to hold onto them

Someone needs to stop Beatle John from posting videos

I understand that Hodgson is on his last chance and that Schroeder is an even further chance. But suggesting that Shink, Gaunce and Jensen will be at best depth players is a little short sighted.

You are the one who said one of the 23 roster players, I assume a depth player is outside of those regular 23.

If you consider a depth player to be bottom 6, bottom pairing or backup goalie, then I agree the Canucks have failed but then I think they wouldn't be the only team if judged that way that would be considered a failure.

Did the Canucks draft well over those years, no, were they in the bottom half over those years, most likely. But considering where they drafted and now having some of these players develop a bit later is making those draft years look a little better. That is all I'm saying.
- belcherbd

Jensen, imo, is worse off than shroeder. Shroeder will end up playing more nhl games. Jensen is having trouble sticking to an AHL roster full time. Most likely won't be offered a contract and will be in europe next year. Again imo.

Just gotta luv JB's hands on scouting missions.
Prolly his scouts check out players previously either last season or recent season for him to get 1st hand looks.
Idk any GM who can bother putting in that much effort.
The man clearly luvs that aspect.

Just gotta luv JB's hands on scouting missions.
Prolly his scouts check out players previously either last season or recent season for him to get 1st hand looks.
Idk any GM who can bother putting in that much effort.
The man clearly luvs that aspect.
- Nighthawk

Its really got to be a dream job. Obviously some days/weeks/months would be tiring travelling to all these places, but you get paid (well) to watch hockey games

I understand that Hodgson is on his last chance and that Schroeder is an even further chance. But suggesting that Shink, Gaunce and Jensen will be at best depth players is a little short sighted.

You are the one who said one of the 23 roster players, I assume a depth player is outside of those regular 23.

If you consider a depth player to be bottom 6, bottom pairing or backup goalie, then I agree the Canucks have failed but then I think they wouldn't be the only team if judged that way that would be considered a failure.

Did the Canucks draft well over those years, no, were they in the bottom half over those years, most likely. But considering where they drafted and now having some of these players develop a bit later is making those draft years look a little better. That is all I'm saying.
- belcherbd

OK, I have to clear more stuff up that you inserted in my posts.

I never claimed Shink was going to be at best a depth player. I separated him from the group because he is coming around and l pointed that out. You made that up.

Jensen is trending so far down the depth chart... he is looking like depth at the best right now...so yes I do think that about him. He will be heading Europe soon though. Gaunce is looking bottom six... we are waiting. He will be NHL I think but will he be more than just 4rth liner? We will see. I won't give him a low ceiling but like I said... look how much work went into making him usable... not typically the kind of project you want to make with a 1st round pick.

I consider depth players to be in the top 23...but low in the top 23. You assumed wrong.

In 6 seasons... Gillis had two top 10 picks and a season where he picked 2 players in the first round. Just remember that when we are trying our hardest to see more than Horvat.

I wish you could just address what in people's posts instead of putting so much work into rewriting it. Fosco?

I heard on the radio yesterday Rodin is burning up the SEL. He is still Canucks property

I heard on the radio yesterday Rodin is burning up the SEL. He is still Canucks property
- VANTEL

CA wrote a whole post about, which was based on EF's 30 thoughts, the radio guys just pirated the info.

Don't expect much, there's not really any room for Rodin on the Canucks lineup with Beegee and Shinkaruk as smurf wingers already ahead of him. Not likely anyone is going to give up much in the way of draft picks for his rights as an RFA, maybe they get a B or C prospect in return or a 5th rounder or something.

EDIT - and I forgot Vey, who could also double as a smurf winger...

So..Babcock wants bigger nets because "its impossible to score"
Tell that to Jonathan Bernier

I heard on the radio yesterday Rodin is burning up the SEL. He is still Canucks property
- VANTEL

Future line mate of Jensen.

So..Babcock wants bigger nets because "its impossible to score"
Tell that to Jonathan Bernier
- Bieksa#3

I thought the Leafs net was already bigger than the rest of the league?

I thought the Leafs net was already bigger than the rest of the league?

- boonerbuck

They do land the biggest fish

Gillis sucked at everything except finding good college free agents (like Tanev and Hutton) and I believe most of his actual scouting was in that direction. He left everything else to Delorme and we know how horrible that guy is.
- DariusKnight

Hutton was drafted by Gillis.



He did sign Eddie Lack

And vantals boy Kellan Lain.

But yes, the Tanev signing was like a first rounder

I thought the Leafs net was already bigger than the rest of the league?

- boonerbuck

... it's still bad.

Horvat was 1 of two top 10 picks that turned out to know how to play hockey. Thats horrible. Hodgson is almost like drafting Wellwood in the 1st round... except Wellwood is a better defensive player.

Gaunce is a #1 pick and he's still fighting to get into the league and as welcoming as I am for him... he had to go through a lot of changes to become something we can use... a salvaged 1st rounder at best. A project player that seem to be plenty.

Jensen... another 1st rounder. He is a long shot to make the NHL after all these years of development.

Shcroeder...BUST

Shink is coming around finally. The jury is far from decided on him. Same draft as Horvat... This is the only 1st round in Gillis' entire stay here that can be considered a success. The season in which piece by piece, Gillis was losing managing control of the team I may add.

If you cant get top 23 roster spot players out of half of your 1st rounders... you are a complete fail.

So far it's one very promising player out of the 1st round for Gillis and a couple of depth players in the AHL.

- boonerbuck

Still don't like the Gaunce pick. Could have had Henrik Samuellson ffs.

So..Babcock wants bigger nets because "its impossible to score"
Tell that to Jonathan Bernier
- Bieksa#3

The Toronto Syndrome.