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Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 6 @ 6:10 PM ET
When the window opens for real, I want this team the best possible chance to win it, with no lingering impediments. Not 98% team strength, 100%. Margin between winning and losing is so tiny.
- Tomahawk


I don't like having to play him when it's clear no one thinks a darn of his game anymore. I don't like him taking a roster spot that could go to someone else while affecting call ups. I just see this as a situation in need of an ending pronto. This isn't buying out AMac which would be a bad cap situation. This is a small potatoes thing. All the ELCs will help too.

But what if he decides not to retire his last year? That's on the table, no matter what he intended when his contract was all new and shiny and him ready for a fresh start. You'd rather $4.5 mil on the cap for two years?
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 6 @ 6:13 PM ET
If you want it fixed ASAP, then not buying him out is the way to go.
- MJL


I understand the cap concerns, but I said the situation I would like cleared up. I don't care if he's making a tiny amount on the payroll. I would like to see him, effectively, no longer a member of the team.
Tomahawk
Location: No More Tortellini
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 6 @ 6:15 PM ET
I don't like having to play him when it's clear no one thinks a darn of his game anymore. I don't like him taking a roster spot that could go to someone else while affecting call ups. I just see this as a situation in need of an ending pronto. This isn't buying out AMac which would be a bad cap situation. This is a small potatoes thing. All the ELCs will help too.

But what if he decides not to retire his last year? That's on the table, no matter what he intended when his contract was all new and shiny and him ready for a fresh start. You'd rather $4.5 mil on the cap for two years?

- Mononoke


I'd play him both years if it gets us better draft picks.

(caveat: not on a line w/ any kids I cared about, ofc)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 6:15 PM ET
I don't like having to play him when it's clear no one thinks a darn of his game anymore. I don't like him taking a roster spot that could go to someone else while affecting call ups. I just see this as a situation in need of an ending pronto. This isn't buying out AMac which would be a bad cap situation. This is a small potatoes thing. All the ELCs will help too.

But what if he decides not to retire his last year? That's on the table, no matter what he intended when his contract was all new and shiny and him ready for a fresh start. You'd rather $4.5 mil on the cap for two years?

- Mononoke


Then you reassess the situation, and if needed, buy him out in the 16/17 off season. Which will have him on the cap one less year, than buying him out in the 15/16 off season, which is still a better situation.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 6:17 PM ET
I understand the cap concerns, but I said the situation I would like cleared up. I don't care if he's making a tiny amount on the payroll. I would like to see him, effectively, no longer a member of the team.
- Mononoke


I'd like to see him effectively no longer a part of the team, with no cap penalty. The long term future situation is infinitely more important, than the immediate future, and any concerns about a roster space, or potential morale issues.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 6 @ 6:18 PM ET
I'll play him both years if it gets us better draft picks.
- Tomahawk




Tomahawk
Location: No More Tortellini
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 6 @ 6:23 PM ET

- Mononoke


Delicious!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 6 @ 6:30 PM ET
If a player is not a good player, a team has no reason why they should have to play him.
- MJL

If you are under contract, players are hurt and we have a willing body on the roster available, I believe he should play.

I think it's funny your trying to debate/pick a fight over something I believe. For example, I believe Chris Pronger's deal should have been terminated under a number of different scenarios. When he was hurt, he was (Actually) unable to physically play hockey due to injury. On top of this, Pronger is now currently working for the league and not the Arizona Coyotes.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 6:32 PM ET
If you are under contract, players are hurt and we have a willing body on the roster available, I believe he should play.


- SuperSchennBros


If Lecavalier didn't have a NMC, or if NHL contracts weren't guaranteed, would Lecavalier be on the roster?

If the Flyers were able to trade Lecavalier, without taking it on the chin, in a reasonable deal, would he still be on the roster?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 6 @ 6:36 PM ET
If Lecavalier didn't have a NMC, or if NHL contracts weren't guaranteed, would Lecavalier be on the roster?

If the Flyers were able to trade Lecavalier, without taking it on the chin, in a reasonable deal, would he still be on the roster?

- MJL

Yes but he is on the roster, isn't he?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 6:38 PM ET
Yes but he is on the roster, isn't he?
- SuperSchennBros



The actual answer to those questions, is no, he wouldn't be on the roster, if the Flyers had an actual viable mechanism to remove him.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 6 @ 6:40 PM ET
The actual answer to those questions, is no, he wouldn't be on the roster, if the Flyers had an actual mechanism to remove him.
- MJL

There is no "If" Scenario. He is on the roster. Step into the reality with me, there is plenty of room.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 6:42 PM ET
There is no "If" Scenario. He is on the roster. Step into the reality with me, there is plenty of room.
- SuperSchennBros


It is the reality, which is why they don't or shouldn't have to play him just because he is a live body on the roster. He is only on the roster because they can't remove him without paying a costly price to do so. it is part of the equation. That he can't play anymore is reality!
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 6 @ 6:44 PM ET
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 6:48 PM ET

- Mononoke


Do you have a gif of a time machine that can take us to a season when the Flyers are playing well?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 6 @ 6:55 PM ET
Do you have a gif of a time machine that can take us to a season when the Flyers are playing well?
- MJL


Like 1980? 35 without a loss.... Now those were the days!!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 6 @ 6:58 PM ET
It is the reality, which is why they don't or shouldn't have to play him just because he is a live body on the roster. He is only on the roster because they can't remove him without paying a costly price to do so. it is part of the equation. That he can't play anymore is reality!
- MJL


No. Vinny has played the last 4 games. This is the reality. Regardless of whether or not he played well, he plays Hockey for the Philadelphia Flyers.

Chris Pronger is physically unable to play hockey. There is a difference.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 6 @ 6:59 PM ET
Do you have a gif of a time machine that can take us to a season when the Flyers are playing well?
- MJL


This guy, the Doctor, has one...

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 6 @ 7:38 PM ET
http://highlandparkhockey...s-october-grades.html?m=1

Good scouting report on phantoms one month in. Lots of injuries, lineup shuffling yet their hovering at .500.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 8:03 PM ET
http://highlandparkhockey.blogspot.com/2015/11/lehigh-valley-phantoms-october-grades.html?m=1

Good scouting report on phantoms one month in. Lots of injuries, lineup shuffling yet their hovering at .500.

- Just5


Really good to hear that Straka is off to a strong start.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 6 @ 8:31 PM ET
Really good to hear that Straka is off to a strong start.
- MJL



I thought he looked really solid in his callup last year. intrigued by Martel also
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 6 @ 8:40 PM ET
Sixers may suck too. But man are they much more fun to watch than the flyers
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 8:46 PM ET
Sixers may suck too. But man are they much more fun to watch than the flyers
- Just5


Sixers may suck? That's all they've been for years.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 6 @ 8:55 PM ET
I want this stupid team to remain watchable but another top 10 pick in the draft couldn't hurt. This time hopefully a can't miss forward.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 6 @ 8:56 PM ET
Hexy better have a good plan at the TDL
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