Buffalo doesn't want to trade Reinhart. Flyers will either have to overpay for him or just not get him. Laughton projects as a third liner, Simmonds is a 2nd/3rd liner who excels on the PP. Streit is a 38 year old defenseman who will be gone in less than 2 years. Why would they trade the 2nd overall pick for that combination? They will want something like Couturier+Sanheim+pick
- PhillySportsGuy

I think they'd take Simmonds. He's still a 50 point guy, and he helps them now. Trading for ROR instead of waiting for Reinhart is a strong signal they want to be competitive now, not 2 years from now.

But let's say that it takes Couturier to get it done, and maybe a 2nd tier d prospect.

Simmonds + Couturier + Hagg.

Would you do that?

I think they'd take Simmonds. He's still a 50 point guy, and he helps them now. Trading for ROR instead of waiting for Reinhart is a strong signal they want to be competitive now, not 2 years from now.

But let's say that it takes Couturier to get it done, and maybe a 2nd tier d prospect.

Simmonds + Couturier + Hagg.

Would you do that?
- TheGreat28

Eww no

Enjoyable to watch the players continuously be blamed. Hell, we all know they are playing in roles above where they should be.

I for one, don't buy this no heart, no effort bs.

The upper management of this club is the problem. Being run like a country club by an owner living in the past. Stevens, Berube and our new Varsity boy. The trident of suck.

Management is who assembled this year, has hired it's coaches. Made asinine trades and signed moronic contrats.

(frank) Snider, Holmgren and Varsity.

I think they'd take Simmonds. He's still a 50 point guy, and he helps them now. Trading for ROR instead of waiting for Reinhart is a strong signal they want to be competitive now, not 2 years from now.

But let's say that it takes Couturier to get it done, and maybe a 2nd tier d prospect.

Simmonds + Couturier + Hagg.

Would you do that?
- TheGreat28

Nah. I like Reinhart, but I'd rather just use Simmonds to bring in future assets and see how Hagg develops.

Buffalo doesn't want to trade Reinhart. Flyers will either have to overpay for him or just not get him. Laughton projects as a third liner, Simmonds is a 2nd/3rd liner who excels on the PP. Streit is a 38 year old defenseman who will be gone in less than 2 years. Why would they trade the 2nd overall pick for that combination? They will want something like Couturier+Sanheim+pick
- PhillySportsGuy

very possible. maybe they use him to get better pieces that fit their team better. may not be as talented but a better fit to move them along.

Reinhart is guaranteed to be a 60-70 point NHL center. Just like Brayden Schenn was five years ago.

Eww no
- Streit2ThePoint

Everyone wants a drastic change. That's the kind of move they're going to need to make if they want to get a potential elite player in this lineup. If you don't think Reinhart is the guy, that's fine. But they're not giving up Read and Umberger to get a high-end catalyst who's going to make a real difference for the rest of the roster.

Jake has been bad, don't get me wrong. However it's been pretty comical watching him being forced to dump and chase along with the rest of the crew.

Enjoyable to watch the players continuously be blamed. Hell, we all know they are playing in roles above where they should be.

I for one, don't buy this no heart, no effort bs.

The upper management of this club is the problem. Being run like a country club by an owner living in the past. Stevens, Berube and our new Varsity boy. The trident of suck.

Management is who assembled this year, has hired it's coaches. Made asinine trades and signed moronic contrats.

(frank) Snider, Holmgren and Varsity.
- flyer_nutter

If you don't like the coach you should be mad at Hextall, not Snider.

Reinhart is guaranteed to be a 60-70 point NHL center. Just like Brayden Schenn was five years ago.
- Feanor

Eichel is guaranteed to be a 60-70 point nhl center. Just like Schenn was five years ago.

By your logic you wouldn't trade for him either.

I think the 1st line...and the entire team... is really pressing. And they've lost confidence.

Let me ask you this.

Do you think Giroux is done? Finished as a player. Vinnie'd.

How about Jake? One and half year wonder. Average player, nothing more.

Of course not. They are elite players who are just off right now. You could make the case that Raffl may have had a career year for an average player last year. But not G and Jake.

So it's either they're toast, they're injured, or they're pressing/lacking confidence/off.

I'm feeling good about it being the last option.
- TheGreat28

Agreed, I'm not worried about Giroux and Jake, nor the goalies, it's the rest of the roster that concerns me. Looking at what we have now, and factoring in that we won't likely be a contender before 18-19 at the earliest, here is where I see the players on the current roster fitting in at that point:

?-?-Voracek
?-Giroux-?
?-Couturier?
?-Laughton-?

?-?
MDZ-?
?-Gudas

Mason
?

Lots of holes to fill. I'd hope that Konecny can fill one of the available top 6 forward spots and hopefully another can be filled with their lottery pick in the upcoming draft. On the D side, I'm hoping that some combo of Provorov, Sanheim, Morin, Ghost and Hagg can fill at least 2, if not all 3 of the top 4 spots.

Either way, we are going to be looking at some ugly hockey over the rest of this season and probably much of next.

very possible. maybe they use him to get better pieces that fit their team better. may not be as talented but a better fit to move them along.
- rinaldo

I agree. They didn't have to trade for ROR. They could have waited for Reinhart. There is a level of impatience involved in their moves. Trading Reinhart for the right mix of players to round out the team would be a smart play.

You could definitely argue though that the Flyers don't have the right mix of players for them.

EDIT: Meant to say trading Reinhart, not ROR.

Jake has been bad, don't get me wrong. However it's been pretty comical watching him being forced to dump and chase along with the rest of the crew.
- flyer_nutter

I don't think they're dumping and chasing by design. They're doing it because they're a slow, bad team.

Enjoyable to watch the players continuously be blamed. Hell, we all know they are playing in roles above where they should be.

I for one, don't buy this no heart, no effort bs.

The upper management of this club is the problem. Being run like a country club by an owner living in the past. Stevens, Berube and our new Varsity boy. The trident of suck.

Management is who assembled this year, has hired it's coaches. Made asinine trades and signed moronic contrats.

(frank) Snider, Holmgren and Varsity.
- flyer_nutter

Record: 3-8-4, I suppose this coach is terrible, too, right?

Eichel is guaranteed to be a 60-70 point nhl center. Just like Schenn was five years ago.

By your logic you wouldn't trade for him either.
- TheGreat28

Eichel is on par with that projection... Reinhart not so much

I don't think they're dumping and chasing by design. They're doing it because they're a slow, bad team.
- BulliesPhan87

Yes

I don't think they're dumping and chasing by design. They're doing it because they're a slow, bad team.
- BulliesPhan87

I agree with that when it comes to lines 2, 3 and 4. However Voracek is a very good skater, Raffl is at least slightly above average and Giroux is very good with the puck on his stick. There is no reason that the top line shouldn't be carrying the puck into the attack zone on a more consistent basis unless the coach is specifically telling them not to.

Record: 3-8-4, I suppose this coach is terrible, too, right?
- Scoob

My feeling this coach wasn't brought in for this team. He is here for when the young talent starts to be integrated in. This year was about getting his feet wet and starting to build. At this TDL they could move some pieces and then start shaping the roster better.

Record with Vinny in the lineup: 0-5-1
Record without him: 5-2-2

Eichel is guaranteed to be a 60-70 point nhl center. Just like Schenn was five years ago.

By your logic you wouldn't trade for him either.
- TheGreat28

Eichel is a much better prospect with elite skating ability than Reinhart does not have.

Eichel is on par with that projection... Reinhart not so much
- Trainfellow

Reinhart seems to be struggling, at least in part, because he's not slotted in the right role. That's the main reason I suggested him.

But Feanor's point was really that you don't trade for potential, which he's made before. Just because Schenn didn't live up to the hype doesn't mean that it's always a bad play.

I'm saying that in order to inject an elite player into this lineup they will need to make that level of a move. Yes, it will be a gamble. Yes, it might blow up. But they either do that...

or simply wait it out.

Because they're not trading their junk for someone else's treasure.

Eichel is a much better prospect with elite skating ability than Reinhart does not have.
- Feanor

Good. Then we should be able to get him for Simmonds + Laughton. My original proposal, which was generally deemed not enough to get such an elite player.

I agree with that when it comes to lines 2, 3 and 4. However Voracek is a very good skater, Raffl is at least slightly above average and Giroux is very good with the puck on his stick. There is no reason that the top line shouldn't be carrying the puck into the attack zone on a more consistent basis unless the coach is specifically telling them not to.
- BiggE

I agree. G and V should be better than this, but right now they aren't playing like it a lot of the time. That's on them, and they know it. Not saying they won't ever get it together, or that the poop season is their fault, but they have to play better.

My feeling this coach wasn't brought in for this team. He is here for when the young talent starts to be integrated in. This year was about getting his feet wet and starting to build. At this TDL they could move some pieces and then start shaping the roster better.
- J35Bacher

I agree regarding Hakstol. But it's not his team's record that I posted.

Record with Vinny in the lineup: 0-5-1
Record without him: 5-2-2
- BiggE

Clearly the problem has been identified.