This team is lacking character and a winning attitude. Nice guys on this team, not enough guys with winning attitudes, winning is serious business, does this team look serious to you - who does this team turn to when we need some anger, when we need some determination, when we need some confidence, when we need a play to get momentum on our side - exactly, we don't have that player.

Ottawa is a great group of guys, last season was fun, but hearing 5hem say at game 82 they were tired, they had a long season - do winners sound like that when they are 16 W from a Cup? When the season ended and all we heard was they were ready for a rest, do winners sound like that.

Softest team in the league, nicest team in the league. Easiest team to play against in the NHL. We are a team of 20 Jay Bouwmeesters, no one worries about us when they play us, they don't worry about not scoring, 5hey don't worry about physicality, they only worry about getting points and boosting their personal stats line.
- tuna99

Not sure where you get this 'Ottawa is soft and too nice' mentality. They are the tallest team in the league, and 7th in weight ( by player ). They are top half of the league in hits. Near the top of the league in penalties, and middle of the pack in fighting majors. By any metric I can find, the Sens don't seem to fall into the category of 'too soft'.

They got problems, but being 'too soft' doesn't seem to be the problem.

With this team it is not about the 4th line and 5-7 adman - this team is lacking serious leadership. Who is the player they put out after we get scored on that hits people, gets the puck in deep and reverses momentum. Who is the player that gets the next shot when we are being outplayed.

This team is lacking character and a winning attitude. Nice guys on this team, not enough guys with winning attitudes, winning is serious business, does this team look serious to you - who does this team turn to when we need some anger, when we need some determination, when we need some confidence, when we need a play to get momentum on our side - exactly, we don't have that player.

Ottawa is a great group of guys, last season was fun, but hearing 5hem say at game 82 they were tired, they had a long season - do winners sound like that when they are 16 W from a Cup? When the season ended and all we heard was they were ready for a rest, do winners sound like that.

Softest team in the league, nicest team in the league. Easiest team to play against in the NHL. We are a team of 20 Jay Bouwmeesters, no one worries about us when they play us, they don't worry about not scoring, 5hey don't worry about physicality, they only worry about getting points and boosting their personal stats line.

So many words to say absolutely nothing. Cute buzzwords though.

Not sure where you get this 'Ottawa is soft and too nice' mentality. They are the tallest team in the league, and 7th in weight ( by player ). They are top half of the league in hits. Near the top of the league in penalties, and middle of the pack in fighting majors. By any metric I can find, the Sens don't seem to fall into the category of 'too soft'.

They got problems, but being 'too soft' doesn't seem to be the problem.
- MaxTLimit

Agree exactly with this.

Using Patrick Roy as an example, the guy who doesn't believe in advanced stats, and who's team is currently 27th in the league(and missed the playoffs last year pretty handily) isn't exactly making a point either...

So many words to say absolutely nothing. Cute buzzwords though.
- Mikelly_18

Haha reads like one of those between period interviews, 110%, harder on the puck, play a more solid game, make cleaner plays = play better than the other team.

Hey Clarskon, He's still leading d-men in points....

Not sure where you get this 'Ottawa is soft and too nice' mentality. They are the tallest team in the league, and 7th in weight ( by player ). They are top half of the league in hits. Near the top of the league in penalties, and middle of the pack in fighting majors. By any metric I can find, the Sens don't seem to fall into the category of 'too soft'.

They got problems, but being 'too soft' doesn't seem to be the problem.
- MaxTLimit

Our tallest players - weircohe, Ryan - super soft. Penalties doesn't make you tough, it means you're to slow to keep up and can't get out of your end. Chicago is a super tough team physically and mentality and they take very few penalties.

Size means nothing if you dont use it. Weircohe is huge, I'd take Franky Bullion over him any day.

Ryan is huge, guy can't skate after being on the ice for 30 seconds

With this team it is not about the 4th line and 5-7 adman - this team is lacking serious leadership. Who is the player they put out after we get scored on that hits people, gets the puck in deep and reverses momentum. Who is the player that gets the next shot when we are being outplayed.

This team is lacking character and a winning attitude. Nice guys on this team, not enough guys with winning attitudes, winning is serious business, does this team look serious to you - who does this team turn to when we need some anger, when we need some determination, when we need some confidence, when we need a play to get momentum on our side - exactly, we don't have that player.

Ottawa is a great group of guys, last season was fun, but hearing 5hem say at game 82 they were tired, they had a long season - do winners sound like that when they are 16 W from a Cup? When the season ended and all we heard was they were ready for a rest, do winners sound like that.

Softest team in the league, nicest team in the league. Easiest team to play against in the NHL. We are a team of 20 Jay Bouwmeesters, no one worries about us when they play us, they don't worry about not scoring, 5hey don't worry about physicality, they only worry about getting points and boosting their personal stats line.
- tuna99

So having Chaisson, Michalek, Neil, Prince, Puemple, Lazar, etc shooting blanks every night and having Boro, Cowen, and Wiercioch do their best pylon impression in fine?

Your top guys can only do so much. Even more true when it's painfully obvious who to shut down on this team when the secondary scoring is nonexistent. Stone/Turris/Hoffman have been great this year. Karlsson has been good. Not great, but good. (almost point per game folks).

If your asking the top players to be "mean" you need a reality check. It doesn't happen that way. If your asking the players to play with their heart on their sleeve, then maybe you have an argument, but at the same time, I don't even remember the great leaders of this game playing like it was game 7 of the Cup final on any given night. I do think Karlsson is still learning how to play with the C. He has big shoes to fill.

The only way this team will go far, built the way it is, is with depth. They don't have the star power to alleviate the lack of depth like a Chicago/Anaheim can.

Our tallest players - weircohe, Ryan - super soft. Penalties doesn't make you tough, it means you're to slow to keep up and can't get out of your end. Chicago is a super tough team physically and mentality and they take very few penalties.

Size means nothing if you dont use it. Weircohe is huge, I'd take Franky Bullion over him any day.

Ryan is huge, guy can't skate after being on the ice for 30 seconds
- tuna99

I think your getting "tough" as in mean and "tough" as in hard to play against confused...

Our tallest players - weircohe, Ryan - super soft. Penalties doesn't make you tough, it means you're to slow to keep up and can't get out of your end. Chicago is a super tough team physically and mentality and they take very few penalties.

Size means nothing if you dont use it. Weircohe is huge, I'd take Franky Bullion over him any day.

Ryan is huge, guy can't skate after being on the ice for 30 seconds
- tuna99

The Sens largest forward is Alex Chiasson. He's taller and has a larger frame ( heavier ).
Stone, Zibanejad, and Michalek are also larger.

While Wiercioch is just as tall Cowen outweighs Wiercioch by over 30 pounds. Cowen is tough and plays a hard nosed game, but I don't think you'd find a lot of people saying he's who Ottawa should model their playstyle after.

I still don't see how any of this is problematic. The Sens have enough large strong bodies, and can play a tough game if needed. You know what the biggest difference between Ottawa and Chicago is? Depth of skill. If you look at the pairings Chicago can ice, it becomes clear the Sens haven't matched up. Sens have a quality top pairing. Ceci is a very good 2nd pairing guy. Wiercioch hasn't made the strides anyone had hoped, and the bottom pairing is a disaster.

In my mind, All the Sens really need is a single 2nd pairing LD to play beside Ceci who is solid defensively. If Sens had that, they could keep a bottom pairing of, let's say for argument sake, Cowen and Wideman out for minimal protected minutes, things would be much more solid. Ceci is capable of playing 23+ minutes. The top pairing can play 25+. That leaves a mere 12-13 minutes of protected minutes for the bottom pairing.

I think the Sens have the forwards to get the job done. It isn't easy when they have guys out there for almost 15-16 minutes who can't create a solid break out. Forwards can't score when the puck is trapped along the boards in their own end.

The Sens largest forward is Alex Chiasson. He's taller and has a larger frame ( heavier ).
Stone, Zibanejad, and Michalek are also larger.

While Wiercioch is just as tall Cowen outweighs Wiercioch by over 30 pounds. Cowen is tough and plays a hard nosed game, but I don't think you'd find a lot of people saying he's who Ottawa should model their playstyle after.

I still don't see how any of this is problematic. The Sens have enough large strong bodies, and can play a tough game if needed. You know what the biggest difference between Ottawa and Chicago is? Depth of skill. If you look at the pairings Chicago can ice, it becomes clear the Sens haven't matched up. Sens have a quality top pairing. Ceci is a very good 2nd pairing guy. Wiercioch hasn't made the strides anyone had hoped, and the bottom pairing is a disaster.

In my mind, All the Sens really need is a single 2nd pairing LD to play beside Ceci who is solid defensively. If Sens had that, they could keep a bottom pairing of, let's say for argument sake, Cowen and Wideman out for minimal protected minutes, things would be much more solid. Ceci is capable of playing 23+ minutes. The top pairing can play 25+. That leaves a mere 12-13 minutes of protected minutes for the bottom pairing.

I think the Sens have the forwards to get the job done. It isn't easy when they have guys out there for almost 15-16 minutes who can't create a solid break out. Forwards can't score when the puck is trapped along the boards in their own end.
- MaxTLimit

Not sure why people don't get this. The only attack that is created is when Karlsson and Methot are out there. Other than that it's a crap shoot. Ceci is great, but can't make up for his partners crap play all of the time. Until we have 3 pairings that can move out of the zone cleanly, it will be a long season. All the more reason to give Wideman a serious look.

I think our forward depth could be improved. Its promising to hear Macarthur is "getting better" but we also need the bottom 2 lines helping with contributions.

Chris Phillips would look pretty good on the blue line right now, also who's gonna get ahold of Brian Murray and tell him to give Mike Richards a call.

Chris Phillips would look pretty good on the blue line right now, also who's gonna get ahold of Brian Murray and tell him to give Mike Richards a call.
- JS_19

Mike Ricahrds "car dealer" perhaps?

Chris Phillips would look pretty good on the blue line right now, also who's gonna get ahold of Brian Murray and tell him to give Mike Richards a call.
- JS_19

He's the last guy the Sens need. Literally.

Mike Ricahrds "car dealer" perhaps?
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

It wouldn't hurt to give him a try out in the AHL, he could be had for 550 grand. I love how everyone just takes turns pointing at different players on here, first it was Bobby Ryan then he started racking up points, then it was Mika and he is racking up points, now its EK65. There's a couple D man struggeling and Anderson had one bad game. Sens fans are so anoying do half of you guys even enjoy hockey ?

The Ottawa Talldohs

Zero defensive coverage but holy (frank) are we ever tall

The Ottawa Talldohs

Zero defensive coverage but holy (frank) are we ever tall
- SENS 613

Rumors of Duchene being available and discussions with ottawa, what deal do you see?

To Avs: Mika Zibanejad, Colin Greening, Jared Cowen

To Sens: Matt Duchene

Would you do it?

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Michalek - Pageau - Lazar

not a bad top 9

Rumors of Duchene being available and discussions with ottawa, what deal do you see?

To Avs: Mika Zibanejad, Colin Greening, Jared Cowen

To Sens: Matt Duchene

Would you do it?

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Michalek - Pageau - Lazar

not a bad top 9
- AlfieisKing

this is my nightmare, you trying to trade with the Avs....shoot me already

Rumors of Duchene being available and discussions with ottawa, what deal do you see?

To Avs: Mika Zibanejad, Colin Greening, Jared Cowen

To Sens: Matt Duchene

Would you do it?

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Michalek - Pageau - Lazar

not a bad top 9
- AlfieisKing

In a heartbeat.

Colorado wouldn't though. Greening is an absolute negative.

Cowen is a negative at present, and it's starting to look like he will be for the rest of his career. You could maybe swap him for another player that could turn it around, but that's all.

Zib has value, but is not worth Duchene. Basically we're getting the best player and dumping two poor contracts.

Rumors of Duchene being available and discussions with ottawa, what deal do you see?

To Avs: Mika Zibanejad, Colin Greening, Jared Cowen

To Sens: Matt Duchene

Would you do it?

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Michalek - Pageau - Lazar

not a bad top 9
- AlfieisKing

Yeah giving them two bad players that have no value plus a player who isn't as good as duchene.. great deal for Ottawa though

Yeah giving them two bad players that have no value plus a player who isn't as good as duchene.. great deal for Ottawa though
- ClarksonDavid

Zibanejad's ceiling is on par with Duchene...
Cowen would do well under a change of team...

And Yes the price would have to be higher. It's hard to put together a deal exactly the same.

Zibanejad, Weircioch, + would make more sense

look at what Ottawa had to do in those final 30 games just to make the playoffs. they were life and death for over 2 months. that is absolutely exhausting, not just physically but mentally. any team in that situation would have been suffering from burnout.
- DoubleDown

Plenty of time to recover physically. The mental side granted might take longer.

Zibanejad, Wiercioch, Greening something like this would be it.

Perhaps Lazar instead of Zibanejad.... deal still needs more for Avs, but its close

Plenty of time to recover physically. The mental side granted might take longer.
- kratosmr

exactly

team's young.... defensive structure, coverage in D zone, upgrade on D needed! or someone needs to step the F up outside of Methot, Ceci, and Karlsson. Mind you Karlsson is playing at 75% his ability

Zibanejad, Wiercioch, Greening something like this would be it.

Perhaps Lazar instead of Zibanejad.... deal still needs more for Avs, but its close
- AlfieisKing

Bad deals for Colorado.. Ceci instead of Wiercioch. Also ridiculous to say Zibanejad potential is on par with duchene. Duchene is only two years older and has 4 55 plus point seasons and had 43 in 47 in another..