I don't see Colorado and Ottawa as good trading partners. I think the Avs need better D men who are able to move the puck. The Sens aren't exactly deep in that position. At least in terms of guys they will move. Ceci and Karlsson are not going anywhere. Wideman isn't enough to be an important piece in getting Duchene, and not many teams are salivating at the chance to get Wiercioch on their blueline. Chabot is a possible big piece, but I don't think the Sens would move him either.

I don't see Colorado and Ottawa as good trading partners. I think the Avs need better D men who are able to move the puck. The Sens aren't exactly deep in that position. At least in terms of guys they will move. Ceci and Karlsson are not going anywhere. Wideman isn't enough to be an important piece in getting Duchene, and not many teams are salivating at the chance to get Wiercioch on their blueline. Chabot is a possible big piece, but I don't think the Sens would move him either.
- MaxTLimit

My sentiments exactly, curious why the Avs would talk to the Sens when as you said, the fit just isn't there.

holy negativity batman .....

17 points after 15 games projects to 93 points over 82 games.......

now, for a team that has more potential than what they are currently showing that is pretty good. Once they get their collective crap together they will be in the 5/6/7 slot most realistic people thought they would be in.

they are a young team with some older players (Neil, Phillips) that will be gone next year. That will open up cap space for potential trades/UFA signings.

They have $8M this year (which is comfortable for manoeuvering.... and an additional $3.5 coming off the books next with only Hoffman and Ceci as essential signings. One could assume that Weircioch, Chiasson an possibly Wideman could/should be resigned, but even those guys will come cheap, based on their performance thus far.

Murray, despite his distractors here, has done a great job in putting a young team together this year, as well as leaving cap space for future years.

Assuming that the young guns continue to improve this year (albeit it slower than some here expected), Murray will have the ability to trade for a T4 d-man, or a T-6 fwd, solely due to the cap-space he has.

Most would agree that Ottawa is/was not ready to make a legit run for the cup this year, but Murray has built a team, and the cap space to see a legit cup run in 2-3 years, when the young guns he wants to keep are ready to blossom.

Remember that the likes of Stone and Hoffman are a little older in age, but still very short in HNL experience.

Ya'll need to relax and except, as most with a realistic view have, that this team should make the play-offs in the 5-6-7 slot and may make it to the 2nd round. Any expectations beyond is optimistic/unrealistic and is leading to most of negativity here.

btw, ClarksonDavid ..... I, like Spatso, still think that Karlsson is going to get 100 points this season

he's kind suckin' the hind one right now, but is still projecting for 77 points

it will be bad for colorado that's all sakic has done since becoming GM bad piece after bad piece added.. avs should trade douche for a new GM & coach

Zibanejad, Wiercioch, Greening something like this would be it.

Perhaps Lazar instead of Zibanejad.... deal still needs more for Avs, but its close
- AlfieisKing

Greening has negative value at hte moment though. He will not be included in any trade, at least not in one where ottawa is trying to acquire the superior player.

Bad deals for Colorado.. Ceci instead of Wiercioch. Also ridiculous to say Zibanejad potential is on par with duchene. Duchene is only two years older and has 4 55 plus point seasons and had 43 in 47 in another..
- ClarksonDavid

Matt Duchene (healthy) is a 22-24g , 65-70 points with superb two way play

That is what he is right now.

Mika Zibanejad (broke out last season) is not only 2 years younger, he's bigger, heavier, and has only scratched the surface of his play since last season was not a marathon season for him.

I'll be honest, I haven't seen Duchene play as much as the gents in the west, but if the deal was Zibanejad, Ceci..... that is where imo it's gets too expensive.

Zibanejad can easily put up the same #s as last season and hit close to Duchene's career #s.

Wiercioch + one of Zibanejad or Lazar is very fair in a package deal

My sentiments exactly, curious why the Avs would talk to the Sens when as you said, the fit just isn't there.
- david22

If they came calling and mentioned duchene, it makes me really intrigued. I think Duchene is a huge piece that is being used poorly by Roy at the moment. The match doesn't seem to be there on paper but the avs were interested in Wiercioch last year I believe. Maybe interest is still there. I think Chabot could be used in a deal. Lazar or Zibby would most likely be included as well. Interesting to hear Ottawa and duchene tied together in rumours. Personally I'd try hard to get him but the defensive pieces Colorado probably wants just aren't there most likely when comparing value.

Wiercioch scratched..... might even mean trade is already being put together

Wiercioch scratched..... might even mean trade is already being put together
- AlfieisKing

I like your optimism, but it might also be because he's been playing pretty poorly lately.

If they came calling and mentioned duchene, it makes me really intrigued. I think Duchene is a huge piece that is being used poorly by Roy at the moment. The match doesn't seem to be there on paper but the avs were interested in Wiercioch last year I believe. Maybe interest is still there. I think Chabot could be used in a deal. Lazar or Zibby would most likely be included as well. Interesting to hear Ottawa and duchene tied together in rumours. Personally I'd try hard to get him but the defensive pieces Colorado probably wants just aren't there most likely when comparing value.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Maybe murray can swing another rundblad and a 2nd deal.

My sentiments exactly, curious why the Avs would talk to the Sens when as you said, the fit just isn't there.
- david22

don't think this really has any legs to it now. If this call happened 10 days ago. Well sure they give a call when he was slumping, but since then 4 goals in 5 games. Dont think theres anything to it now.

McKenzies is quoting Dater on this. That guy is a fired Avs Beat writer, he has no clue when it comes to Av Rumours.

don't think this really has any legs to it now. If this call happened 10 days ago. Well sure they give a call when he was slumping, but since then 4 goals in 5 games. Dont think theres anything to it now.

McKenzies is quoting Dater on this. That guy is a fired Avs Beat writer, he has no clue when it comes to Av Rumours
- DDM-Coga

I see your point, however, would you say Mackenzie quoting him adds any validity to it? Would Mackenzie posting this make it any more likely?

I'm asking genuinely.

I see your point, however, would you say Mackenzie quoting him adds any validity to it? Would Mackenzie posting this make it any more likely?

I'm asking genuinely.
- david22

I think Mckenzie quoting Dater actually discredits it more. This is the guy who wrote an article in the Denver Post about the Leafs and avs talking about a Stastny trade after he favourited a tweet from that fake twitter guy HockeyyInsidder.

Even early this year he said Iggy will be gone at the deadline, potentially Montreal. And just today Iggy said he is not waiving his NTC.

I think its throwing Dater a bone as they all seem to be good friends on Twitter, but man does Dater talk a lot of garbage when it comes to Avs Talk.

Granted Duchene could eventually be moved, Hes the 2C in Colorado, but to move him in desperation is just wrong

Col: Matt Duchene

Ott: Zibanejad, Cowen or Weircotch , 2016 2nd


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Can't believe Chris Neil is still a thing.

Col: Matt Duchene

Ott: Zibanejad, Cowen or Weircotch , 2016 2nd


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- Erik6Karlsson5

Ottawa should trade: 2rd pick + cowen
To the blues: for Carl gunarsson + 5 Rd pick

Then

Ottawa should trade: zbad + 3rd pick+ 4rd pick+ greening
To avs: for matt Duchene

Can't believe Chris Neil is still a thing.
- Pecafan Fan

Yeah he's been the slowest guy on the ice tonight.. Even in his limited minutes, Neiler just has to many hard miles on him. On most nights his body won't let him keep up with the rest of the guys. Had a good career and should retire this summer.

Ottawa should trade: 2rd pick + cowen
To the blues: for Carl gunarsson + 5 Rd pick

Then

Ottawa should trade: zbad + 3rd pick+ 4rd pick+ greening
To avs: for matt Duchene
- Hockeyforlife

It would take more than that to get Matty D..

Greening just kills any deal BM is trying to make.

Overall a pretty solid game. Still a bit more shots than a lot of people would be comfortable with, but Hammond seemed solid ( other than that late goal )

Karlsson played a pretty good game. Much better defensive play, and a big factor in a lot of the offensive play.

Gonna come out and say that I'd rather have Boroweicki in the lineup than Cowen. He looks more solid playing his natural side. He deserves some time playing there after tonight. That being said, Cowen ( while not a great game ) played okay in an expanded role tonight. He played over 20 minutes, which is more than I'm comfortable with, but didn't lose coverage as often. Still happens now and then, and still has a lot of trouble with breakouts when under pressure. I hope this is a positive step for him.

Wideman scores again, so does that mean he sits next game?

Turris seems snakebit right now. Was around the net a lot, but doesn't seem to be putting it away.

As Zibanejad gets better Ryan looks like he is in the process of breaking out, if not exploding out already. It's good to see.

I think Hoffman in the lineup slots the lines much better. He was missed while away.

Chiasson really choked on that three on one. He's gonna be seeing that one in his sleep tonight.

Neil needs to be in the press box. If the Sens can get MacArthur back in the lineup at some point you gotta move Neil out and let Prince and Puemple fight it out for a roster spot. Neil just adds nothing to the game anymore, and I couldn't believe he would try to go one on three rather than drop the puck to an open man in the high slot.

I like the effort of Chiasson, Pageau, Lazar, and Michalek. However, they need to start producing a bit more. I was hoping at least 2 of those guys would push past 30 points this year.

Good to get another home win.

Best overall game yet in my opinion. Still room for improvement. I think Ryan is out of his slump and we can ice two real solid lines now. Not sure who should round out the top 6 with Macarthur out, but Lazar seems to be the go to guy. The bottom two lines continue to frustrate me. Chiasson, Michalek, Neil are next to useless right now and Pag, Smith, and Puemple are not consistent enough.

Felt Hammond looked confident overall. Give him a few games. Force some competition in the crease.

Karlsson and Methot were great. Felt Ceci and Wideman looked solid. Cowen and Boro work a little more effectively when not paired with each other. Both seem to have alright games. Cowen handles the puck like a grenade, but he had a great shift in which he blocked several shots and removed a puck out of the crease with his feet when he was without a stick. Maybe stop giving him sticks?

I like the rumours with the Avs. Not sure anything exists there, but worth staying tuned for. Maybe a minor deal is more likely. Either way, when Bob Mackenzie is in on the discussion, you have to think theres some validity. He wouldn't let BS go to air.

If Duchene was on the block to Ottawa - who would you trade Lazar or Zibanejad

If Duchene was on the block to Ottawa - who would you trade Lazar or Zibanejad
- AlfieisKing

Lazar

I thought Zibanejad played a very strong game. He was physical, very physical. Notorious slow starter coming out of camp but he is starting to look strong. I like Matt Duscenes. Colin White leads the scoring for the 8-1 Boston College team. He will be a very good player by as soon as next year. Yes Ottawa has the depth to do a deal.

I thought Zibanejad played a very strong game. He was physical, very physical. Notorious slow starter coming out of camp but he is starting to look strong. I like Matt Duscenes. Colin White leads the scoring for the 8-1 Boston College team. He will be a very good player by as soon as next year. Yes Ottawa has the depth to do a deal.
- spatso

Colin White was hands down the steel of the draft, he would have went top seven if it wasn't for his injury. This guy is gonna be so sick for the Sens.

I don't see lazar or Zibby going anywhere in that trade, possibly Lazar but Murray isn't going to trade our biggest power forward for a undersized second line center. Probably looking at a first round pick and a prospect and someone like 9mm. Murray has too much of a hard on for Lazar and Zibby. I myself would offer our first round pick Nick Paul and 9mm to send some money back.