I wish I was as knowledgeable as you.blow me chief. #14 is overpaid and will be every year under his new contract. 1 great year lets overpay a guy in his contract year. all good Ronnie has a plan.
- rinaldo

Voracek is 11th in the league in scoring since the start of the 12-13 season.

http://www.quanthockey.co...easons-players-stats.html

Like I said, clueless.

explain to me how your going to quantify what they do with this alleged cap space? was some already used for the silly contracts given to jake and shutdown seanie? will some be used to resign schenn?


so just so I am clear, until you see what happens with this "Cap space" savings you cant determine if it was a good deal or not. is that correct?
- rinaldo

Look, I've made no bones about being concerned of a future with Couturier and Laughton as your other two centers behind G. But to call his contract silly, given all of the other things he does exceptionally well is, well, silly.

And 15-16 games in, it's way way too early to judge Voracek's contract.

And one last thing. When you call him Shutdown Seanie, you're really showing so much bias that even those who are not staunch advocates of the guy are completely discounting what you are saying.

Some guys trash you here, but I think you have completely valid points a lot of times. That won't come through calling a very good player sarcastic names.

Obviously not. But in another 30-40 games, if we're not seeing more offense from Couturier then I'm hoping Hextall has a pretty open mind when planning his roster.

Laughton is apparently going to take a 4th line role once PEB comes back, which is curious. That, plus his playing time or lack thereof, are both interesting to me as well.
- TheGreat28

His TOI was 13 minutes last night, which is higher than the previous two games, but (after quickly eyeballing his TOI number) seems right around his average for the year.

Someone made the suggestion of trying out Laughton on LW1, and really, I wouldn't mind seeing that myself.

I'm a huge fan of PEB and I'd have no problem seeing him get a shot on a higher line.

His TOI was 13 minutes last night, which is higher than the previous two games, but (after quickly eyeballing his TOI number) seems right around his average for the year.

Someone made the suggestion of trying out Laughton on LW1, and really, I wouldn't mind seeing that myself.

I'm a huge fan of PEB and I'd have no problem seeing him get a shot on a higher line.
- johndewar

I'm not into ripping Hak yet. But I have to question his approach to the last 7 or 8 minutes of the game. I have long advocated rolling 4 lines. I think it can keep the top 2 lines fresher and also maybe put the 3rd line into some offensive chances.

But man, if you are down 2 goals with 6 or 7 minutes left, you gotta shorten the bench. I'm really not liking my chances rolling Laughton-White-VdV every 4th shift.

Obviously not. But in another 30-40 games, if we're not seeing more offense from Couturier then I'm hoping Hextall has a pretty open mind when planning his roster.

Laughton is apparently going to take a 4th line role once PEB comes back, which is curious. That, plus his playing time or lack thereof, are both interesting to me as well.
- TheGreat28

Hextall just extended Couturier to a long term deal, so I think that tells you what he thinks of him. I think it remains to be seen where Laughton plays long term.

Look, I've made no bones about being concerned of a future with Couturier and Laughton as your other two centers behind G. But to call his contract silly, given all of the other things he does exceptionally well is, well, silly.

And 15-16 games in, it's way way too early to judge Voracek's contract.

And one last thing. When you call him Shutdown Seanie, you're really showing so much bias that even those who are not staunch advocates of the guy are completely discounting what you are saying.

Some guys trash you here, but I think you have completely valid points a lot of times. That won't come through calling a very good player sarcastic names.
- TheGreat28

what are all the things he does exceptionally well? he is a good nhl player. that's it. oh he starts off on the d zone x amount of time, his wingers are bad. if he was so good why cant he elevate his wingers. one good series vs malkin years ago and the legend was born I guess.

I have no bias as I like him for his role. just way overhyped by flyers phans and now overpaid starting next year.

its a message board people can trash all they want. makes my day go by quicker.

Hextall just extended Couturier to a long term deal, so I think that tells you what he thinks of him. I think it remains to be seen where Laughton plays long term.
- MJL

a deal that wasn't that pressing to make imo. he jumped the gun.

I'm not into ripping Hak yet. But I have to question his approach to the last 7 or 8 minutes of the game. I have long advocated rolling 4 lines. I think it can keep the top 2 lines fresher and also maybe put the 3rd line into some offensive chances.

But man, if you are down 2 goals with 6 or 7 minutes left, you gotta shorten the bench. I'm really not liking my chances rolling Laughton-White-VdV every 4th shift.
- TheGreat28

Here is one thing about Hakstol. If your line is playing the best and is the most effective, your line is going to see the most icetime. He doesn't care what your name is, or how much you're getting paid.

answer my question. so if those 2 cant produce hartnell cant correct?
- rinaldo

Both of then handily outscored Hartnell over the last 3+ seasons.

answer my question. so if those 2 cant produce hartnell cant correct?

do you know everyone here? I bet I can find at least one who will.
- rinaldo

WTF

WTF

- landros 2

Here is one thing about Hakstol. If your line is playing the best and is the most effective, your line is going to see the most icetime. He doesn't care what your name is, or how much you're getting paid.
- MJL

Thats easy when you just got here and you have a long term contract.....wish it was always like that.

Thats easy when you just got here and you have a long term contract.....wish it was always like that.
- landros 2

It remains to be seen how he coaches long term.

One in the same. The only variable left in the deal that the Flyers still control, is what is done with the cap space saved, when Umberger's deal it expires.

Lots of things change in the NHL trade environment that are not in the Flyers control, such as who has interest, injuries, cap space and growth, etc. Some fool GM decides to overpay for Hartnell due to being in a desparate situation, in a deal that wasn't made available to the Flyers when they had Hartnell, is not a factor in determining how good in the end the deal the Flyers made was.
- MJL

Agree with BulliesPhan on this one. You are completely ignoring what the Flyers may be able to get for Hartnell today if they hadn't traded him. They tried to play it off like he was a sacrifice for the "no penalties/skate hard" style of play they wanted to change to, but they really didnt need to trade him what they did. Hextall made a calculated move that as of now looks like it couldve been better. Literally the only solace is that Umberger is off the books quicker. Who is to say we couldn't have gotten a more effective player or someone on a smaller cap hit? I don't think Columbus paid much at all for someone they already planned on buying out.

Both of then handily outscored Hartnell over the last 3+ seasons.
- Feanor

do you have a comprehension issue? you didn't answer my question. Simmonds has not handily outscored him either.

Hextall just extended Couturier to a long term deal, so I think that tells you what he thinks of him. I think it remains to be seen where Laughton plays long term.
- MJL

agree....Couturier has been in and out of line up this year...hopefully Hextall's correct...Laughton is being brought along slowly and has a limited role at this point....Hopefully there's more there.

a deal that wasn't that pressing to make imo. he jumped the gun.
- rinaldo

dude, we know how you feel about Couturier...

That deal is already fair and it has the potential to be downright amazing

It remains to be seen how he coaches long term.
- MJL

and yes the sky is blue.

Agree with BulliesPhan on this one. You are completely ignoring what the Flyers may be able to get for Hartnell today if they hadn't traded him. They tried to play it off like he was a sacrifice for the "no penalties/skate hard" style of play they wanted to change to, but they really didnt need to trade him what they did. Hextall made a calculated move that as of now looks like it couldve been better. Literally the only solace is that Umberger is off the books quicker. Who is to say we couldn't have gotten a more effective player or someone on a smaller cap hit? I don't think Columbus paid much at all for someone they already planned on buying out.
- YuenglingJagr

We also can't assume that no other trade was available at the time. For all we know, the fool GM who made a desperate trade was Hextall, after looking at the contract term.

I respect the other position on this, and I'm not agonizing or losing sleep over this, so I'm just gonna leave it as an "agree to disagree" type jawn.

dude, we know how you feel about Couturier...

That deal is already fair and it has the potential to be downright amazing
- YuenglingJagr

dude, you don't know how I feel. besides you sound like Karen hill when you say that.

you think it is fair, I don't. also has the potential to be downright bad.

Agree with BulliesPhan on this one. You are completely ignoring what the Flyers may be able to get for Hartnell today if they hadn't traded him. They tried to play it off like he was a sacrifice for the "no penalties/skate hard" style of play they wanted to change to, but they really didnt need to trade him what they did. Hextall made a calculated move that as of now looks like it couldve been better. Literally the only solace is that Umberger is off the books quicker. Who is to say we couldn't have gotten a more effective player or someone on a smaller cap hit? I don't think Columbus paid much at all for someone they already planned on buying out.
- YuenglingJagr

as well Hartnell was a team leader and fantastic with the younger guys....That is important. They traded a guy that was very well liked. I get the premis of the trade but didn't like it at all and still don't.

Agree with BulliesPhan on this one. You are completely ignoring what the Flyers may be able to get for Hartnell today if they hadn't traded him. They tried to play it off like he was a sacrifice for the "no penalties/skate hard" style of play they wanted to change to, but they really didnt need to trade him what they did. Hextall made a calculated move that as of now looks like it couldve been better. Literally the only solace is that Umberger is off the books quicker. Who is to say we couldn't have gotten a more effective player or someone on a smaller cap hit? I don't think Columbus paid much at all for someone they already planned on buying out.
- YuenglingJagr

Why would I include what the Flyers may be able to get for Hartnell today, when one, the Flyers don't have Hartnell to trade today, and second, we don't know what they could get for him. That makes all of that completely irrelevant in determining the outcome of the trade.

Explain to me definitively how it could've been better? I'm not dealing in a hypothetical here, I'm dealing with what actually did happen, and looking at what the Flyers will do when Umberger's deal ends.

dude, you don't know how I feel. besides you sound like Karen hill when you say that.

you think it is fair, I don't. also has the potential to be downright bad.
- rinaldo

We are all abundantly aware of how you feel, both about Couturier's deal and fellatio.

Why would I include what the Flyers may be able to get for Hartnell today, when one, the Flyers don't have Hartnell to trade today, and second, we don't know what they could get for him. That makes all of that completely irrelevant in determining the outcome of the trade.

Explain to me definitively how it could've been better? I'm not dealing in a hypothetical here, I'm dealing with what actually did happen, and looking at what the Flyers will do when Umberger's deal ends.
- MJL

what if the flyers do nothing as they feel they are not ready to contend and make a splash in free agency?

Why would I include what the Flyers may be able to get for Hartnell today, when one, the Flyers don't have Hartnell to trade today, and second, we don't know what they could get for him. That makes all of that completely irrelevant in determining the outcome of the trade.

Explain to me definitively how it could've been better? I'm not dealing in a hypothetical here, I'm dealing with what actually did happen, and looking at what the Flyers will do when Umberger's deal ends.
- MJL

bet the Leafs could get more then Luke Schenn for JVR too....just sayin.