welp overall a pretty meh game

It's funny because before there were challenges, fans were saying they wished there was a challenge option when things like this happened. Now that there is one, fans are saying they wished there wasn't because it's messing up the game.

Moral of the story....fans are fickle beings.
- HonkFortheGoose

Yet so "long" ago, review failed Sabres fans even....

(frank) Challenges....stupidest (frank)in poop

"well the NFL does it...and they make like a bagillion dollars?...so it must translate to other sports!"

welp overall a pretty meh game
- Sabresfan-365

All the O'Reilly goal did was delay my catching up on The Flash by about 15 minutes...grrr

I figure at some point this call will go in our favour
- Sabresfan-365

One would hope. I'm actually shocked it's gone against the Sabres so many times. I didn't think the linesman missed offside calls so often. Then again, we may be seeing the side effect of replay where officials let really close plays go that they otherwise wouldn't because they know the replay will cover them.

It's basically the same thing we see in the NFL where the officials call almost everything a fumble even when all creation knows the ball carriers was down before the ball came lose because replay will allow them to fix it.

I really hope this isn't what's happening.

It's funny because before there were challenges, fans were saying they wished there was a challenge option when things like this happened. Now that there is one, fans are saying they wished there wasn't because it's messing up the game.

Moral of the story....fans are fickle beings.
- HonkFortheGoose

Idk, i havent really ever heard one hockey fan wishing there was some challenge implemented. Maybe im out to lunch though..

Good, great, the right call was made, and sooner or later it will benefit the sabres. My issue is a play will never be challenged unless a goal is scored. It isnt like football where you may challenge for a first down, or even just a 7 yard catch as we have seen with rex ryan. In baseball it could be for something as simple as getting a guy on base.

I am not sure if there is a time limit on how far back you can challenge an offside? I am waiting for the minute long zone pressure with multiple failed zone exits leading to a goal being overturned due to a missed offside. That will really flip my lid.

The thing is, it was blatantly offside, to me at least.
- ImThatGuy

How is 6", at that pace, blatantly offside?

To me it's comical that offsides is going to be scrutinized to that degree.

If that's how the league wants to play it then every single goal should automatically be reviewed for zone entry, whether it was 5 sec or 2 minutes prior.....because you know some teams will benefit from this rule and others not so much.

This time it potentially cost us the game.

So offsides can be reviewed even if it's 2 minutes before the goal and off by an inch. But if a puck hits the netting prior to a goal and the official doesn't see it, goal counts. If someone knocks a puck down with a high stick prior to a goal, it counts.

Refs can't be perfect with all these aspects. But the league insists on perfecting this one thing. Kills momentum. Reduces goals. It's just dumb.

How is 6", at that pace, blatantly offside?

To me it's comical that offsides is going to be scrutinized to that degree.

If that's how the league wants to play it then every single goal should automatically be reviewed for zone entry, whether it was 5 sec or 2 minutes prior.....because you know some teams will benefit from this rule and others not so much.

This time it potentially cost us the game.
- nikel

Because being that much offsides, at that pace is called correctly all the time. The ref has to have that one. It wasnt like the one against ottawa i believe that was literally one frame offsides.

Idk, i havent really ever heard one hockey fan wishing there was some challenge implemented. Maybe im out to lunch though..

Good, great, the right call was made, and sooner or later it will benefit the sabres. My issue is a play will never be challenged unless a goal is scored. It isnt like football where you may challenge for a first down, or even just a 7 yard catch as we have seen with rex ryan. In baseball it could be for something as simple as getting a guy on base.

I am not sure if there is a time limit on how far back you can challenge an offside? I am waiting for the minute long zone pressure with multiple failed zone exits leading to a goal being overturned due to a missed offside. That will really flip my lid.
- ieetbred

A team like Mtl probably complained. Some team with clout. I've never heard of a fan uprising about missed offsides

Idk, i havent really ever heard one hockey fan wishing there was some challenge implemented. Maybe im out to lunch though..

Good, great, the right call was made, and sooner or later it will benefit the sabres. My issue is a play will never be challenged unless a goal is scored. It isnt like football where you may challenge for a first down, or even just a 7 yard catch as we have seen with rex ryan. In baseball it could be for something as simple as getting a guy on base.

I am not sure if there is a time limit on how far back you can challenge an offside? I am waiting for the minute long zone pressure with multiple failed zone exits leading to a goal being overturned due to a missed offside. That will really flip my lid.
- ieetbred

I think the first goal we had disallowed during the Ottawa game was sort of like that. They had to go back quite a bit to even see where the inital zone entry took place. I've heard fans say that they wished there was a way to challenge plays before. But the reasoning was for much more blantant plays. Either way, I read something last week that said there had been like 32 challenges through the season with 11 goals of the 32 challenged disallowed. So that's 33%. Not exactly staggering numbers.

Because being that much offsides, at that pace is called correctly all the time. The ref has to have that one. It wasnt like the one against ottawa i believe that was literally one frame offsides.
- ieetbred

No worse than a ref missing a high sticking call. But those aren't reviewed. It's a fast game. To single out one thing is asinine

A team like Mtl probably complained. Some team with clout. I've never heard of a fan uprising about missed offsides
- Khymlev13

Nowhere did I say it was a fan uprising, but there have been complaints before. Why does everyone on this board blow things so out of proportion?

It's funny because before there were challenges, fans were saying they wished there was a challenge option when things like this happened. Now that there is one, fans are saying they wished there wasn't because it's messing up the game.

Moral of the story....fans are fickle beings.
- HonkFortheGoose

A challenge should be for an obvious missed call by the refs, not for when a goal is scored and the other team then goes fishing to see if there's a chance it could be overturned, that's what coaches are doing now. If you don't believe me, check the tape, Lindy is talking to his assistant and shrugs, like he's saying "it's worth a shot".

I think the first goal we had disallowed during the Ottawa game was sort of like that. They had to go back quite a bit to even see where the inital zone entry took place. I've heard fans say that they wished there was a way to challenge plays before. But the reasoning was for much more blantant plays. Either way, I read something last week that said there had been like 32 challenges through the season with 11 goals of the 32 challenged disallowed. So that's 33%. Not exactly staggering numbers.
- HonkFortheGoose

Offside challenges should be a 2 minute penalty if coach is wrong. This will help eliminate the close ones like the opener.

Nowhere did I say it was a fan uprising, but there have been complaints before. Why does everyone on this board blow things so out of proportion?
- HonkFortheGoose

I wasn't replying to your post. Just saying it never seemed to be an issue and then the league implements the challenges

No fat-marsh bragging about his team, "Dutch", "Landy", Grigorenko, etc as Canada's Team put a nickel up against them tonight.

A challenge should be for an obvious missed call by the refs, not for when a goal is scored and the other team then goes fishing to see if there's a chance it could be overturned, that's what coaches are doing now. If you don't believe me, check the tape, Lindy is talking to his assistant and shrugs, like he's saying "it's worth a shot".
- nikel

Failed challenge = a longer timeout than what a normal timeout would be. And 2 goals in 50 seconds would be a time to call a timeout anyway

Offside challenges should be a 2 minute penalty if coach is wrong. This will help eliminate the close ones like the opener.
- Khymlev13

It's definitely not a perfect system. And I agree. I've heard of coaches using the challenge basically just to get a longer time out. They clearly know it's not going to be overturned, but they'll get more than a 30 second time out to calm the troops. Some sort of penalty other than losing your time out is probably a good option.

Part of why we hate it, is because we've had 3 challenges against us, and all 3 didn't go our way. Then add on top of that, that the 1 time our coaches used it, it didn't go our way then either.

Challenges and replays aren't perfect in any sport. The Bills game the other night is the perfect example of that.

Now we just need to hunt Ennis down and tell him the next time he does that, one of us will murder him. That ought to get the message through.

Why the replay is awful


deep breath.....


This is NOT because it seems to screw Buffalo exclusively.



It's stupid because the ref can make a bad call and say you were off sides and you weren't, and that's it. His ruling is final. The momentum is stolen from you. So why is his decision on it NOT being offside not final?


I don't want to see it. I don't want legit goal celebrations to have to be put on hold. I don't want to be watching a great playoff game(or god forbid cup game) and have the complete shutdown of momentum so we can split hairs over what were already paying linesmen to be right (frank)ing there for. I don't want this to become a strategy to steal momentum and get a long ass time out. And what if you go in off sides, it's not called, but time experiences on the clock and the game ends, can the other coach challenge it just to get the minute back?


This is a nasty slippery slope. Hockey didn't need this. Thanks Gary.

edit: They need to abolish that rule in season. What hockey fan ever had their team get scored and on go "Oh but they were offsides 47 seconds ago. I saw it."

Because being that much offsides, at that pace is called correctly all the time. The ref has to have that one. It wasnt like the one against ottawa i believe that was literally one frame offsides.
- ieetbred

I disagree.

I'd be willing to bet that call is missed way more often than its made. The ref was 4' away staring directly at the play. You should also notice none of the Dallas players acting like offsides should have been called, often times you'll see a players hand up in the air after an obvious missed call.

I think the first goal we had disallowed during the Ottawa game was sort of like that. They had to go back quite a bit to even see where the inital zone entry took place. I've heard fans say that they wished there was a way to challenge plays before. But the reasoning was for much more blantant plays. Either way, I read something last week that said there had been like 32 challenges through the season with 11 goals of the 32 challenged disallowed. So that's 33%. Not exactly staggering numbers.
- HonkFortheGoose

I just dont like it. I may just be a jaded buffalo fan, since as someone so eloquently brought up review failed us in the most critical time some 17 years ago.

It is a flawed system. When offsides can be challenged but they cant figure out a way to chip the puck and put a sensor across the goal line to determine if a puck that cant be seen went into the net or not..(see st louis blues game from the other night) its frustrating. I dont mind human error being a part of the game and if you cant eradicate it completely you end up looking stupid doing it half ass.

I just dont like it. I may just be a jaded buffalo fan, since as someone so eloquently brought up review failed us in the most critical time some 17 years ago.

It is a flawed system. When offsides can be challenged but they cant figure out a way to chip the puck and put a sensor across the goal line to determine if a puck that cant be seen went into the net or not..(see st louis blues game from the other night) its frustrating. I dont mind human error being a part of the game and if you cant eradicate it completely you end up looking stupid doing it half ass.
- ieetbred

I'm not disagreeing with this. I'm not a fan of it either. It especially sucks because in 2 of the 3 games, the disallowed goal was a game tying goal fairly late in the 3rd period of the game and completely sucked the wind out of our sails.

I think it needs a lot of work. I'm not sure why every other rule change gets tested in the AHL first, but this one didn't. It could have really used a trial run before being implemented, that's for sure.

I disagree.

I'd be willing to bet that call is missed way more often than its made. The ref was 4' away staring directly at the play. You should also notice none of the Dallas players acting like offsides should have been called, often times you'll see a players hand up in the air after an obvious missed call.
- nikel

Whoever was coming out of the box pointed his stick at the blue line his entire skate out of the box

I disagree.

I'd be willing to bet that call is missed way more often than its made. The ref was 4' away staring directly at the play. You should also notice none of the Dallas players acting like offsides should have been called, often times you'll see a players hand up in the air after an obvious missed call.
- nikel

I wouldnt have said it was blatant, but it was pretty bad. I thought it was suspect from the tv. I have watched enough hockey in my life and questioned enough offsides calls only to see the immediate replay and realize they made the right call.

I dont know, it just burns a little when we havent had one go our way yet, defenitely contributes to the overall disdain. I just dont need replay in sports either im not one of those people so make of it what you will.