THIS!

- BiggE

Andreas Nodl was better at hockey than John LeCalir because he was faster than LeClair. Or something.

What I am trying to point at is to be a hard working team, everyone must skate their ass off and forecheck, speed on this team and hustle has been an issue for a few years now. Nobody should be taking a shift off, He just signed a new deal and he should be one of the hardest working players. I have focused a bit more attention to him last few games and his commitment to skating away from the puck or in open ice is concerning. That is what im saying. It was made known his issue coming up was his skating, that has not changed.

I think I understand the type of play he's referring to. Couts doesn't have great open ice speed when play becomes a track meet.

He is a guy who does make up for skating deficiencies with good passing and good instincts.

Actually, I liked how Couturier played last night.
- johndewar

While he is certainly not a speedster, nor is he an explosive skater by any means, I think his skating is fine. I think Couturier's skating issues are, and have always been drastically overblown in my opinion. If he was such a deficient skater, he wouldn't be able to do many of the things he does on the ice.

Really? you may want to see an optometrist...when hes away from the puck he is gliding most of the time...with the puck around the net he looks to be thinking more then skating...I was never one to complain about him, but this year hes doing the same. Very inconsistent skating
- Buzzo

Yea, that's what it is, my eyesight. What I saw was a player, along with his linemates play against one of the top lines in all hockey last night, which includes a plus skater like Jeff Carter, and hold them in check, and more than hold their own in shot differential. Not bad for just thinking and gliding around out there.

What I am trying to point at is to be a hard working team, everyone must skate their ass off and forecheck, speed on this team and hustle has been an issue for a few years now. Nobody should be taking a shift off, He just signed a new deal and he should be one of the hardest working players. I have focused a bit more attention to him last few games and his commitment to skating away from the puck or in open ice is concerning. That is what im saying. It was made known his issue coming up was his skating, that has not changed.
- Buzzo

You can't be skating all out every second on the ice. The best defensive centers in the league make sure to stay in responsible positioning should there be a turnover or when the other team has the puck. That's exactly what Couts does most of the time. To me, his skating issues are around his lack of a quick first step. There are times he strips a puck from someone or gets open but the D Man is on his back as he can't create separation with his first step. This leads to a less accurate or blocked shot. I don't buy the skating away from the puck issue at all.

What I am trying to point at is to be a hard working team, everyone must skate their ass off and forecheck, speed on this team and hustle has been an issue for a few years now. Nobody should be taking a shift off, He just signed a new deal and he should be one of the hardest working players. I have focused a bit more attention to him last few games and his commitment to skating away from the puck or in open ice is concerning. That is what im saying. It was made known his issue coming up was his skating, that has not changed.
- Buzzo

You're seeing a completely different player than I am. Perhaps it's an issue of confirmation bias.

What I am trying to point at is to be a hard working team, everyone must skate their ass off and forecheck, speed on this team and hustle has been an issue for a few years now. Nobody should be taking a shift off, He just signed a new deal and he should be one of the hardest working players. I have focused a bit more attention to him last few games and his commitment to skating away from the puck or in open ice is concerning. That is what im saying. It was made known his issue coming up was his skating, that has not changed.
- Buzzo

His stride is much different than a lot of players...I think he just looks slower than he actually is

His stride is much different than a lot of players...I think he just looks slower than he actually is
- YuenglingJagr

That could be.

I don't think any of this is a problem. His instincts, positioning, etc. are all pretty good.

https://streamable.com/5edi

I don't know what's slower, Vinny's skating or Hakstol's willingness to make adjustments. The top line looked much improved but regardless of who replaces Raffl, Schenn or another player, we're past the month and half mark, with G's wingers only having a goal each. Getting Raffl off the first PP unit took forever. Seeing too much of Manning was a frustrating time. I still think we're seeing too much of Del Zotto but only now it's forced circumstances due to injury.

For the most part, in the last 10 games we haven't look prepared. Last night was one of our better games but we really should have lost Saturday.

I have to tell you guys, I'm not impressed with the Coaching but the hunger of a Tyler Leier and a missed element that Ghost is now bringing, they give most of us a reason to tune in.

https://streamable.com/5edi


- YuenglingJagr

I know it would have been overturned anyway, but I didn't think it was kicked in. Also, does the fact that it deflects off of Quick's glove matter? If not, at what point in a goal scoring sequence does a goal no longer get determined by a kick?

I think people focus way too much on individual's skating, and not nearly enough on the team's generally inaccurate passing. Guys like Read, Voracek, Bellemare and Raffl are better skaters than Couturier, but it hasn't helped them score many points this season.
- Feanor

Not defending Vinny but this is the case and point with that. Yes, he's done, I admit. With this said, outside of his skating, I don't think he's a standout in a bad way, on a crappy team.

https://streamable.com/5edi


- YuenglingJagr

Honestly, I was fine with that call.

Whose goal would it have been if it bounced in off the post instead of back into the crease?

Honestly, I was fine with that call.
- Feanor

I don't get it.

Clear kick to me. He jolts his foot forward guys

I know it would have been overturned anyway, but I didn't think it was kicked in. Also, does the fact that it deflects off of Quick's glove matter? If not, at what point in a goal scoring sequence does a goal no longer get determined by a kick?
- jmatchett383

I felt like it should have, but Al Morganti (between periods) went out of his way to say that the deflection off the glove doesn't matter. I think it should matter, because, if Quick didn't knock it in the net (and he clearly did), it could have gone wide.

If not, at what point in a goal scoring sequence does a goal no longer get determined by a kick?
- jmatchett383

Great question.

Great question.
- johndewar

When another shot is attempted.

how about the Kings second goal?

that pucked bounced everywhere before going to Lucic's stick

I don't get it.

Clear kick to me. He jolts his foot forward guys
- Giroux_Is_God

I thought so too, even if he is falling down backwards, his leg extends and his foot propels the puck

that's a kick

I know it would have been overturned anyway, but I didn't think it was kicked in. Also, does the fact that it deflects off of Quick's glove matter? If not, at what point in a goal scoring sequence does a goal no longer get determined by a kick?
- jmatchett383

I thought it was clearly kicked in. Could have guessed the flyers would react like babies the way they did due to the fact their hardly putting pucks in the net.

how about the Kings second goal?

that pucked bounced everywhere before going to Lucic's stick
- Marc D

I just laughed. Only the Flyers.

Seriously, I'm pretty sure it bounced off a stick, a shin pad, an arm, then a stomach.

how about the Kings second goal?

that pucked bounced everywhere before going to Lucic's stick
- Marc D

The only thing that would've irritated me more than that jackwagon Lucic scoring a huge goal would've been a Carter hat trick.

I thought so too, even if he is falling down backwards, his leg extends and his foot propels the puck

that's a kick
- Marc D

It's so obvious. It's a deliberate attempt. He picks his heel up and thrusts (albeit inconspicuously) toward the puck. It's so obvious. He was even looking at the puck if I remember correctly. That was so calculated

how about the Kings second goal?

that pucked bounced everywhere before going to Lucic's stick
- Marc D

I'm sure someone on twitter blamed Mase for it anyway.

We have our disagreements in here, but when you see some of the completely ridiculous replies Bill gets on his twitter posts you realize HockeyBuzz is a pretty good place to talk Flyers hockey.

I'm sure someone on twitter blamed Mase for it anyway.


- Feanor

Like Milbury? Wait, is Milbury smart enough to figure out twitter?

The only thing that would've irritated me more than that jackwagon Lucic scoring a huge goal would've been a Carter hat trick.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I was trying to come up with a name last night to describe my dislike for Lucic that wasn't a curse word. I'm stealing this, thanks!